Failure of Military-Industrial Complex: Won WW II Against Two Advanced Military Powers in 4 Years But Can't Defeat Taliban in 8!

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The military/industrial complex designs its weaponry and tactics to fight "conventional" wars in which army is pitted against army. No country ever won a "war" against rebels and insurgents of another country, the military/industrial complex is not geared for assymetrical war. In Afghanistan, even the population is against this "war" and profoundly resents the presence of US and other foreign troops, which makes things even more difficult for said troops. What has been going on in Afghanistan is hardly a war, it is a violent and destructive occupation against the Afghan people's will.

The US seems not to have learnt the lessons of Korea and Viet Nam.

Furthermore, the purpose of the military/industrial complex is NOT to win wars, it is to make obscene amounts of money for defense contractors. It is not in the military/industrial complex' interests to win wars, it is in its interests to make "wars" last as long as possible, and even indefinitely if possible. It cares not about civilian victims nor about military deaths and maimed. It is pure greed and evil.

It's big business , big $ , plain and simple , they know damned good and well that it's useless and a no win situation . Nation building never worked before and never will work . Like Greenwald said : 100,000 troops at a million dollars a troop per year to kill 100 Taliban ? The only loyalty we have in Afghanistan is from those we are paying off and buying  . Ahhhh yes , America the beautiful ! Man , this is change we can believe in isn't it ?

Obama got the same word that bush did during 9/11, namely that he's not the Man, and if he wants to go on living he'll go along with the program.

Sounds crazy, but at the same time, it explains the present situation.

The MIC realized it's more profitable to keep wars going

(perpetual wars) than to win them and kill the cash

cow. Clever work MIC!!!!

Mark,  you wrote, "Everyone in America wants to be protected from terrorism."  Well, I want an open society and I don't want to be protected from terorrism.  I'll explain.  In an open society, people know and trust one another and anyone who threatens hostile acts are quickly indentified by everyone else and reported to trusted authorities.  In a closed society, like the one we live in, people don't even talk to their next door neighbors and terrorists can live amongst us since we are all afraid of being falsely reported by our unfriendly neighbors.

It's long long past due to investigate the criminal acts of 9/11 and throw George W Bush and "Dick" Cheney in jail to await their just rewards.  No one, I mean no one should be above the law.  If these crimes against all Americans are left unprosecuted (as were Hitler's burning down of the Reichstag in 1933), we will all pay the horrible price of living in the blatantly corrupt society that results from corrupt men and women ruling at their whim our great country rather than living under the rule of law respected and honored by one and all - especially those at the top of the pyramid of power.

p.s. The Transit Police "don't work hard to keep me safe" contrary to what the Public Address Announcer claims at the subway station.  These men and women with their riot gear, taser guns and assault rifles scare the living daylight out of me.  I've seen on YouTube too many innocent people murdered by trigger happy law enforcement thugs to honestly believe that it is "hard work" to beat the living daylight out of detainees.  I guess it would be politically incorrect for the Public Address Announcer to say, "The Transit Police love their job, just give them the excuse they need so they can beat the daylight out of you, too.  Have a lovely day!"

The Pentagon is out of control and William Gates is not the guy to rein it in. In fact we may be passed the point were reining in Pentagon excess is possible.

As a Marine Corps vet buddy of mine is fond of relating: "When I got out of Vietnam my sergeant said, 'Boys, if your going to make a career of this (the Marines), whenever the politicians in Washington end it, be sure to tattoo your rating on your shoulder. 'Cause you're gonna have it for a long time.'"

The sorry fact of the matter is among the uniformed military war is the fastest and surest method for promotion both in rank and pay. And as we now have a large, standing All Volunteer Force, i.e. professional military, there is no disincentive for the uniformed military to stop waging war.

ET Spoon

Since the time of Eisenhower’s warning about the military-industrial complex our society is now controlled by the Military-Industrial-Educational complex.  With ROTC being required by law in all colleges and universities in 1996, with select schools forming Departments of Military Sciences and host military bases, with Bush and Obama's education program promoting militarization of high schools, with the Department of Defense "Starbase" program for grade schools our educational system has become militarized.  See http://www.nonviolentworm.org/NonviolentActions/TheMilitarizationOfCatholicJesuitUniversityEducation for one part of this process: The Militarization of Catholic Jesuit University Education.

The question should now be who to vote for or how to protest but how can we take nonviolent action to root this militarization out of our society.  As Pogo says' "We have found the enemy, it is us."  Stopping the militarization of our education may be a good place to start.  If we cannot even stop "reflexive killing" from being taught at a Catholic Jesuit University how can we ever stop the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan or the endless wars to come.

Bob Graf

Eisenhower's real warning was of the military/industrial/congressional complex. Verified by his daughter. The invasion of Afghanistan was planned months before 9-11. We went in for the oil pipeline. We stay for the oil. And in the meantime Halliburton and the other defense contractors make billions to trillions. In both Iraw and Afghanistan, we have done everything we could to make the countries unstable so we would have an excuse to stay. The military depend on the instability so they can do what they were trained for - war. The Blackwater people number around 150,000? They get paid thousands of dollars a week to blow people up, rape, torture, and kill as they please with no chance of retribution from anyone. They have a very heavy stack in keeping the entire Middle East in a mess to keep that money rolling in. Then there was evidence the herione traffic in Afghanistan funded our governments black ops projects. Too many people have too much at stack with these wars continuing and expanding. We are not their for the people of Iraq or Afghanistan. Karzai is a Bush/US Oil stooge. So many millionaires will come out of this. And we the people keep getting the bill.

We need a third party for the people. And I don't understand why the republican party is still a viable party. They should have gone in the dust bin decades ago.

Face it, we were fooled into electing George W Bush II.  Nothing has changed.  The military-industrial complex is making billions now and the generals will be cashing in shortly.  As long as we make these idiotic wars extremely profitable, they will continue in perpetuity.

If we took profit out of the mix and passed a law forbidding high ranking military officers from working in the defense industry for at least five years after they left the military, our solders would be home in 3 to 6 months.  The generals are scratching the backs of their future employers and their future employers are now flush with cash and laughing all the way to the bank.

jlouisecarl

If anyone still thinks that Republicans are better than Demorats at either winning wars or protecting America, then they must be living in an alternative universe.  From the Great Depression through World War II, Vietnam, the multiple recessions since then (especially our current one), 9-11, the drowning of and failed reconstruction of New Orleans, the insane invasion of Iraq, and the failure to actually seek out and distroy the perpetraters of 9-11, leading to the current mess in Afganistan, the Republicans were in charge every time.  In my view, Eisenhower was the last Republican that was worth a plugged nickle, largely because he gave us the interstate system and gave warning (since ignored by HIS party!) to watch out for the military industrial complex. He was also the last Republican to end a war with anything other than ignonomy.  The last century has been a continuous time of the Republicans failing the American people in every way imaginable, what a pity that so many of them haven't noticed!!

The metastasized cancer is fossil fuel dependence, reinforced by the PNAC insistence from the 90s that Middle Eastern reserves are vital to American security.  But tonight the true intervention logic will be covered with platitudes on terrorism, predictably reminiscent of the Bush era. No doubt, there will be some rehashing of Operation Iraqi Freedom with the claims that a surge in troops is for the good of the Afghanistan people, which is akin to beating a child into major injury or death while telling him it's for his own good.  

Perhaps the words-Taliban, insurgents, and Al Queada will be injected with greater fear to blur the distinction. Never mind their presence stand an excellent chance of increasing in proportion to the occupation. When the only world superpower insists it has the right to be in a poor, undeveloped country through its use of advanced weaponry and oftentimes brute force, no doubt insurgents and the Taliban are seen as the primary defense of home, tribe and village and they are afforded the respect of David fighting Goliath. As we're encouraged to fear the native population, our national hubris will be fed by proclamations of our right to be there and how they'll be helped by military presence.  Again, that's like beating someone to a pulp saying it's for their own good.  

There was an article in the AP a few days back where a state department official was insisting that the surge was for he Afghan people; therefore, it will be an Afghanistan surge, not an American surge.  I'm afraid we have a lot of similar logic to look forward to in tonight's address.  I hope I'm wrong and that more cogent and realistic explanations will be given.  But surely, defeating Al Quaeda, which had about 96 members in Afghanistan with the last estimate several months ago and has a global cell presence, will hardly be a cogent or reasonable explanation for the ultimate cost of trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives.  

It's about pipes, like TAPI and its competitors. It's a war for resources, this time the transportation of them.  In the meantime, the Afghanistan battles could very well reinforce the ones in its nearby neighbor of Pakistan, further destabilizing a nuclear nation held together by threads.  It's a scary scenario to think about for long and one that the journalist,Greenwald, has examined.  

I don't think I'm unique at all in the American population for my concerns. Not only does the Afghan escalation increase my chances to be harmed by the consequence of increased terrorism, whether I'm home or abroad, it will substantially weaken the already dismal state of the American economy which we all depend on.  

It is obvious the 2008 Election was all about getting a Democrat that was going to be Very Different from Bush, on Stopping the Wars, Bringing our troops home,  on Not Torturing,   on Prosecuting Those That Did Torture and Conspired To Torture, on Secrecy, on having a Transparent Administration, and so on.

It is becoming Obvious That We Got More Of Bush!  So what do we do if Obama, Holder and our Congressional Democrats continue to Ignore We Voters right up to the 2010 and 2012 Elections?

Will Voters Just Stay Home?  Ignore the Elections?  Tear Up Their Ballots?

Maybe the Dems would then begin to understand that their lies and arrogance will cost them dearly.

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All America's power cabal really cares about in Afghanistan is the territory ........ its people are just annoyances to cow or kill.