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Progressives must be ready to kill a bad health care reform bill

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BUZZFLASH'S LAST CHANCE DEMOCRACY CAFE

By Steven C. Day

God knows this country desperately needs to have a good health care reform package passed into law. But it’s becoming increasingly obvious that may not happen — the good part that is — unless progressives make it clear they’re willing to kill a bad “reform” package.

Let’s look at some of the recent evidence: Senator Dick Durbin, generally one of the good guys, just announced a willingness to dump the public option to get a bill passed. Meanwhile, we learn that the White House has entered into a deal with Big Pharma to oppose the government using its purchasing power to negotiate lower prices for prescription medicines. 

The truth is that the White House sees a political imperative to pass a bill, any bill. Otherwise, they’re afraid, Barack Obama will be damaged politically in much the same way Bill Clinton was when reform efforts failed during his presidency. And that’s where the rub comes in: because while progressives — generally strong supporters of the president — share these concerns over Obama’s political health, to us they play a poor second fiddle to making certain that health care reform is done right.

A bad bill — one so inadequate that it will merely prove correct the dire predictions of reform opponents, thus setting back true reform for at least another generation — really is worse than no bill at all.

Progressives (especially those in Congress) need to make it absolutely clear: so long as Obama is fighting for a strong health reform bill, we’ll be behind him every step of the way. But if, instead, the bill he ends up supporting is a bad one — the victim of death by a thousand compromises — we’ll fight just as hard to kill it. And kill it we can, because there’s no way, in light of GOP intransigence, any reform bill can pass without broad progressive support. 

So, yes, if we have to we’ll kill a bad bill. We don’t want to but we will. Meeting the health care needs of the American people is just too important to do otherwise — no matter how much we like the guy in the Oval Office.

BUZZFLASH'S LAST CHANCE DEMOCRACY CAFE




We can affort 5 trillion in 10 years for the war in...

...Afghanistan, but 2 trillion for health care in the same period will bankrupt the country! 57% of the US budget is spend on military affairs only 6% on health care.

Dump Obama

Obama has been a huge disappointment. The people that voted for him are getting little of what he promised because he's worried that the lunatics on the right won't be happy. He will never please the right-wing crazies and I can't understand why he so focused on getting the support of people that will oppose ANYTHING he proposes for the simple reason that he proposed it. I say it's time to dump Obama and find a candidate with a spine in 2012.

Single Payer Will Be A Game Changer

Why? Because it will show that when it comes to social services such as health care, government is the solution, not the problem. Government of, for and by the people, that is.

Good-Bad Health Care

I DON'T like the guy in the Oval Offace - ANYMORE! I was thrilled when he won but event by event he's let down the very people who put him in office! First the give-away to the moneyed intersts of Wall Street (what else would his appointees, Geiter & Sommers do, they're old Goldman-Sacs boys). Back off closeing Gitmo - horrible conditions still exist. Hasn't stopped "Don't Ask-Don't Tell" and we're still losing qualified people every day. Backed off eradicating DOMA. NOW, why should he even entertain a Health Bill that doesn't include Single Payer - it's what the public wants at about 70%! What's the deal with Big Pharma (no end to higher and higher drug prices). Sorry, he's just another beltway whimp! The idea of stopping a "bad" health care plan is ludicrous - this problem sholdn't even have found voice. The fact that it is, is the last straw - he is going back on his campagne promises just like every other politician does. HOPE - forget it!

Lead on, Colonel!

I wish the Pentagon had more intelligent thinkers like you like you and fewer of those camp followers who currently infest the place! It's clear you know about not fighting a battle that you would have to refight later. Better to follow Sun-Tzu's advice and wait patiently until conditions are in your favor than to advance carelessly through hoping for the best, for hope is never a strategy destined to succeed!

I don't want to hear any whining when you get your way

At one time the talk around the Internet was, "Open up the what Congress has to everyone! But when the suburban white boys and girls of the ideologically pure left Internet found out that the Federal Employees Health Care Benefits Program (FEHBP) was not a secret, for government employees-only single payer system, but a pool of private health insurance and union-owned health insurance companies, 70% of costs subsidized by the federal government with the rest picked up by monthly premiums, copays and out-of-pocket deductions. Didn't sound so good then, did it?

Now the ideologically pure left is ranting and raving for a single payer health care system. That and only that will do, never thinking that all this "discussion" of a Canadian or British single payer system feeds right into the right wing "we don't want no socialized medicine" feedback loop. And the misinformation and ignorance of how the Canadian or British systems function from the ideologically pure left is as palpable as the willful ignorance of the right.

Yet I question if any of the ideologically pure left have the courage of their convictions to go into the mouth of the reactionary beast and just talk with the fear-ridden denizens of the neighborhood senior center, fundamentalist church or local bar whose opinions are formed by Rush, Glenn and Bill'O. I challenge the ideologically pure left to make the case for a single payer health care system to the elderly widow, the truck driver, the unemployed factory worker. Please, make the case for health care reform to these people. Not to people like me, I'm already in that choir.

However, failing that I do sincerely hope you of the ideologically pure left get your wish to "kill" any health care legislation "tainted" by compromise with the corrupt corporations. You will all sleep well at night. More than likely you of the ideologically pure left are college educated and well entrenched in the coordinator class. What do you care if a few dumb rednecks, yes the very ones who screamed at the townhalls, are bled to death by ridiculously high monthly health insurance premiums, denied coverage for pre-existing conditions or "rescinded," dropped by the insurance carrier usually right before an expensive and life saving procedure.

If you, the ideologically pure left, kill whatever you consider a "bad" bill, the chance for a "good" bill will never happen, at least in my lifetime.

Sleep well.

ET Spoon

I'm curious.

How many times can you use the phrase "ideologically pure left" in a single post? You need to try harder.

I'm ever more curious...

...are there any left people left in the US? If yes, I'm would like to meet one! This sound so phony like as Democracy would exist in the USA.

No mandate without a public option

Insurance policies are nothing but Enron-style stock - not worth the paper they're printed on. An insurance mandate is a nothing but a requirement to pay known crooks - with the IRS acting as the collection enforcer.

Plunging expectations

Someone please enlighten me. If single payer coverage and a public option are both now off the table, as are any price control mechanisms, just what is left? Compulsory purchase of private insurance? Promises from insurers to play nice? This whole business has degenerated into a fight to pass any bill vs a fight to kill any bill. That sounds like a win/win scenario for the insurance industry and another royal screwing for the general welfare.

Public option isnt off the

Public option isnt off the table, we are gonna win, we are gonna win. Now you are enlightened.

Thanks for the compliments bobmpamz

bobmpamz "People who want to scuttle the whole thing are dumb or worse." Well thank you very much for saying we are all DUMB. Comments like that will certainly cause us to change our minds! After reading your comments you sound more like a Conservative than a Progressive. Could it be you really are and want a flawed bill passed so you can then say, "see, we told you it wouldn't work!" Cause that is exactly what will happen if Congress passes any of the bills they presently are working on. I'm not sure how old you are or how aware you are of the different groups that have been working for YEARS, not a few months, on getting a comprehensive health care bill, but most of us realize that passing a flawed bill is NOT the answer, we've already waited years, a few more for something that will REALLY make a difference won't matter that much. The dangerous patriot...drifts into chauvinism and exhibits blind enthusiasm for military actions. ~Colonel James A. Donovan, Marine Corps

Progressives must be ready to kill a bad health care reform bill

Politics is always the art of the "Possible." Obama is up against the strongest "anti-" coalition probably in history. The coalition includes not just health care interests, but also people who just plain hate Obama - Folks who hate him 'cuz he's black, folks whose issue is abortion, folks against "Big Government," etc. I will count it a PLUS if he can get ANY health bill through. People who want to scuttle the whole thing are dumb or worse. It's better to take an incomplete bill - something that can be amended in the future - than to scuttle what we have now.It can be amended next year, and the year after, etc. The REAL issue for me is to identify the senators and congressmen who have worked so hard against this bill this time around, and to throw them scumbags out on their ears. Hillary went to broke back in '93 -- her bill or no bill, and we have had to endure more of the same from the health care industry since then. Me, I'll be happy if Obama can get an imperfect bill passed this year. Remember, in politics there's always tomorrow. Maybe what we need to do is take whatever Obama can get thru, maybe unhappily. What we really have to do is organize at the grassroots to support whatever improvements can be made next year, and to out-shout, if necessary, the kinds of yahoos who took over the town meetings THIS YEAR! Right now, the BIG ISSUE is that we Progressives got caught flat-footed by the opposition in these town meeting fiascos. Can we get our act together to support amendments next year and beyond? BobM

So suppose they put in a

So suppose they put in a mandate with no option, as was Hillary Clintons 2008 campaign pledge. You would have the IRS enforcing collections for the insurance companies. When would it ever get fixed? 2010? 2011? 2012? 2013? 2014? 2015? 2016? 2017? Forget it - no public option, no mandate, period.

Clinton's plan DID include ...

... a public option, in the form of offering individuals two options: 1) choose one of the federal employee plans, or 2) an expanded form of Medicare. It included an individual mandate, just as many states require people to purchase auto insurance, but provided for federal tax subsidies to help people pay for coverage.

H-E double hockey sticks YES!!

I am a Progressive (a RN) and I have already sent in letters to my Senators and Representative to NOT support any bill that is NOT Single-Payer Health Care. If we "compromise"/present something that is less than this, it will FAIL! This is what the Insurance companies want. The only plan that has a chance of really making it is a Medicare for ALL, NO other option. Single-payer creates a single-tiered system that covers all people equally regardless of income or diagnosis. This type of unified system would foster universal high quality because quality of care would have to be kept high enough to be acceptable to all citizens, including the RICH. If we allow other insurance, the rich will continue to receive a higher quality of care than Middle class and poor. In countries that allow additional insurance to be purchased their citizens suffer because those with private insurance always go to the head of the line. We NEED to change the present system, but not to something that is just as bad! Want more info, go to Physicians for a National Health Program site. http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single_payer_resources.php The dangerous patriot...drifts into chauvinism and exhibits blind enthusiasm for military actions. ~Colonel James A. Donovan, Marine Corps

better a bad bill than no bill

I'm not quite sure that a bad bill is the way to go. We would be stuck with it like seniors and the disabled are stuck with Medicare "D", which was a huge give away to big pharma. No, I think it is better to let this 'health care reform' to sink into oblivion than to be saddled with something that congress will never have the balls to change. They certainly haven't made any effort to change Medicare "D", and big pharma is laughing themselves all the way to the bank. Like one person said, when health care and health insurance have reached the point where it is unaffordable for the average person then maybe the politicians and the conservatives will get a grip on the situation, but don't look for that to happen any time soon. It wasn't only the passage of Prop 13 in 1978 that put California in the position it's in, but also reagan's policies when he was governor, and norquist republicans. Reagan started the systematic dismantling of health, education and welfare in this state when he became governor in the 1960's. He and his rich cronies didn't want to pay taxes to help the poor, the mentally ill, the elderly, etc. If you don't know who grover norquist is, do a 'search' on your favorite search engine and you will find that he has been promoting less tax and more cuts to social programs in states such as California. He's the guy that wants to reduce government to the point where it can be drowned in the bathtub. The problem with Prop 13 is that it set the tax rate back a certain number of years when it was passed. The problem prior to that was that counties would go into specific areas, reaccess property values, and then raises taxes, and they weren't doing this to the wealthy. It was being done every year to those who could least afford it, and they were being taxed out of their homes, which is sad. There was never one wealthy person who was taxed out of the their home! I bought a house in Northern California in 1990. I have watched my property taxes go up every year until they have doubled. I am almost being taxed out of my home, and yet I make so little money that I can't afford to rent. It is a matter of stupid policies not only locally, but statewide here in California. If we think that this will improve nationally, well, we shouldn't hold our collective breath.

NO "HEALTH CARE REFORM"

NO "HEALTH CARE REFORM" without at least a robust public option WITH medicare pricing. We have "compromised" enough by abandoning a single-payer system. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! NO "HEALTH CARE" BILL that is nothing but another giveaway to the medical industry leeches!!!!!!!! Let Obama face the heat from SANE Americans for a change.

How Well I Remember

when I almost stopped reading the 'Flash because of the crazed obessive support for Obama. And now the chickens are coming home to roost. He flat out lied to us about health care (see him lying here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/09/flashback-obama-promises_n_254833.html) - and so much else. But Bflash "knew" Hillary was evil, and that we should follow the new guy. And now, you are shocked to find out what he really is. Bailing this guy out (YET AGAIN) early is the biggest mistake progressives made, and can make.

Ditch it unless it's the right plan

We should certainly ditch the plan if it's not the right plan. Allowing insurance companies and pharm. companies to profit even more at the expense of the public's best interest unacceptable. That's exactly what happened when Clinton tried to change things. Obama made a grave mistake by playing "nice". Instead, he should have gone in there swinging like FDR and Kennedy. Nothing this big will ever get passed if you tip-toe around. Can you just imagine FDR tip-toeing around trying to get social security passed? Heck, we'd STILL be waiting for the program if he did! I am so disgusted at the way the democrats and Obama have been handling this problem. Instead of turning the tables and asking the Republicans WHY they feel that all Americans don't deserve healthcare, they try to act "moderate" and "nice". PLEASE! I'm also sick and tired of the democrats not coming back when the idea of health reform is called, "socialist". Why don't they say, "What do you mean "socialist"? Are you saying that it's wrong for the government to ensure a certain quality of life and services for all of its citizens? Are you implying that services that are currently offered to our citizens such as police, firemen/women, public education, roads/bridges, and social security (just to name a few) are too "socialist" and should therefore be dismantled? I think the vast majority of the citizens would agree that there are all examples of superb programs that each one of us couldn't live without. Healthcare for all is simply the next item that is not a priviledge, but a right." Instead, the democrats remain closed mouth or try to backpedal because (god-forbid) we want to be called "socialist".

Slightly OT, but.....

As a life-long independent (small "i') who is usually moderate and believes in consensus and compromise but who leans left when I sense danger, as I have for, especially, the last decade, I will in no way support compromise with people who have shown that they do not seek it. As their last leader said, we are either with them or against them. When it comes to the need to fix a totally broken healthcare system, I am absolutely against compromise.

It is better to have no bill at all than one, much like Medicare D, which does not address the major problems we face, like the high cost of medications.

What difference does it make what a physician orders if you can't afford the medications or other treatments, which is often the case, even with private insurance?

Seems to me, the Democrats missed a golden opportunity when Bush and Cheney were intentionally scaring the begeesus out of Americans with false threats of bio-warfare against the eastern seaboard in order to convince the uninformed that Saddam was going to spray us with smallpox or some other dread disease. Why wasn't healthcare a national security issue? Why is it not a national security issue now?

After the war of aggression against Iraq, we probably are in danger of just such an attack. All it would take is a dozen or so suiciders flying into various major hubs around the U.S. with some highly contagious, deadly disease coming into contact with their fellow travelers aboard the airliner and in airports, train stations and the like to infect hundreds of thousands of people who might not seek treatment until they had infected thousands more because they don't have enough insurance and can't afford to take a day off for what may seem like a simple case of the flu in the beginning stages. Not only would this kill possibly millions of Americans and others from around the world, but could disrupt commerce at a time when we can ill afford such a crisis.

If there is no public option that will allow bargaining for lower medication prices, as the veterans have, I say no deal. Just let the whole rotten, corrupt mess collapse as it is about to. Maybe then we will get universal health care like the rest of the civilized world has.

Sad, Sad, Sad

President Obama has shown that he is not a strong leader and this is most unfortunate for the country. He allowed two Republican Senators and Nancy Pelosi to water down his Stimulus Bill to the point that even though several hundred billion dollars was alloted, little of that money went to fund infrastructure which would have had a ripple effect on the economy not to mention a legacy of public works. Candidate Obama promised an end to the war in Iraq. What the country got was not a cessation of our involvement there but a ratchetting up of the conflict in Afghanistan, a country with a history of thwarting imperial designs. Now, as his Capo Emmaunuel issues orders not to besmirch Blue Dogs, who are little more than corporate errand boys, Obama negotiates away the Government's power to bargain with Big Pharma and one of the supposed good guys states a bill might be passed without the public option. This is not leadership! This is not "Change You Can Believe In". This is just the same old horseshit without the criminal element.

The big insurance/big pharma bill

Mary in Radioactive Tennessee I want to know who submitted this empty, save the insurance industry mess of a bill? This sounds like another version of ole Bush's "Part D Medicare drug bill, which created a nightmare for seniors and protected no one, and created a gold mine for Big Pharma! I am a strong supporter of the President's goal of getting a bill with a public option, as well as making insurance thieves accountable. We need more information about this 'bill', who wrote it, who will introduce it, who backs it, so we can tell those in Congress who have caved that it is totally unacceptable!

in agreement

I agree totally with the article and first two letter writers.a bill just to save face for Obama and doing nothing to rectify the evils of our current health care system would be a disaster.If we get a bill with nothing to build on the congress could declare health care has already been worked on and nothing more need be done.It is better to defeat a lousy bill and let the millions more lose their health insurance as will happen because companies don't want to pay for health insurance.When this happens maybe many of the dimwitted conservatives will start to get a glimmer of why we need a government run health care program.To the fools that say if we pass it we have a start on reform,I point out on slavery we tried piecemeal legislation to keep everyone happy and it didn't work.You have to club the stupid over the head to get their attention.When insurance gets so high people can't afford it and that is the way it is going,when more people start dying then already are from lack of health care,when all the companies and states get rid of employee health care which is the trend then maybe even dumb conservatives will wake up and demand real health care reform.

My God - How arrogant and stupid can Progressives be?

Are we Progressives in some kind of "Arrogant & Stupid" Contest???? We have the greatest Quarterback the word has ever seen - Pres. Obama. What SHOULD we do? FOLLOW HIS LEAD!!!!! Duh. Or, we can just continue in this Progressive, intellectual circle jerk as we destroy the country. Interesting choice.

A Bad Bill Is Worse Then No Bill

I happen to live in California, where the terrible Prop 13 has taken California from the top of the national way of life to down near the bottom, (NO) thanks in large part to local Republicans and their Luddite ways. It is from this basis that I have to endorse the idea that the Frankenstein health care "reform" bill as currently maimed by corporate interference and limp-wristed administration compliance needs to be defeated.

It's too bad for Obama that he staked the success of his entire administration at the end of a long rope held by Blue Dogs and other overt corporatists instead of being like Lincoln and FDR and leading the charge to achieve his goals. But he will still get his million a year to write his memoirs even though those he abandoned on Main Street will be dumpster diving behind the mansions of the Wall Street pirates who helped to kill what reform he might have produced if he had any balls. I hope he doesn't choke on his escargot! His health plan might not cover his treatment!