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Packin’ Pistols for God and Country: NRA Christians stake claim on patriotism and the America
 
By Bill Berkowitz 
If you don’t quite get that for many in this country that the connection between guns and God is as American as burgers and fries, baseball and beer, and July 4th and fireworks, you should have been at the New Bethel Church in Louisville, Kentucky, on Saturday, June 27, where Pastor Ken Pagano welcomed more than 200 people – most of them packing guns (albeit unloaded) -- to an event called the “Open Carry Celebration.”
 
According to the New Bethel Church website, the “Open Carry Celebration” was held on a Saturday instead of a Sunday, so that it was clear that it was “not a church worship service, where the focus is on Jesus and our responsibility to Him. Rather,” Pagano, a former Marine weapons instructor, pointed out, “this is merely a church-hosted event, similar to any other event that any other church may do to celebrate their heritage.”
 
The “Open Carry Celebration” was held several weeks after Pagano had encouraged his parishioners to bring the guns to a church-sponsored picnic. "Honestly, I would really like to see this mushroom into a Thunder over Louisville, where we are just inundated with civil-minded responsible gun owners,” Pagano said.
 
“As a Christian, I believe, and as an American this country was founded on the deep-seated belief in God and firearms — without which we wouldn’t be here today,” Pagano told FOX News during the run-up to the “Open Carry” event. “There is nothing illogical nor immoral about being a God-fearer and a decent community-minded individual who believes in rights to bear arms and use firearms for self-defense if necessary or just for sporting purposes.”
 
Ministry Today reported that “Pagano got the idea after hearing several of his congregants voice concern over the Obama administration's views on gun control.” (During last year’s presidential campaign, Obama’s comment during a San Francisco fundraiser -- just before the Pennsylvania primary – that it was “not surprising” that in tough economic times, people then “get bitter, [and] they cling to guns or religion …“ continues to feed the right wing rumor mill that the Obama administration has plans to fiddle around with the Second Amendment.)   
 
Pagano had recently “preached a sermon called, ‘God, Guns, Gospel and Geometry,’ and during the [‘Open Carry Celebration’] … he met applause after declaring, ‘But for a deep-seated belief in God and firearms, this country would not be here today,’” Ministry Today reported.
 
Pagano’s “Open Carry Celebration,” which had been announced on the heels of the murder of Dr. George Tiller in a Wichita, Kansas church, was not without its critics. "I'm not opposed to people having guns. I have three," said Rev. Jerry Cappel, president of the Kentuckian Interfaith Community, a coalition of local religious leaders in the Louisville area, "You can be OK with the right to carry arms, but still find that joining the right to carry and Christ to be misguided," Cappel added.
 
Pam Gersh, a Louisville resident who helped organize a Million Mom March against gun violence in the area in 2000, told ABC News that "The serious issue of gun violence [wa]s not being addressed. I don't really understand the purpose of what Pagano is doing here."
 
"Where there are killings of people like Dr. Tiller in church and there is no discussion of gun violence and only of abortion, then it shows there's no real open dialogue about how to solve this problem," said Gersh.
 
Lynn Joyce Hunter recently pointed out at politicsdaily.com that “Pagano's plan may indicate the rise of a new phenomenon in American religion: the NRA Christian.” Hunter pointed out that “even putting aside the Sermon on the Mount and such biblical imagery as the beating of swords into plowshares, one must question whether an embrace of guns is the best way to claim a national identity and celebrate our patriotism -- in or out of church.”
 
Hunter maintained that what particularly bothered her  about “Pagano's bring-your-gun-to-church-day, … [was] not the thought of Independence Day revelers enjoying a Second Amendment theme party, but the advent of NRA Christian evangelism. The murder of George Tiller was particularly eerie because he was shot and killed in his church. Christian churches have long been considered places of peace, and sanctuaries from societal violence. When this presumption of sanctuary becomes violated -- from Archbishop Thomas Becket's murder in 1170 in Canterbury Cathedral to the 1980 slaying of Salvadorian Archbishop Oscar Romero -- there is a sense that our worship has been desecrated.”
 
Earlier this year, the Arkansas House of Representatives created quite a stir when it was considering a bill that would have allowed concealed hand guns in churches across the state. In late February, the state’s Senate Judiciary Committee voted not to allow that bill out of committee.
 
Pagano, who appears to maintain that without the Second Amendment – the right to bear arms – there would be no First Amendment – the right to free speech – and therefore no America as he knows it, has again placed the issue of carrying guns in the pews on the table. At the same time, his well-publicized event gave the pastor more than his fifteen minutes in the national spotlight.
 
As for the debate over guns, in a short post at Beliefnet, Rabbi Brad Hirschfield, author, radio and TV talk show host, and President of CLAL-The National Jewish Center for Learning and Leadership, asked: “Whatever one thinks about guns, gun ownership, or gun laws, do we really need any more religious leaders officiating over a marriage between faith and firearms?”
 
One Hirschfield reader responded unambiguously: “The US Constitution is divinely inspired, and nowhere is the hand of the Almighty in the creation of our country more evident in the glorious right of all its citizens to defend themselves enshrined in the Sacred Second Amendment. To me, bringing firearms to church, synagogue, or mosque is a joyful act of worship and thanksgiving for this our most sacred right, to defend our very lives from royal oppression.”

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Well a whip was handy,

because guns hadn't been invented. So the money changers lived another day. And most likly had something to do with his death. Live in truth and love

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http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/attachments/month_0801/jesus_sitting_nra_GYLGjBroxY3c.jpg "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Church Assassinations

Last year, an out-of-work truck driver who opened fire at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church, killing two people, left behind a note suggesting that he targeted the congregation out of hatred for its liberal policies, including its acceptance of gays. One of the victims, in fact, lay down his life physically preventing the killer from shooting other congregants. Do only we UUvies recall this tragedy now? There is no place for weaponry in any house of worship. None. Pat Williams

Go Ahead, Open Carry

I'm completely in favor of open carry. If someone wants to let the bank robber know who to shoot first, they should carry their guns out in the open. Same goes for rampage killers out in public. Open carry = First taken out.

(not to mention, every police officer in the vicinity will have their eyes on you, the guy with the gun, rather than real criminals lurking about, snatching purses, picking pockets, etc...)

Open carry is perfectly legal in New Hampshire, but you generally don't see anyone actually doing it except for law enforcement.

Now, as for this "church," these people are completely out of their minds, except for the media whore "pastor", who knows this is gaining him attention, notoriety, and more mindless followers who will fork over money to his tax exempt ass--and who are likely to believe that God (or Satan, take your pick) put dinosaur bones underground to tempt man to disbelieve the literal word of the "good" book.

~Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one. --Thomas Paine~

To better understand the

To better understand the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution it is helpful to consider how almost every reasonable person would interpret this amendment if it did not involve something which is considered controversial or politically incorrect by some and idolized by others. Arms in the possession of ordinary citizens meet both criteria. Let's, for the sake of argument, suppose that the Second Amendment dealt with books, not arms or weapons, and read like this: "A well educated electorate, being necessary to the maintenance of a free State, the right of the people to own and read books, shall not be infringed." Does anyone really believe that liberals would claim that only people who were eligible to vote should be allowed to buy and read books? Or that a person should have to have voted in the last election before the government would permit him or her to buy a book? Would the importation of books be banned if they did not meet an "educational purpose" test? Would some States limit citizens to buying "one book a month"? Would inflammatory "assault books" be banned in California? "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Prince of Peacemaker.

Prince of Peacemaker.

This was a political event

Which should cost the raving flying-monkey lunatic asswipes the tax-exemption their church enjoys... IU can see a tax-exemption for mendicant religious orders which give away all their earthyl goods to serve their Lord. But any preacher driving around in a $50K SUV hasn't followed his Lord, shriven himself of his worldly possessions, and given himself over to serving the poor. Billionaire "preachers" should be taxed just like the rest of us. And this dickweed should not be immune.

Culling the herd?

What could be funnier than a Christ-tard congregation full of the usual adulteries and snits packing heat and having a pitched battle in the pews, leaving the floors runny with blood?

"a deep-seated belief in God and firearms"

is going to be the name of my next blog.

Worshipping The Wrong God?

Fearful fools who toss aside their belief that their peaceful and loving Second-coming God will protect them from evil if they maintain faith in Him in favor of the offerings of the Second Amendment prophets Smith, Wesson, Colt, Glock, and Beretta demonstrate that they are really followers of Ares, Mars, and Huitzilopochtli. As such, they should cease claiming to be Christians lest The Almighty show them what kind of firepower He possesses.

Guns in Sanctuary

In a world where the hearts and minds of all people were ruled by religions' highest and most holy ideals guns and all weapons would indeed be unnecessary. In the thousands of years of recorded history humans have not been able to live that way so what is to change in the future? Is there some kind of critical mass in human consciousness and behavior that will cause universal peace to break out? Or do we have to deal with the constant struggle from the ridiculous to the sublime? Guns in churches...ridiculous. On the other hand, if there is truly a separation between church and state, then the right and responsibility of the people to protect themselves and their rights means having the tools to do the job. Rhetoric and lawful behavior are two of those tools. But in some contexts the only useful tools are weapons whether they are rocks, clubs, swords, bows, firearms or worse.

Anti-Christian, anti-social, Pro-Life, Pro-Death Penalty,

Turn the other cheek doesn't work with firearms. These people are not Christians. They have never understood the Bible if they ever read it. How can they justify war and violence as Christians? Jesus is a liberal.