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Of Israel, Gaza, Grief, and Victimhood

The BuzzFlash Editor's Blog

By Mark Karlin, Editor and Publisher

Beneath the growing body count in Gaza, there is the underlying public relations battle as to who is the bigger victim: Israel or the Palestinians?

Cultures that wallow themselves in victimhood are ultimately doomed to self-destruction, as the spiraling descent into death that knows no end in Gaza evidences.

But we've seen it all before, most recently in the ill-fated IDF incursion in Lebanon.

Most Americans accept two basic premises: the State of Israel has the right to exist and the Palestinians have a right to a state of their own.

If you begin with this underlying goal, much can be understood.

There are minority contingents of Palestinians and Israelis who want either the destruction of Israel, on the one hand, or the denial of a Palestinian state on the other.

Hamas and Hezbollah are Islamic fundamentalists who don't represent the relatively secular Islamic Palestinians as a whole.  Hamas came to power in a U.S. and Israeli approved election, largely because the residents of Gaza were fed up with the corruption of the PLO and also because Hamas, like Hezbollah, had set up a shadow system of social services to the Palestinian population.  But with Hamas's rise to power in Gaza came a fanatical political goal of destroying Israel. 

Hamas fortunately has not had the means to do it, largely because most Arab nation states see Islamic fundamentalists as a threat to their rule and ways of life. (Remember, Anwar Sadat was assassinated by a member of the Muslim Brotherhood for making peace with Israel.)  So the Arab Sunni Hamas is left with the Shiite and Persian Iran as its key ally, although Iran has given Hamas just enough weaponry to be a nuisance to Israel, but not enough to seriously threaten its national security as a nation.

Hamas actually appears to have stopped, for nearly two years, the most horrifying and psychological devastaing threat to Israelis: suicide bombings.  When Hamas rattles its tail nowadays, it shoots off homemade rockets in random and occasionally deadly attacks on Israelis in the south, where Gaza is located.

Meanwhile, in Israel, the guy who is the Israeli counterpart of the American Neo-con movement, Benjamin Netanyahu, was leading in the polls in the upcoming Israeli Knesset election in February.  Netanyahu does not want a two-state solution.  In fact, he and his followers have done everything possible to undercut peace with the Palestinians, beginning with undermining the Oslo Accords.  Just as Bush needed Osama bin Laden to achieve certain political and industrial-military complex goals, Netanyahu needs Hamas to crush hopes of a two-state solution and continue to subjugate the Palestinians as a non-people.

In this context, it is vital to remember that the warrior turned peace maker, Yitzhak Rabin, was assassinated by a right-wing Israeli during a gigantic rally for peace in Tel Aviv in the '90s.  So a Prime Minister of Israel seeking an end to conflict is killed not by an Arab, but by an Israeli, and the assassin is revered as a hero by a segment of the fundamentalist Israeli religious right.

After 9/11, Bush was able to seize unConstitutional executive authority because the majority of Americans were traumatized by terror.  That is just what happens in Israel when Palestinians attack.  This pleases Netanyahu to no end, because he then sets the tone for a hardline policy.  His two leading rivals for leadership are the heads of the Kadima and Labor parties.  Because Netanyahu was so far ahead in the polls, they raced -- at the end of the ceasefire with Hamas and the beginning of the rocket attacks on Israel -- to launch an assault on Gaza, which had been in the planning stages for months.  In fact, Ehud Barak (the former Israeli Prime Minister who almost signed off on a second-stage peace agreement with the Palestinians brokered by Bill Clinton in the last days of his presidency) -- currently Israeli Defense Minister -- has soared in the polls since the Gaza invasion. So, apparently has Tzipi Livni, who replaced Ehud Olmert as head of Kadima. (As in the British Parliament, Israelis vote for parties, who then form a coalition to elect the Prime Minister, who is generally the head of the party with the largest number of Knesset seats.)

Given a couple years of peace, the large majority of Israelis and Palestinians would favor -- and have in the lulls in terrorist attacks on Israel and Israeli counter-attacks on Palestinians -- peace and a two-state solution.  But there are significant minorities on both sides who want to sabotage that possibility -- and they inevitably carry the day.

In the end, the Palestinians and the Israeli government are going to have to face "get over it" moments that will be extremely difficult for both of them.  The Palestinians are going to have to give up their "right of return" demand, and the Israelis are going to have to dismantle the settlements on the West Bank, which will be an enormously difficult political goal to achieve.  But if the Israelis and Palestinians can't get over it, then there is no chance of peace.

Ironically, Israel is in a much better security position than in the past.  Think about it: it is inflicting horrid casualties in Gaza and not one Arab state is going to war with it, not one!  Until the Jimmy Carter-brokered peace treaty between Israel and Egypt, Israel faced endless wars and threats of wars with neighboring Arab states.  Not anymore.  That's an incredible accomplishment, and it came through steps toward peace, not war.  (There has even been "chatter" over the past two years that Israel is close to a peace agreement with Syria.)

Now the Persian Islamic Iran is the greatest fear of Israel, but the best security for Israel is peace and partnership with the Palestinians, not creating new recruits for the Islamic fundamentalists by laying siege to Gaza and killing hundreds of civilians.  That's the Netanyahu formula for keeping Israel in a permanent state of war.  Netanyahu is Israel's Cheney.  It is also what Hamas and Hezbollah want.  They know how to bait the bear.

A couple of years ago, I attended a graduation at Brandeis University, a college that was set up at a time when Jews were under a quota at the Ivy League schools.  I met a young Israeli Palestinian graduate who was vivacious, brilliant and crying because of all of her mixed emotions (yes, there are Arab students at Brandeis).  Her parents were there from an Israeli Arab town, and, ironically, someone was translating in Hebrew (they didn't speak English) what was happening.  And I thought, this is a young Palestinian woman, who if she had been in Gaza or in the West Bank might have been killed in one of the many clashes between Israel and the Palestinians.  But through her intelligence and fortitude, she had ended up with a full scholarship at a prestigious university in America that happened to be established as an academic refuge for Jewish students and scholars at a time when Anti-Semitism was socially acceptable in the United States. 

And I recalled many years ago meeting a young Israeli woman on a Kibbutz whose face was disfigured.  Her Kibbutz was on the Lebanese border and she had been riding a horse that stepped on a landmine placed there by terrorists.  She was also vibrant and full of life.

And I think of what is happening now in Gaza and I grieve, because both Israelis and Palestinians are being denied a future of peace by extremists on both sides.  Young people are being killed, whether it has been in the horror of suicide bombings that ravaged Israel for years, rocket attacks, or the bombings from the air by the IDF in Gaza.

Is there hope?  It is certainly difficult to see past the horror of Gaza at this time.  There is a cliched Israeli grim joke about a frog and a scorpion who meet at the edge of a river.  The scorpion asks the frog if it can ride on top of the frog to the other side of the water.  The frog responds, "Only if you promise not to sting me."  The scorpion agrees and crawls on the back of the frog.  Mid-river, the Scorpion delivers a lethal sting to the frog.  The frog, gasping for breath, asks: "Why did you sting me? You'll die too because you'll drown as I sink to the bottom." The scorpion responds: "Because this is the Middle East."

Were it not so, may it not be so in the future!

May the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton have the courage to bang some heads on both sides and provide a future of opportunity and a future without the threat of more blood and death to the young Israelis and Palestinians.

They deserve to live in peace.  Yitzhak Rabin and Anwar Sadat came to understand that -- and they were killed for daring to dream of an end to war between Israel and the Palestinians. 

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US opinion is not the global one

The Gaza evilness is not evident by Qassam or Grad rockets against Israeli land nor thrugh Hamas rule. Israeli occupation withdrew from Gaza, didn't it, while saying: "Look, we no longer have you occupied. You're free to enjoy yourself and be happy about your freedom. Now be good neighbours to Israel and live in peace and democracy". Evilness however moved out to the Gaza borders in the form of border controls, allowing (rarely) or disallowing (mostly) all that would be considered normal movements and trade for a 1.5 million population. There exports of groceries will have to wait until it's rotting away, if at all allowed. There the pride of Israel, its miltarized youth, representing the fifth largest miltary force on earth, a gift from the christian right in the USA, will point with guns and American supertanks, stopping, humiliating, questioning, forbidding, lying, degrading, ridiculing, bullying, stifling with unlimited inventiveness. Around the enclave Israel then screams to the world: Look how they behave against us, God's favoured folks, they're hurling rockets at us. Accordingly, Israel says, we decline to accept their politically elected representatives Hamas, cause they're terrorists, so we sharpen our control of the borders, strangle still more their import of oil, electricity, water, money and block further international aid and reconstruction. So we march in and crush those who oppose us. We and our benefactor and backer, the USA, need never notice what the United Nation Security Council or the world ever says. We're too powerful to have to. Gaza is since long one by Israel hermetically sealed and by Israel alone controlled enclave encompassing some 19 refugee camps crowded with palestinians expelled from Israel, with all the signs of a de facto concentration camp. By the Gaza war Israel now tries to convince the world opinion that smashing to death 500 children of the Gaza residents will bring them closer to peace. How, utterly, utterly far removed from reality can Israel stray??

Israel vs Hamas

Israeli army defends their people in war against Hamas which is a terrorist organization, like al-Qaeda. This organization responsible for the murder of many Israelis. As well, they devoted the last three years to shooting more than 6,200 rockets into Israeli towns. What would happen if rockets bombard Paris, Madrid or London? . It's important to support Israel on this war against terror!

The challenge is totalitarian theocracy

The "war" is not against "Terrorism" but a challenge of Ideas against Totalitarian Theocracy. Israel cannot exist as both "Jewish" and "Democratic". It is not a matter of prejudice, but demographics. Even if they opt for a "Final Solution" in Gaza, the Muslim Population in actual Israel will soon outnumber the Jewish population, and there are many other religions not even talked about. And the world is already drained of Jews who are eager to emigrate, so the main source of increase for them is slowing down.

Only by becoming a Very Secular state of a single people can Israel/Palestine find peace, and that will only happen when people everywhere stand up against Theocracy.

Religion is not the bogeyman here but claimants to each Judaic religion and many that are not Judaic who demand that they have theocratic totalitarian authority, but are only a minority even in their claimed religion.

Most people of all religions do not support Theocracy, and would dump such leaders in a heartbeat without the threat from others just like them in all aspects but the name of the religion. It is long past time that all these totalitarians be dumped in the same basket and fought with Ideas that they are vulnerable to and not bullets that make them stronger.


If the Gang Of Pirates think that the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat, only a fool would think it bipartisan to accommodate them.

lots of fodder

I find the depth and intricacies of the whole "Israel/Palestine Question" fascinating, and many good points have been put forth here. Having been to Israel (and very nearly joining into an Ashkenazi Israeli family, long story) only deepens the facets, and as a result find myself even less clear on what is really going on, at the core.

(Sure, several of you can spout what you believe to be "the Truth" of the issue, but let's be honest - "truth" is nothing but a distillation of available facts tailored to a personal p.o.v., no matter how objective you believe you're being.)

One thing I do know for sure: I will in all likelihood never really understand what people are feeling on either side of this issue, because I've never in my life felt any attachment to or gravitation toward any land; to my mind, land is land, and if you have difficulties in one place, for whatever reason(s), you can move someplace else. I simply cannot fathom the attachments that Israelis and Palestinians have to this land. Familial heritage? So what; found a new family chapter somewhere else. "Holy" land? If this world is a divine creation at all, then ALL land is "holy". Find someplace else.

I know this comes across as insensitive, and I apologize, but I just don't understand why people can't be sensible and forego material and sentimental attachments. (Maybe I am a Vulcan, I don't know...) ;)

I cannot agree with you

I cannot agree with you about Israel and Gaza. Israel is constantly taking more and more of Palestine's land. Daily they knock down houses, push people out and steal their land. Neither Israel or Palestine is a viable country on it's own. From the beginning Israel's leaders said that Israel could not survive with the present boundaries. Since it's inception Israel has been working to increase it's territory. There is no possibility of a lasting peace between two parties when one of them is planning to continue stealing the other's land. The same reason that Native American's couldn't make a lasting peace with European Americans. The reasonable answer is to make one country that would be viable. However, for some reason, Israel is not seen as chauvinistic or hate filled when they want to keep their country Jewish. No other country is allowed to get away with the kind of hate and exclusivity that Israel gets away with. Just like children who are beaten tend to beat their own children, Israel treats the Arabs the way the Nazi's treated them. What is Gaza if not a ghetto?

One State

A single secular entity encompassing all of Palestine/Israel is the only way to concoct a long-term solution to a problem that never should have existed.

Anything else will inevitably fail, and probably with extremely dire consequences for far more people than just the disputants.

Good article, Mark

It's been a long time since I read something that was actually balanced, and not hammering one side or the other. The only point I will raise re the text of the article is to note that suicide bombers have stopped not because of Hamas, but because of the border being closed and walled off by the Israelis, along with the limitation of access by Gazans. Which of course contributes to the problems of Gazans trying to find employment, medical care, goods and services, and export opportunities. This whole thing has been going on for so long, and each 'tat' begets another 'tit for'. There will probably never be a solution.

Amen, Mark

That was my first response. Then I read the comments. It's still my reaction.

There are fearful hatemongers everywhere and irresponsible leaders who would rather
keep a conflict going than try to settle it. But most ordinary folks, who can be
whipped into a frenzy by their leaders, would really like to be left alone, to raise
their children, go to school, make a living, go to worship or not, talk to their neighbors
etc etc etc.

The problem is always how to let those majority voices be heard.

What's happening in Gaza is a tragedy - much blame can be thrown in all directions
but to what end?

Each side needs to stop throwing real and verbal bombs.

Can it happen?

Colleen Clark
Cambridge, MA

This is the neocon response

Whenever the neocons are found to have committed a crime, the invariable response is a move to put the crime in the past and move forward from here.

We cannot move forward on the basis that both the land-stealing terrorists and their victims are equally entitled to Palestinian land (other than the 4% legitimately purchased by the fund).

Look at Some of Our Fellow Respondents, Colleen

As my wife says, "The question is always the answer - provided you want the answer badly enough...." :(

70 percent of American Jews

70 percent of American Jews are wonderful patriotic Americans who voted for Barack Obama, and they are sorry and embarrassed about this - but the Conservative Authoriatarian pro-Bush Hawk Fundamentalist, right-wing jews do not have the right to speak for every Israeli or every Jew.

Fundamentalist Arabs war is with secular moderate and liberal Arabs - Fundamentalist Jews war is with secular moderal and liberal Jews.

Conservative Fools help their own according to their unstated war against Liberal Geniuses. When THEY SAY ITS OK, they will pay Osama Bin Laden to kill Russians - they will hire terrorists - they will pay Saddam Hussein agriculture credits and appoint Donald Rumsfeld as special envoy to make sure the chemical weapons transactions go through to kill Iranians.

Conservatives heed not the advice of intelligent thoughtful people - they greet our wisdom with insults - they call us every name in the book. Conservatives thought it would be brilliant to invade Iraq, invade Vietnam, get rid of Mossadegh - Liberals warned them it would be a fiasco - Liberals warned them about the long-term disadvantages strategically of killing civillians with collateral-bombs in Lebannon.

Let's remove the spin.

Hamas is the democratically elected government of Gaza.

Hamas has represented the people of Gaza, while its existence at all has been an all-purpose cassus-belli for the Israeli terror regime to carry out its program of displacement and ethnic cleansing begun 100 years ago. Most US "progressives" refuse to see the forest for the trees. Israel's great historic crimes against the people of Palestine have never been addressed. The "might make right" Israeli regime has continued toward its goal of expanding its territories.

Hamas is irrelevant, as are its useless handful of rockets. The real goal is a racist ethnic cleansing, by Israel of the much coveted occupied territories (Gaza and the West Bank, and the south of Lebanon "up to the Litani River"). Numerous Israeli high officials have let the cat out of the bag that they wish to dispossess the Palestinians and steal MORE of their land.

Israel has no "right to exist" whatsoever, much like our own DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE (1776) calls for the overthrow of a tyrannical regime when it is despotic and responsible for a "long train of abuses and usurpations" of the people's rights.

Israel's oft-stated "right to exist" does not establish which BORDERS it intends to exist within, preferring the option to expand into the future.

Israel's hypocrisy affords no "right to exist" to the Palestinians -- the ones under attack for many decades, living under military siege, suffering crimes against humanity and an apartheid state which would be condemned (here) if the roles were reversed (Israeli Jews living in a giant ghetto, beneath the iron boots of an Arab military).

Israel's lies and hypocrisy and outright mass murder must be opposed by all "civilized" people (as well as US war crimes too), and all "aid" must be halted to this rogue terror regime.

Boycott the criminal state of Israel and divest all investments from its criminal war machine.

Again -- this conflict has nothing to do with Hamas (who actually enforced a cease fire until the ISRAELIS BROKE IT ON NOV. 4 2008, THE US ELECTION DAY), and the crimes against the people of Palestine have been ongoing long before Hamas ever existed.

Stop believing Israeli lies.

There are very easy moral standards to judge these actions. It is clearly wrong, as well as a war crime enshrined in numerous International Laws (like the Geneva Conventions and UN Charter).

Might does not make right. And a large propaganda organ does not make truth.

Crimes of the State

PS:
"Operation Cast Lead", Part of a Broader Israeli Military-Intelligence Agenda
by Professor Michel Chossudovsky

You make some valid points,

You make some valid points, John, but this one is laughable: "Israel has no "right to exist" whatsoever, much like our own DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE (1776) calls for the overthrow of a tyrannical regime when it is despotic and responsible for a "long train of abuses and usurpations" of the people's rights." The USA also has no right to exist whatsoever by your reasoning. What the hell do you think WE did to the indigneous people! Israel is well-established and it's good that there is a homeland for the Jews, who were, and in many areas still are, a persecuted minority just for being Jews and not necessarily related to Israel. That said, grievous wrongs were done and are still being done to indigenous Arabs from Israel/Palestine. It's fruitless to debate who has a right to exist. Palestinians must be allowed to establish a legitimate non-bantustan-laden state, i.e. the illegal Israeli settlements and the obnoxious settlers must be taken away. As I said in my earlier post, the shape and details of an agreement have already been agreed to by cooler Palestinian and Israeli heads. Many thousands of them. And majorities of both peoples have said repeatedly they are willing to co-exist. It is the extreme and maximalist but very influential minorities and the rotten, negligent leaders - including empty-suit Bush - that hold peace hostage.

US != Israel

Humanity has progressed in the last two centuries. It is no longer acceptable to steal land by war. Wars of aggression and conquest are nowadays war crimes.

There are parts of United States history that are regrettable, but unlike Israeli "settler" terrorists we are no longer actively stealing land from Native Americans. Unlike Israel, we have to some extent compensated Native Americans for the stolen land. Unlike Israel, after many years of broken treaties, we are finally keeping our word.

The reservations which were returned to Native Americans are not the best land but they are generally a reasonable size for their populations, not at all like the overcrowding in Concentration Camp Gaza.

We regret our crimes against Native Americans. Israel is still committing crimes against Palestinians, and reveling in them.

Aboriginal lands, eh?

In response to Mike5000, speaking as someone carrying not a little Shoshone blood, I can inform you that "sorry" isn't enough. The department of the Interior, which is supposedly administering lands held in trust for North American aboriginals for their benefit, has been serving f***ing whities like you for as long as you have been here. The lawsuits we are conducting to regain our lands have been and will continue to be blocked at every possible opportunity by Democrats and Republicans, liberal and conservative alike, and records as to just how much of the wealth contained on those so called "federal" lands has been looted, again, for the benefit of whitey, are never kept. Why don't you go back where your forefathers came from? Especially since that is precisely the solution p**s like you advocate for the jews, you should be willing to put your money where your mouth is. It is always easier to correct the faults of others than to reform ourselves, and as an added benefit, it costs a lot less, and we can feel noble as all getout while eating someone else's lunch.....

Native Americans still getting screwed

It would be very constructive if Barack Obama were to have a real GAO audit of the Bureau of Indian Affairs. I don't know if the criminals running the Bureau of Indian Affairs outnumber the honest civil servants working there. If that is the case, then a far more cautious approach would need to be taken. American government foreign policy (that includes treatment of Native Americans - who are treated as foreigners in their own land) really does need to change its modus operandi from "rape and pillage" to "enlightenment and construction."

Shoshone?

I think you'll find that the Arapahoe, Blackfoot, Cheyenne, Crow and Lakota took more Shoshone land than the "whities" did.

So that makes your taking it from them legit, does it?

Your hands are Reeeaaalll clean, "Oh, yeah, well, we just took it from those theivin' redskins, and we sure aren't gonna give it back, are we? No suh!" That's the beauty of being a hypocrite, isn't it? You think that you can wash your own hands in someone else's filth... Before you leave, whitey, turn in your keys to the A.I.M.

Thanks for the hard line pro-Israeli opinion.

I am neither a Jew nor an Arab, but simply an American mother and world traveler with a family as mixed as the UN. But without a doubt, you have a narrow and twisted view of the issue as filled repetitive knife thrusts to Arabs as I've ever seen.

You have the audacious gall to actually say "After 9/11, Bush was able to seize unconstitutional executive authority because the majority of Americans were traumatized by terror. That is just what happens in Israel when Palestinians attack. "

Are you kidding me?? Jews are always paranoid - wherever they are. But to compare the 9-11 attacks on the centers of American democracy to a handful of inaccurate slow moving homemade rockets fired by hoodlums in beat up pick up trucks- is absolutely insulting, and is nothing more than Jews whining about someone finally holding them accountable for massive abuses the Jews have gotten away with for decades.

Not to mention one cold had fact Jews don't want to 'remember'. We here in American were attacked - solely because of our covering Israel's ass for so many years - regardless of their UN violations and regardless of our own democratic principles being violate by Israel. Like their willingness to TORTURE, for example.

You're equally absurd comparisons as to who is the bigger victim - bloated, lazy, overfed, over weaponized Israeli welfare queens supported by Americans working their asses off and sacrificing their children - because Jews refuse to 'dirty' their hands and enter the American military, versus caged humans treated as barbarously as they treat Bush's Guantanamo detainees sent to Israel under secret renditioning policies approved of by the high "quota" of Jews in our American Congress, thanks to more hard working American dollars being used by Chuck Schumer's DSCC and Rahm Emanuel's DCCC, under the constant control of AIPAC, to make it happen.

The ending of all this - and very sadly so- is likely to be the isolation of Israel, who will be seen as more of a monster. The worlds worst victims, now turned the worlds biggest victimizers.

Nationalism is not terrorism. And an adversary is not an enemy.

Liberal Jews arent in the

Liberal Jews arent in the victimized mindset at all.

Conservative non-Jews are all in the victimized mindset.

Jew or non-Jew has nothing to do with it.

Right to exist?

Does Israel have a right to exist?

Individual human beings have a right to exist. We recognize that states exist, if at all, to serve people.

Prior to '48 the fund had purchased about 4% of Palestine. The rest of Israel was stolen from people, mostly by terrorism. Nearly every kind of terrorist act that Arabs have done the Israelis did first and worst. Check the facts and you'll be amazed - Israeli leaders have published books boasting of terrorist acts which they deny in the US mainstream media.

The heirs of the people who bought 4% of Palestine have a right to that 4%. They have a right to buy additional land from willing sellers. They have a right to organize and to call themselves Israel. They have a right to peaceful existence if they stop attacking their neighbors. Nothing more.

And, JUST When Somebody Comes Up w/a Sensible MidEast Post

comes the anti-Semitic so-called "progressives", proudly waving their copies of PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION at us and chanting "Death to Israel! Kill the Jews!"....

::sigh:: Look, Mike5000 - there is a LOT of fault on both sides of this issue...and a LOT of fault that has zip to do w/either side, but is on the American-European and Arabic World powers who created this mess in the first place:

- Remember the Palestine Mandate, which put two peoples with equally-valid claims to Palestine cheek-by-jowl?
- Remember how most Arab countries have no more use for Palestinians than Israel does - except as way to 'pwn Israel?

Most Israelis are no more responsible for the Likud Party's belligerence than we here are responsible for Bush and Cheney. Or would you go along w/the French, say, not distinguishing between you and Holy Joe the Quisling LIEberman...?

Palestine Mandate

This temporary expediency was in no way intended to partition the territory in any manner, and the Arab States primary objection to the UN's attempt was based upon there being no right for anyone to do so.

Israel declared itself a nation in violation of the UN's intent following a flawed vote ......... which later gave a resigned recognition of the fait accompli backed up by the world's most powerful nations for reasons less than noble.

Actually, There Was the BEST "Right to Do So"

Most of the Arab States sided w/the Axis during WWII.

They lost.

Say what?

Most of the Arab States sided w/the Axis during WWI

Sorry, but making up history does not reinforce one's argument, albeit Israel obviously has done quite with that ploy.

Even if what you alleged was true, how on earth would that justify what happened to the non-Jewish residents of Britain's Palestine Mandate?

banging heads is right-on

You are spot-on. Past polls have shown that the majorities of Palestinians and Israelis are willing to co-exist in peace. Most of the details of a final peace settlement have already been developed and accepted by rational heads on both sides. It's a minority on both sides that keep blocking progress. There has been a dearth of statesmanship on both sides since the death of Rabin. One thing you might also have mentioned: in the same courageous spirit as Rabin, Anwar Sadat took an amazing risk for peace and he *also* was assassinated by one his own countrymen. Barack and Hilary ought to knock some heads over there, especially Israeli heads, frankly, who have intentionally kept conditions utterly bleak in Gaza for years and not allowed Palestinians to see that taking a peaceful road leads to economic dividends. If young Gazans had had education and a real financial stake in life to look forward to, Hamas would never have gotten a foothold and we would not be still caught in the vicious deadly cycle.

Thank You

Somebody had to say it - that this invasion hurts both sides, and that Netanyahu is Israel's Traitors Bush&Cheney.

I second drpodny's comment

Now, if only the American Corporate Media would start doing its job, then Bush, Cheney and Netanyahu would be relegated to history's dust bin of scumbags and scoundrels.