On Health Care Reform, Maybe Liberals Need More Spock and Less McCoy

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from one of two sources:

• CORPORATE OWNED DEMS:  Rahm Emanuel's, Joe Lieberman's or one of the other blue dogs or DLCers that jammed this up and diluted it to almost nothing.

• INSURANCE CO. EXECS:  Direct the Justice Department prosecute insurance company execs who denied reasonable care and caused people's deaths.  Treat them with the same care and deference we do serial killers and terrorists--no deals, no bail, and no club fed.  And not just the guys who answer the phone, but the people at the very top who set the policy.

Hell, I would be happy if he did that with Goldman Sachs, AIG, Blackwater, or any of the other corporate malefactors.  Show us that these guys are subject to the rule of law and that they can't kill people and destroy our economy then turn around and demand favors from the government. 

Or better yet, one of each of those, so we know that our government represents us and doesn't sell our very lives and financial well-being to the highest bidder.

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I'm not so sure.  The mandate that we all purchase this "product", totally unaccompanied by any attempt to limit the insurance cabal's ability to raise its prices to whatever, appears to me to be a very dangerous thing to make into law.  If fact, it seems to me to be an even more visceral version of the mercantilist policies that spurred the American Revolution.

...and it makes the insurance companies more money, which makes them even more our masters.  We need to destroy monopolies and preposterously disproportionate wealth, not promote them.  I am urging my Senators to reject the bill.

Ken Duerksen Oxford, Ohio

Spock would have had more common sense then to vote for this piece of (fill in the blank). you site the it will get better argument,when we have a Republican party over the edge of reality and a democratic party and president full of traitors,when will it get better.Congress just agreed to allow drug companies to charge what they want and prices have already gone up 10%. Paying for the bill falls on the hands of the middle class and poor as Obama reneged on promises of making the rich pay for it because of their hugh tax breaks.People are dailey losing jobs or taking more wage cuts and we are going to tax their insurance,which by the way many will lose because of soaring health care insurance cost.And if you can't afford insurance you will be penealized.Billions will be cut from medicare but with promises of no lose of service,do you think hospitals and doctors will work for free,no many of them will follow suit and refuse to take medicare and our elderly will suffer.the uninsurable can now buy insurance but Obama and the democrats have said they can charge much more to them,kind of like the system we have now.All i can say steven Day is you must be a klingon spy trying to trap the humanoids in a deadly plot

This "reform" bill should be killed.  First, as usual, the politicians and media confuse 'insurance' for 'health care,' which it is not.  This bill won't provide any health care, it's all about insurance.  It should be titled "The Private Health Care Insurance Company Enrichment Act." Rather than a foot in the door of real, affordable, universal health care, this will slam the door shut as it enshrines private for profit insurance as the only way to 'guarantee health care,' which it obviously will not do (if it did, we wouldn't need this bill, eh?).  Obama always said we have to 'reform' within the historic screwed-up system of insurance we already have, and this won't do that either, except to make it worse. Gee, health insurance stock boomed yesterday, wonder why? Maybe because it looks like a new federal law will hand them 30+ million new mandatory customers!  It's Big Insurance and Big Pharma's dream come true!  Howard Dean is correct, this will make things worse, not better.  In fact, this is a formula for paying more and getting less.  Throw out the Senate bill and go to reconciliation, where the Dems win with 51 votes.  Bush did it again and again, to pass things without popular support, but the Dems won't even go this route when the majority supports something!  Pathetic.

At least it's now absolutely clear who Obama's masters really are, and it isn't the two million who contributed what they could to his 'visionary' campaign, it's the huge corporate monsters who Obama was so proud of supposedly not taking money from.

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jbush

I fear that "we the people" will not be the ones getting a foot in the door.  Rather, it will be the greedhead insuranced companies, as we are required to buy their faulty, overpriced product.  That provision is the deal breaker for me.

The only thing this bill does is now force me to buy health insurance. I have none now because I can't get a job anymore.

Now not only do I have to figure out a way to get a new career, I've got to pony up 3 bills every month for coverage I probably won't need. That might not be so bad except that I know when the time does come that I will need it after paying thousands in premiums, they will not cover whatever the problem is. (or they will lock my into a death battle to get them to pay)

So now I will be paying for something that will give me nothing in return. Thanks Barack, but hey at least you got what you want:

A nice fat BJ to the insurance companies just like the one you gave to the banksters, your jaw must  be getting tired by now.

I say refuse, Refuse to give in to Government tyranny. If we all fight back we can make a change....oh yeah right, that is total BS

Nevermind

I keep hearing the argument for passing the senate non health care bill that we have to "get our foot in the door" or that we need to "start somewhere."  We already have a foot in the door - Medicare.  In 40 years we haven't expanded coverage to any great extent.  Let's work with the foot we already have in the door.  We will get nowhere as long as we keep trying to preserve the current system of private insurance companies.  That system has failed.  Let's get rid of it.

I'm not a Democrat, but I did vote for Obama, I did so with my eyes wide open, unlike many.  I kept pointing out his many flaws to those with their eyes tightly closed, and they kept denying what I was telling them.  Up until the Republicans put crazy Sarah up for the VP position I had planned to vote third party AGAIN!  I have been so disillusioned by both parties over the years that I have been voting third party for a while.  Except back when Bush ran for reelection.  I tightly held my nose and voted Democrat to get him out.  Then did so again to keep the crazy out of the White House.  And look what good that did!

I say it's time for the Progressives to get EMOTIONAL!  For TOO LONG they have been the "rational" or "Grown-ups" and look where it has gotten them.

So, you "Liberals", or Good Democrats keep calling us Progressives names but we will not stop fighting against the business as usual of the Washington Plutocrats.  We've had ENOUGH!!!

"He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else." ~ Benjamin Franklin

Very wise and mature attitude Mr. Day. I disagree. It's not JUST health care Mr. Day. See the Dems promised in 2006 if I voted for them that they would get us out of Iraq. Nearly four years later I'm still waiting.

It was difficult but I remained relatively silent while President Obama bailed out the banks and insurance companies instead of putting most of them in jail for fraud.

Okay, I don't agree but President Obama did campaign on expanding the war in Afghanistan.

President Obama also compaigned on single payer health care reform. He backed off single payer to a public option. Then he backed off public option to an expanding Medicare. Then he backed off expanding Medicare to a corporate welfare program for health insurance providers.

Neither Mr. Obama or the Democrats speak for me. And I'm tired of being lied to.

$1500-3800 fine.  IRS.  CEO bonuses. 

$1500-3800 fine.  IRS.  CEO bonuses. 

$1500-3800 fine.  IRS.  CEO bonuses. 

$1500-3800 fine.  IRS.  CEO bonuses. 

$1500-3800 fine.  IRS.  CEO bonuses. 

$1500-3800 fine.  IRS.  CEO bonuses. 

Giving in to blackmail and extortion just to win a pyrrhic victory is not reform! Once we are locked in to this bad bill, there is no way in this sick world that the insurance companies will ever grant any alterations in the law which is making them incredibly profitable - unless it benefits them with even more profits.

There are many loopholes in the law that will likely allow many of the egregious outrages currently perpetrated upon policy holders to continue. There is no guaranty that you will have your pre-existing conditions paid for. There is no cap on how much you will be charged for your coverage. And you will pay much more as you grow older.

Then there is the "excise" tax on the benefits some of us receive. Put a similar tax on executive compensation and I might agree to this. Not until.

Are you ready to trade having a life for working it away in order to pay your insurance company? I am not. Don't reward criminal behavior masquerading as the law just to get nothing for something. Kill This Bill!

I completely agree with you that emotions and hysteria have begun to control the debate.I am totally  not in the Dean, Olbermann, Schultz camp.  Ed Schultz has turned me off with his emotional outbursts. Pres Clinton and Paul Krugman rationally argue that we must get a foot in the door. I think that is obvious.  Of course progressives are outraged, but they better not blow it when this is the farthest we have come in reform. Many are angry with Pres Obama, I give him credit for demanding that this be worked on.  Would progressives be happier with McCain.  I think progressives need to take a deep breath, continue to fight for better reform, but move forward not backwards.