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Dave Lindorff: When 1st and 2nd Amendment Conflict -- Protests, Guns, and Double Standards

Let me state from the get-go that I'm no opponent of gun ownership (got my first rifle at the age of 12 and am still a crack shot). But something weird is going on when you have guys wandering around a political rally or protest site with pistols strapped to their thighs, or semi-automatic assault rifles strapped brazenly to their backs, as has been happening outside of venues where President Obama is speaking.

Before we get to the legal issues here, I just want to paint you a mental picture:

Take yourself back to the time when George W. Bush was president and Dick Cheney was Vice President. Both men were barnstorming around the country in those years, either ginning up support for their pointless war in Iraq or campaigning for Republicans in Congressional races, or for their own re-election. The response of police in charge of crowd control at these events -- always the same -- was dependent upon who was lining the streets. If there were people sporting signs that backed the administration, they were left alone. If, however, it was someone wearing something such as an "Impeach Bush" T-shirt, or carrying a sign saying "U.S. Out of Iraq" or some other critical statement, he or she was given a choice: move to a fenced in "Free Speech Zone" out of sight of the presidential or vice-presidential entourage, or face arrest.

I investigated and wrote about what was happening back then, and learned that the order to clear protesters away from wherever the president or vice president would be was being made by the Secret Service and the White House advance team. As I was told at the time by Paul Wolf, a deputy police chief for Allegheny County, PA, where Bush had come in 2003, the decision to pen in Bush critics at that event originated with the Secret Service. "Generally, we don't put protesters inside enclosures," Wolf said. "The only time I remember us doing that was a Ku Klux Klan rally, where there was an opposing rally, and we had to put up a fence to separate them."

Of the September 2003 Bush event, he said, "What the Secret Service does is they come in and do a site survey, and say, 'Here's a place where the people can be, and we'd like to have any protesters be put in a place that is able to be secured.' Someone, say our police chief, may have suggested the place, but the request to fence them in comes from the Secret Service. They run the show."

Now I don't have to tell you that if those protesters who were being moved away from a political rally or motorcade back then had been visibly armed, much less armed with loaded assault rifles, they would not have simply been herded into a "Free Speech" pen. They'd have been arrested, probably tasered into the bargain, their guns would have been confiscated, and they might well have found themselves on a flight to Guantanamo Bay.

What's different now?

For one thing, we aren't seeing the "Free Speech Zones" at Obama events. Clearly the Secret Service is not being instructed by White House operatives to have local police cart away protesters. That's a good thing. The Bush/Cheney tactic against protest was a gross violation of the First Amendment right of free speech and free association. For another, it seems like the Secret Service is letting local police make the decisions about who poses a threat to the president -- and in some states, such as upstate New York, Colorado, and Arizona -- those local police seem perfectly comfortable with having armed citizens in the crowds.

Let me just state for the record that this is sheer madness.

I've been to a lot of demonstrations in my life, and one thing that has been pretty standard is that police have banned the use of wooden sticks for holding up signs. The reason is obvious: They are afraid that sticks might end up being used as weapons in any confrontation, whether with them, or perhaps with angry opponents of whatever is being protested. So protesters use cardboard tubes instead.

How is it that sticks or baseball bats can be banned at rallies and protests, but not guns?

I'm not talking here about the right to bear arms. People have the right under the Constitution to own guns, and various states such as Virginia, for example, have passed laws even allowing them to be worn into public places such as restaurants. But police also have a duty to protect the public, and the right to carry guns is not universal. They cannot, for instance, be carried near schools in any jurisdiction I know of. Does that violate the Constitution? Apparently not, according to the Supreme Court.

Why aren't people allowed to carry guns near or in schools? You tell me. Clearly it's because there have been some nasty incidents involving people with guns blowing away kids at schools. It's not that people haven't killed kids in other settings, but there's an emotional, visceral response to seeing an armed person near a playground, so we outlaw it. It would scare parents, scare kids, and scare teachers, and that's not an environment we want for our kids.

So what about political events? Don't we want political events to be free from intimidation? The essence of a free society is the right to go to a public political event and express one's support for or to protest against some political figure or political policy. That can involve having to confront people with an opposite perspective, which can get tense and nasty, but the conflict is verbal, not physical, and of course if it gets physical, the police intervene, as they should -- hopefully with even-handedness.

Guns at such events introduce a different factor. If police -- and the Secret Service -- allow guns at political events, then members of the public have to fear for their safety and their very lives. No amount of police scrutiny can prevent a gunholder, whether based upon a plan of action or in the heat of the moment, from suddenly firing into a crowd. That reality is certain to deter some people from speaking their mind, and others from even showing up.

Furthermore, just as we've had plenty of gun violence at schools, which has led to state and local bans everywhere on gun-toting near schools, we've also had our share of political assassinations and assassination attempts, usually by people who brought guns to political events.

Should someone at some point make an assassination attempt against the country's 44th president, I can see all the conspiracy theories already, looking at how the Secret Service did nothing to keep guns away from the president's appearances, and how local cops stood idly by while armed gunmen milled around motorcades and outside the venues where the president was speaking. Sure it would probably be someone who came with a concealed weapon, not someone publicly carrying one, but when you have people carrying them openly, it is bound to divert police and Secret Service attention from the person or people in the crowd who are up to something more sinister.

Am I crazy, or is this all just nuts? Does the Secret Service really want another dead president on its hands? Do local police really want to have people killed, or a president shot, on their watch?

We've established that this is the United States of Gun Owners, so if you want a gun, go out and buy yourself one. Heck, buy a hundred if you like. But nobody should be allowed to carry a gun at a political event.

If we are going to keep our First Amendment, or what's left of it, we have to make sure that freedom of speech and freedom of assembly are not intimidated by whackos with weapons. If we can keep rallies free of sticks and bats, we can and must keep them free of guns too.

DAVE LINDORFF is a Philadelphia-area journalist. His latest book is "The Case for Impeachment" (St. Martin's Press, 2006). His work is available at www.thiscantbehappening.net.




If you are going to send thigs to the Townhalls

And have them target and beat African American and female protesters, then people are going to wear protection. Did you get your check from Soros this week, fascist whore? Bruce Majors Guillotine operator Anarcho-capitalist pledged to eliminating the tax predator ruling class and their media whores

Since Obama opposes 2nd Amendment

Carrying and displaying a gun in front of him is political speech, a protest, and becomes protected under the First Amendment as well as the Second. You lose.

Here's my question...

Recalling the "free speech zone" era of the last unlamented administration, why did none of the leftist/liberal/progressive protesters step out of said zone?

Yes, certainly it would have meant arrest, perhaps a beating at the hands of police but it would have shown active opposition to Bush II policies. Yet the only questioning of these "free speech zones" that I can remember was a piece by "The Daily Show's" Rob Corddry.

I seems to me the ideologically pure left was pretty compliant with requests by police agencies to be herded into these so-called "free speech zones" to conduct drum-rings and pantomimes with their giant puppets."No, what's more common for lefties is self-indulgent and vulgar. In my experience a lot of leftie demonstrators are more interested in drawing attention to themselves than in doing anything effective for the cause."What Happen to Free Speech Zones?, Barbara O'Brien, OpenSalon.com, August 9, 2009

At this forum Lindroff you have made your displeasure with the current nascent administration known in relation with you idee fixe on a single payer health care system. Toward that end you, and a considerable number on the ideologically pure left, are willing to throw the Democrats under the bus for a return to the halcyon days of Bill Clinton.

So Dave, while you and the rest of the ideologically pure left may not be thrilled with his policies or performance thus far at least give President Obama credit for showing more courage than the leftist "protesters" during Bush's administration or the gun totting reactionary cowards now showing up at town halls.

ET Spoon

Are you fucking blind?

The "Law" is terrified, petrified, horrified to be seen to be protecting a "negro" against the implicit threat of an armed white man. chuy! the cops are scared to be thought to be "ni66er-lovers" for protecting the president from the implicit threat of the lynch mob... cops have always collaborated in lynchings...

excellent post. May I add

that places like schools, being target-rich environments, increase the likelihood of foul play against children. That probability factors into the law.

absowhackinglutely

Thank you for addressing this. We spend so much time bending over backwards to appease the fragile feelings of these whackjobs that here we are in a situation where one spark could blow it all up. They WANT to be harassed & arrested, because then they could scream "See! Obama DOES want to take our guns!" Meanwhile my husband wants to strap his own arsenal to his body (does this remind you of anything?) and stand in a town-hall crowd with a t shirt reaing "Democrats have guns too." And what kind of "showdown" do we have then? As I understand it, the President sets policy for the Secret Service, and they do what they have to within the set parameters. (Granted, this is mostly from a West Wing episode, but the line sticks in my mind: "We would never let you not let us protect the President.") Why do we have a President who can act so fearlessly (if stupidly) in this regard & yet be so conciliatory -- all fluffy & "bipartisan" -- when it comes to appointing Cabinet seats & now backpedaling on single-payer health care? One remark Rachel Maddow wasn't able to address on "MTP" on Sunday -- when they noted that the President's numbers were slipping on health care, the reason is that he's losing the progressives. I worked so hard for this president to be elected, when I really wanted Congressman Kucinich. I'll tell you this -- Kucinich wouldn't have backed down on ANYTHING. With our solid majority? Screw bipartisanship. We will NEVER make them happy. This is the time for us to reach for the stars, to go for broke & do something to change this rotten system, and we're muddling around in parking lots watching these strutting little creeps all ready to water their stinking "trees" with somebody's blood -- mine? Yours? I am so sick of having my Constitution and my God co-opted by ignorant fanatics. Who has an answer? What can we do? Is this going to end in armed conflict? Or just a slaughter of the innocents?

"Am I crazy, or is this all

"Am I crazy, or is this all just nuts?"

This is all just nuts. You're fine.

Eventually someone will take a shot at Obama. The right will say, "See? The people are angry!" The ignorant worker ants will cheer!

Didn't you think that our fall down the rabbit hole ended when Bush went back to the ranch?

Instead, we apparently haven't even hit terminal velocity yet. We're still falling.

Am I crazy

Yes, Clemsy, we ARE still falling. And, every day it gets worse. How long CAN the Secret Service protect the President when armed people are permitted to wander around him? Not even "permitted" when his protection is overwhelmed. He seems to believe that capitulating to the screamers and the armed people will give him an opportunity to "lead" in a bipartisan way. Frankly, I wonder whether or not this black man, raised by white people in Hawaii, and who has experienced nothing but success with white people, truly comprehends the danger in which he places himself, his family, and the nation when he continuously, these days, gives in to them. I can only hope that Michelle, who well knows whites in America, can get it through his head that they indeed do wish to kill him....and her....and the kids. It is very frustrating to watch him walk into a trap.