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After the Saxby Chambliss win, Dems have to ask how they can win in the South

BE-ELECTED
by Chad Rubel

The Republican Party used to have a problem: how could they win in the South. They certainly knew why at some point: the Republicans were associated with Reconstruction after the Civil War. And for a long time, winning the South wasn't in the cards for the GOP.

Then the Civil Rights Act came along, and President Lyndon Johnson, who knew in signing the legislation that the Democrats would suffer in the South as a result, signed the bill. Johnson was right and only off in terms of how long it would last.

Yes, the 50-state strategy made the GOP nervous. Barack Obama won Virginia and North Carolina, and the Democrats picked up Senate seats there as well. But the Deep South is still crimson red. The Saxby Chambliss win last night in the special Georgia Senate run-off election is just further proof of this momentum.

So how can the Democrats make headway in the South? Keep picking away and hope in a generation or two to make some momentum of their own? Is there a big piece of legislation or other governmental action that can sway the South into the blue column? Let us know what you think.


How about...

by being democrats? By favoring the common man, by abandoning their elitist airs? By pushing for the well being of the oppressed and considering what their actions will reap. Promote small business, giving them advantages over large corporations; answer the lies that conservatives tell. Acknowledge that in the final analysis progressive means populist and restore that democrat means progressive. It doesn't (shouldn't) mean spit that one party vanquishes another if you can't tell them apart. Stop talking down to the south, it takes a lot of courage being progressive here, don't tar us all with the same large brush. And, as in so many other issues, stop attacking democrats and progressives of faith; you had a vibrant base of progressive Christian, Jews and Muslims in the seventies whom you alienated with your snide, arrogant remarks, so they went someplace else. It is easy to convince someone that someone is their enemy if they constantly abuse and ridicule them. You don't have to like us, and you sure don't have to agree, but accept us for who we are.

Good Point But......

It wouldn't work, Taxasathiest2. The reason: Because unlike the wimpy democrats who allow the repugs to get away with election fraud and preventing voters from casting their votes, the repugs would stand up and fight and not allow any of their votes to be taken away. In this situation, the democrats need to grow a spine. With this said, I DO think the democrats need to stop rolling over our their backs and allow the repugs to pound them with their lies. Instead, the democrats need to push back and expose some of the repugs garbage that they're feeding to the public. In the case of Max Cleland, when the repugs came out with their ad calling him "weak on terroism", he should have showed an ad of himself with two missing legs and one missing arm and explained that he left his limbs on the battlefield in Vietnam while Chambliss pulled every string in the book to avoid doing his "duty". Then ask the qestion, "If Chambliss was too chicken to fight for his country then, what makes you think he'll defend our country now?" Sort of the same idea, but not a lie. Heck, Bush certainly hasn't made our country safer.

Saxby

I live outside of Atlanta, GA. This is Bush-Palin-Chambliss territory. Reasoned debate and logic have no meaning here; it is like the twilight zone. This is a state that overwhelmingly elects people like Zell Miller to the governorship, Saxby Chambliss to the Senate and George Bush to the White House. In the rest of the country, George Bush may have a 22% approval rating, but here it is still at least 75%. Can the Democrats ever win here? Doubtful. Unless they're willing to become just like the Republicans, which means stealing votes while praising Jesus.

winning is everything?

If southern voters can't see their own best interests without extensive retraining and education, use the GOP's own tactics against them, ala Jiu-Jitsu. And there's nothing like unsupported rumor to get the ball rolling.. "The Sting"-- give'em plenty of rope... PARANOIA-- create headlines and rumors making GOP candidates think they're in hell... BUZZFLASH READERS: Please post these headlines on multiple websites and see what happens: "Whistleblowers Inside Chambliss Campaign Expose Fraud-- FBI Investigating" "FBI secretly interrogating Chambliss' family, barber, old friends" "Chambliss Win Exposes Vote Theft, Electronic Hacking, Vote Flipping" Chambliss Said to Testify Against Rove, Bush, Jeb in Election Theft: "...I had no choice..." Chambliss Scheduled to fly in small plane to Bermuda? "Drudge reveals secret sex deals with GA Prosecutor, Chambliss" "CIA Secretly Revokes Chambliss Security Clearance Without Explanation-- Tells Chambliss 'Everything's OK" "Heredity Research reveals Chambliss DNA link to Othello, Caligula, Herod, Simon Legree" Hidden Documents Reveal Chambliss' Father Said: "..I admit it. I loved Hitler..." Obama aide tells Chambliss, "Relax,Don't Worry" "Noted Psychiatrist Diagnoses Chambliss Fugue States,Paranoia, Break with Reality" "Chambliss Drinking Problem Subject of 1-hour Expose on PBS" "Surveillance Photos Reveal Chambliss Leaving Cuban Embassy" and on and on -- Kool, eh, Karl? "Karl Rove Secretly Flown to East European Prison for Extensive Interrogation by Gore Supporters-- If Rove Had Friends, They'd Be Worried" "Alito, Scalia, Roberts Dead from Radioactive Poison at Exclusive D.C. Restaurant Days Before Being Forced to Testify Before Grand Jury on 2000 Election Decision-- Details at 6" (Bon Apetit, GOP) Children of GOP Lawmakers Subject to Same Rate of Disease from Lead, Mercury, Pesticides as the Poor-- "..We thought we were not breathing the same air as poor people.."

Just Deny Rethugs The Right to Vote

just deny Rethugs their "right" to vote and contest their ballots like they do Dems.if they didnt sign their name like they did in the registration card throw their ballot out.. do them like they do Dems.intimidate the hell out of them.give them what they have given Dems.Put theior faces with Osama bin Laden on an ad like they did McCleland.fight, scratch,rip, snort..do anything to keep their vote from counting.pound on the door while the ballots are being counted like Tom Delay had his minions do in FL in 2000.let some "supreme" court justices Obama has appointed decide the outcome like in 2000. i think you get my point.Are you listening,Rethugs..whats good for the goose is good for the gander.Make Chambliss so mad he could eat dirt..Throw another camera in his face.Call him a whore like i do my senator Kay Bailey.make the rethugs eat their own dirt.

No Money

No more Federal Tax Dollars going to the Southern States until they clean up their elections. They are the most socialist, welfare States in our Union. They are right up there with Alaska for having their hands out and taking from those who make the money, and have become those who take the money. Get rid of all those machines and go back to the paper ballots and hand counting that the other big Democracy does, namely Canada. And have the UN send in observers to make sure that all of the people who want to vote, can without being harassed and that the counting of the votes is correct. Then we will see who actually wins. When the UN says it was a fair election, then we can maybe see our way to giving them a helping hand. You know, some of the that there Socialistic money. My West Coast Money. My Liberal Money.

I worked on Martin's campaign . . .

here in Georgia. Many days for the last couple of weeks our home was inundated by slickly produced mailings from PAC's and the Chambliss campaign. The airwaves were also swamped with his commercials. The mailings screamed that "liberals" wanted total control of Congress. There were so many lies and half-truths that I can't possible list them all here. All in all, the Republicans proved that any campaign can be won if you throw enough money at it and make sure to create fear in the voters if you opponent wins. I worked all day on Tuesday making phone calls to try and get the vote out and my son was out knocking doors for several hours. Democrats stayed home in droves, although I did talk to many voters who understood the need to give Pres.-elect Obama a chance to get some legislation through Congress. My husband says that problem is that Georgia has always been a one party state, rather like the old Soviet Union. So here I sit with neither a Representative or a Senator who will represent my interests in Congress. I appreciate the fact that DNC Chair Howard Dean worked to build up the state parties, but the Obama group felt he was wasting resources on hopeless cases. I suppose that means with Dean on the way out and Barack Obama heading the party, we're going to have to move to another state to find a local Democratic Party with backbone. I guess I should get packing. Then the South can secede again and I won't care

Winning in Georgia

Two necessary ways to win in Georgia: The DNC needs to continue its 50 state strategy, and the Democratic President and Congress need to govern well, no, exceptionally well -- so exceptionally well that even some Crackers will notice. What else can you do except cheat or appeal to their racism and Christianist mis-beliefs? That is the game of the other side and, hopefully, we'd rather lose than play the game the Filthy Shameless Chambliss way. How do you spell low life? C-H-A-M-B-L-I-S-S.

Win in Georgia?

Georgia is the most crooked electoral state in the country. To fix that, see to it that anyone qualified to register to vote can register. Then allow all registered voters a vote. Cast paper ballots and count them all. That's how to win in Georgia or any place else.

I wonder..is this Chambliss win

the same as his last win against Max Cleland..? Could they (RNC) be so stupid, in Georgia as to cheat again...with a Democratic President, and Congress? If they cheated (again) and are caught...well...?

Vote flipping

There was an ad on page 2 of Monday, December 1 Atlanta-Journal Constitution stating that the Cleland defeat in 2002 occurred due to a software patch installed on some Diebold voting machines in Democratic precincts which flipped the votes for Chambliss. There have only been whispers of such things on Progressive website, but no official inquiry. The ad was run by a Progressive website called Velvet[something].us. It would be nice if things like this didn't just die out.

Winning the South should be easy

Just dump all the "voting machines" and let the voters vote. Also, hire a third party (possibly someone from OUTSIDE the U.S.), to count the votes.

This strategy would have been very helpful in the year 2000. It would have saved us from two (that we know of) unnecessary wars, countless international embarrassments, and the 6 years long recession that was just announced the other day. Actually, they should have said “depression”, naming it for what it is. They just can’t stop lying, can they?

Who can tell for sure they haven’t been lying about the runoff election results?