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McCain Now Obsessed with Joe the Plumber: The Final Debate

MARK KARLIN'S EDITOR'S BLOG

October 16

Well, someone gave McCain a V-8 shot for the Third Debate.

John no longer appeared to be looking around for his imaginary dog, Mr. Puddles, as Jon Stewart described his wandering behavior in the second debate. Indeed, although repetitive and often meandering, he did appear for the first time to be in full control of his faculties during the third debate.

Yet, McCain's repetitive lines from previous debates and his creepy split-screen appearance made him easy prey for an Obama frequently smiling in amusement at McCain's attempts to distract from discussion of the economic crisis facing Americans.

Politicians frequently exaggerate and lie, but McCain has brought this tendency to a new threshold, in which almost his entire campaign is based on deception and dishonesty.

As usual, Obama answered the questions and parried McCain's unusually aggressive attacks with calm, persuasive answers, looking once again more presidential and in control.

When the much-awaited McCain Ayers and ACORN assault on Obama emerged about a third of the way through the debate, Obama calmly responded and defused the charges, despite McCain's attempts to eat up more time discussing the ludicrously fatuous assaults on Obama's character.

Obama won once again, although McCain definitely was more energized and coherent. But McCain was long on cliches, self-righteousness and cheap shots. Obama, on the other hand, spoke to the needs of the middle class and addressed questions with answers that were clear and loaded with specifics.

McCain started the evening obsessed with "Joe the Plumber," a small business owner that Obama had encountered in Ohio the other day. This was clearly the McCain campaign's effort to identify with the middle class, but McCain overplayed his hand with Joe, and ended up sounding calculated and obssessive (the latter being one of his trademarks).

In retrospect, looking at the YouTube coverage of Joe the Plumber's approach to Obama in Ohio, it may have been a McCain campaign set-up for the debate. In fact, it appears highly likely. You can watch the Obama-Joe the Plumber encounter here. It created a lot of fodder for McCain that appears entirely too coincidental. Unfortunately for the McCain camp, most viewers, we suspect, didn't even know the story of Joe the Plumber, and, therefore, it remained pretty much an inside the campaign gambit that just confused people.

In the end, although the third debate had a number of sparks, particularly as McCain often interrupted Obama, it seemed more like the denouement than a game changer.

McCain set up a clearer conservative argument, but it's a losing argument this year.

Paul Begala said on CNN that McCain's reaction shots were a disaster for him.

And indeed, McCain's intemperate irritation seemed to be ready to burst out at any moment, and he probably lost a lot of independents with his high-octane negativity.

There's a fine line between passion and irritableness, and McCain did everything but bite his nails to keep from crossing over into anger.

If this were an even race, McCain would have come out losing little and perhaps gaining some. But in not winning a lot, McCain lost big in a campaign that is so far behind.

MARK KARLIN'S EDITOR'S BLOG

BuzzFlash Note:  We can't help both laughing and feeling the need to clarify the McCain camp deception on "Joe the Plumber," (not that it worked in the debate). One, Joe talked about buying a business making $250,000 dollars or more a year.   What this means is Joe is no middle class plumber.  He is now out of the middle class and he is a "flat taxer" to boot. (Remember Steve Forbes.) 

In fact, Joe, we at BuzzFlash would like the income from your new business and we'll pay our fair share for people earning more than $250,000 a year. In return, you can have our income and our tax bracket.

But Joe's question was a set-up.  A pro-McCain blogger claims that Joe is the relative of the son-in-law of Charles Keating. If this is true, does the McCain camp amateur sleaziness get any lower than this? And they can't even pull it off to fool the middle class because McCain mauled the "Joe the Plumber" anecdote in the third debate. What bunglers.


Obama-McCain Debates

I didn't watch this debate on TV, but listened to it on the radio so I didn't see a lot of things of which all of you are speaking. It is quite different to listen to what the candidates have to say (words) and the voice nuances behind the words. Whoever said McCain was controlling his anger was dead on. It could be heard in his voice. I also think listening to it was a lot less boring than watching TV. I watched about half the first debate on TV, and found it to be boring after the first 45 minutes. I also thought it was an interesting comment that one person here noticed the color of mccains pupils. It sounds like they were abnormally dialated. Also, since the debate was aired on TV, the lights are very bright (and hot) so his pupils should have been constricted to allow less light. There are some drugs which dialate and some that constrict so whoever mentioned that he might have taken stimulating drugs could also be correct. I wonder if the general voting public has the same kind of awareness that the commentors here have. I wonder about the general voting public, particularly, after 59 million of them voted for dubya a second time. I don't think the interest, knowledge and general curiosity is too great in the general voting public. I find it scary after the eight years. I just hope (and pray, sometimes) that maybe they are finally opening their eyeballs, and minds, as to what another four to eight years of the dumbya policies would render.

Eloquence NOT...

Chippy the Chipmunk (aka McSame) repeatedly attacked Senator Obama's (aka Senator Government by McSame) eloquence during the debate. Given him opening that door, I think it's fair to apply that lens to McSame as well.

Am I the only one who noticed how many times McSame screwed up verbally or grammatically? I noticed this started about a quarter of the way into the debate. By the half way point I found myself wondering "What the hell is wrong with him, why all the verbal screw-ups?". It left me wondering if there was something medically wrong (past mini-strokes perhaps), or as another poster has suggested, that maybe he was (or is) on drugs that addle his brain and effected his speaking abilities. Of course another possibility is that his anger or frustration had him so worked up that he was focusing most of his mental energy on containing that beast, and there wasn't much left to manage higher brain functions...

Personally I would rather have a President who IS eloquent, as opposed to one who simply cannot speak correctly due to either his anger or frustration, or some 'other' reason be it related to his age, health, or medication he might be taking. Boy I'd really like a peek at his medical records...

Theories I have seen

About his dilated pupils mention belladonna extract or atropine to keep him wide awake and alert when he is up that much past his bed time and that many hours after his early bird dinner at 4:30pm. That would explain why he was so agitated that he couldn't sit still during the town hall debate.

they won't steal it.......

au contaire....they're not going to clean up the mess they've made....this election stinks to high heaven....isn't it possible......that this is an orchestrated LOSS???????....isn't it possible......that they are scheming.......hmmmmm???? I think....the disaster that is McCain (ugh, one of the two loathsome senators in my state) This disaster..........is very deliberate........they're gonna lose it on purpose....they won't steal this one...why would they even wanna clean up the mess they've made? Unless we get a filibuster proof congress....and unless folks show some patience (most revolts occur when expectation exceeds results).....AND the ARREST and indictment of those criminals who did this to us....unless those arrests come down (can't arrest yet....NO PARDONS can be allowed ala Libby) Geez.....hope the courts aren't too stacked already......... If those circumstances are not in place.......those criminals will sit like wolves stalking a herd of sheep....for the next four years............and if things aren't better........they'll blame it all on the Democrats AGAIN.... Beware, indeed.... God speed Obama.....go get 'em...... As for theft...where to look for that....scattered everywhere this time......watch the House races......that's what we have to watch.....because they know you expect them to steal the White House THIS time.....smoke and mirrors folks....shell games....

McCain was wearing his Halloween mask. He's a phony!

Noticeably, Obama refrained from bringing up McCain's unethical behavior as one of the "Keating 5" senators accepting graft during the Lincoln Savings & Loan cover-up and eventual bail-out in the '70s. I thought that might have been of more significance than the radical activities of Ayers back when Obama was 8 years old, which must have been about the same general era. Over all, McCain's "attacks" and challenges were much ado about nothing, sort of like the building facades of small towns in the Old West. All of the facts and substance of the debate came from Obama. McCain is a phony. If he gets his hands on the commander-in-chief job, he will soon forget Joe the Plumber and devote himself totally to bullying/attacking Iran, Lieberman at his side, and cutting capital gains for the ultra-wealthy. Too bad Obama couldn't have made some reference to how the Bush-McCain crowd was trying to privatize Social Security a while back, which would have allowed working people to put some of their S.S. payments into the good old Stock Market!

Litmus Test

John McCain stated he would not have a "litmus test" in appointing Supreme Court justices, that he would consider nominees only according to "judicial ability".

But a judge who agrees with Roe v Wade doesn't have "judicial ability". Pardon me, but isn't that a litmus test? McCain contradicted himself within the same answer.

Hey Joe The Plumber...

REGISTER TO VOTE for god's sake!!! Ben Smith reports that Joe the Plumber is not registered to vote!! http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/The_Joe_file.html

250,000 bucks a year

Companies are only taxed on their profit not gross revenue. That is the attraction of owning a company. You can hide income in your expenses. If Joe the plumber is netting 250k This is not a small business.

Right

Using average profit rates, to net a 250k profit would mean $4 million in revenue. I believe the feds consider a "small" business to be one with less than 500 employees.

Cranky gramps needs his meds

I could not help but feel while watching the debate that MadCain reminded me of some cranky old man in a retirement home who is snarling at everyone around him as he is waiting for his evening meds. Can anyone seriously consider that unstable old crank as a possible president of the US?

NOW IF I MAY INRODUCE DUDE THE RANDOM DOGSLED GUY

hey... it could happen...

McCain not in full control of faculties

I disagress with the statement: "he did appear for the first time to be in full control of his faculties during the third debate". There was McCain's slip when he tried to say "breath of fresh air" in reference to Palin. Instead he said "bresh of freath..." and then caught slip. How about when he insisted Obama would give a fee to Joe the plumber and still not say how much. Obama quickly answered "no fine". McCain said, "Really?" McCain looked dumbfounded. Plus there were McCain's eyebrow raisings and exasperated sighs. Aside from McCain's inability to stay on topic and speak coherently and concisely, these are a few examples to show McCain was not in control of his faculties or the debate. Thus, compounded by Obama's coherent, brilliant, resilient and assertive performance, Obama really scored a knockout. Finally, aside from performance and skills, Obama continues to conduct himself as a statesman and McCain continues to be condescending and shallow.

Is it just my TV?

Or does JohnMccain's eye color always look like black holes? I'm serious here, got a high def tv for my b-day, and I'm enthralled with tv people's skin pores and eye color. So what's up with his pupils. I thought he had blue eyes. No, really, I'm serious. Resistance IS Required Faith Carr

Joe the Plumber

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7474700 Joe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher related to Charles Keating. Oops. October 16th, 2008 . by Marty John McCain did great tonight in the debate. But every time John mentioned “Joe the Plumber,” some of us in the campaign banged our heads against the wall. If Steve Schmidt had any hair left, I hear he would have been pulling it out tonight. He reportedly screamed at John’s debate prep team tonight (out of earshot of reporters, of course). “You idiots - he’s related to Charles Keating… of the Keating Five scandal!” They thought they had a real live Joe Six-Pack who’s spurned Barack Obama’s tax plan. But what they forgot to do was check on Joe Wurzelbacher’s background. Turns out that Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who’s Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating’s son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years. Does any of this make Joe the Plumber a bad guy? Of course not. But on a night when McCain accused Obama of guilt-by-association, this isn’t going to look good for us. Hello, but on a night when John goes full bore on William Ayers and dodges a bullet by Obama not mentioning Keating Five, the press is going to bring it back front and center by midday tomorrow once they delve deeper into the most popular plumber in America. This might remind you of the Paris Hilton scandal - where one side of the McCain campaign attacked her in an ad, not realizing that her family were huge donors. I was the first to warn the campaign of the perils of miscommunication, and that story flared for a week. http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/16/joe-the-plumber-wurzelbacher-related-to-charles-keating-oops/

Who He Should Have Picked

Maybe they should have picked someone more likely to make the $250k. Like Sally the Stripper.

Obama By A Landslide Will Do It For Us

Why? Because there'll be an umbrella effect that'll give us an overwhelmingly Democratic Congress, including a filibuster-proof Senate. Which means we'll have a chance at pressuring Obama & Congress into quickly ending the Iraq War, negotiating with Iran plus turning things around here at home. Impossible? Yes we can!

Joe Six Pack, you're rich.

Joe Six Pack, you're rich. Where is the Joe Six Pack that is rich? Way to connect - as only an extremely out of touch person could. McCain was an embarrassment, he has no charm, no grace, McCain has a very un-attractive smile. Barack Obama was magnificent.

Here's Johnny

Are you kidding me? I expected McCain to jump out of his chair any minute with an ax and hack through Bob Schieffer to get to Obama yelling, "Here's Johnny!" The man is not only angry, he is deranged and can barely control himself. In a fight you have to keep your cool. If you lose your temper you will probably lose. Debate score: Obama 3; McCain 0. Series over.

The Final Debate

McCain gave his best performance of the three debates tonight. But, too little too late. His aggresiveness sparked himself up to a point. Then, when he insisted on attacking Obama's character by going on and on and on about his terrorist connections, he lost everyone. We, Obama supporters, must continue to do what we have done all along: get the vote out! From the beginning, it has always been about getting people to the polls and, as it was in the beginning, so it is now! We will overwhelm these suckers! Plan to spend your election day getting everyone you know and don't know out to the polls. I noted McCain's threatening tone re: the Acorn connection. Republicans plan to challenge the votes in every state they can get away with it. Are we prepared this year? YES! WE are! Turn out, watch out, be prepared!

Hey McCain, What About Jane the Plumber?!

indynj What a wonderful choice McCain would impose on Jane the Plumber, her death or adoption of her baby by a wealthy family like his. I guess it never occurred to McCain that more women may choose to keep their babies if they could afford to take care of them. How about equal pay! What a callous cretin. Under the McCain plan, Jane the Plumber gets the discriminatory womb tax.

If McCain cannot be calm and coherent sitting next to Obama...

how can we expect him to be calm and coherent as President sitting next to a leader of Russia, Venezuela, or, for that matter, Spain (!) and making crucial negotiations on behalf of our country? The scariest thought rolling through my head (other than smashing creepy grinning Grampa through my TV screen) was this stuck-in-the-past, apparently medicated, warmonger representing the United States to the rest of the world. The question is which man would move forward as President and repair the damage done by the current administration. The answer is, "Not McCain."

DON'T YOU REMEMBER????

mcDIPSTICK was in a South American country (I forget which) at a "diplomatic meeting" of some sort and went Cybil on a guy, grabbing him by the collar and roughing him up. He had to be restrained. What do you think he'll do if he thinks he can get away with as much as dumbya???? Agreed - the answer is NOT mcDIPSTICK!

I didn't remember...

until you reminded me. The truth is that I have always paid as little attention as possible to him because I have always thought he was not a good guy - going back to the days when he was a POW. I remember what he did then and was appalled at how he spun it into gold to keep him gliding along. Can't stand him, never have, never will.

mcDIPSTICK being lucid

I noticed mcDIPSTICK being a lot more lucid in this "debate", but I also noticed in the split screen that the voices in his head had not quite been muted with the drugs his handlers must have given him to make it through the debate in a labotomized fashion. mcDIPSTICK is toast, and so is the DIPSTICK with lipstick. The only way they can pull this one out of the pooper is with more election theft. And after 3 - they are professionals at it now. Beware.

please use the name he hates JOHN THE BUSH REPUBLICAN MCCAIN..

yes