Conspiratorially Speaking: United Flight 93 and 9/11

Forensic evidence of nano thermate in all three towers. The Anthrax came from Maryland. Who are you working for? Not us.

It appears that indeed the flight 93 was downed by a missile. Rumsfeld in one of his 'easy' moments said so. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9MD15qs5s Bush talked, not once but twice, about his having seen the first plane hitting the tower. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm73wOuPL60&feature=related There were put options on the airline companies. There was Silverstein saying 'let us pull it'. The impossibility of WTC 7 collapse has so far not been explained by NIST. The commission has not commented how a 47-storey tower collapsed in its footprint in 10 seconds with minor fires. The pictures of a plane (?) hitting Pentagon were confiscated by the Govt. Bush and Cheney refused to be quizzed separately. There were so may contradictions that no sane person can accept the Govt's story. But you still say, 'it is not an inside job'. Why ? No answer.

"We have often taken issue with the 9/11 Truth Movement because it takes the fact that there are many unanswered questions about 9/11 and tries to answer them with often bizarre speculation. 9/11 was not an inside job, but it was something that probably could have been prevented in August of 2001 if Bush and Rice had listened to a CIA warning about Al-Qaeda preparing hijackings in the U.S. But Bush and Rice did nothing -- absolutely nothing -- to put airports on a heightened security alert." Mark, When has the Bush Administration ever been truthful and honest with the American people? I realize that you are afraid of being killed with Anthrax poisoning or some other dastardly fate if you endorse the 9/11 Truth Movement. If you aren't afraid, then you should be since you are in good company with Amy Goodman, Greg Palast and Bill Moyers all staying away from the 9/11 Truth Movement with a ten foot pole. Unfortunately, I have personal experience with 9/11. I exited the North Tower onto Liberty St. at 8:30am on 9/11/2001. There wasn't a cloud in the sky and I remember that moment as if it was 5 minutes ago. When I saw the North Tower burning from the plane crashing into its side, all I could think of was, "Where was the US Air Force?" After I watched from my desk the second plane crash into the South Tower, my building was evacuated and I headed straight home and away from danger and away from the burning WTC Towers. For you see, I was on my day off in 1993 when the North Tower was previously bombed. I don't believe in testing fate. I was happy to be alive and to go on with my life. I am truly sorry for all the victims of 9/11 who lost their lives. But I was not one to volunteer to destroy my health by helping in the "rescue effort" following 9/11. As it turned out, I still suffered burning blood-shot eyes for 3 months following 9/11 from all the fallout from the fires that burned for weeks following the implosions of Buildings 1, 2 and 7. As a victim of 9/11, I can never agree with you, Mark. This country will never be the same until the truth of 9/11 is exposed. Let me remind you that the Newspaper Consortium was to report their findings on 9/11 of the actual vote count in Florida on November 7, 2000. Had the Corporate Media been honest, they would have reported, what all of us know, that Al Gore won the 2000 election, including Florida, despite all the ballot box stuffing and purged voter registrations. You see, 9/11 was much more than the murder of 3000+ Americans, it was also the second half of the plot to destroy American Democracy by George w Bush and his cadre of University of Chicago Leo Strauss-trained Neocons. Following a public trial, George W Bush and Dick Cheney should be incarcerated for their crimes against the American People, as appropriate. This is far milder than what Italian partisans did when they hung Benito Mussolini on April 28, 1945. Thank G-d that George W Bush and Dick Cheney have only been responsible for the death of 7,000+ Americans and 100,000's of Iraqis. It could be worse if Bush/Cheney have their way and they bomb Iran. It is long overdue that American leaders who commit war crimes be convicted and sentenced for their crimes. That Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger were allowed to murder heads of foreign states for the gain of their campaign contributors is an outrage. Wouldn't America be a much better place if the fog of 9/11 were lifted from all our lives? p.s. Could Bush and the Supreme Court stolen the 2000 election without the tacit support of the Corporate Media? If Bush had total control of the Corporate Media to steal an election, how can anyone doubt that Bush had total control of the Corporate Media to propagandize the events of 9/11 to fit the crazy conspiracy theory that George W Bush espoused following the destruction on 9/11. I repeat, where was the United State Air Force on 9/11 to protect the air space of New York City and Washington, DC?

Mr. Karlin: On a scale of 1 to 10, where would you put the likelihood that Cheney's "difficult decision" story is a shadow thrown over Secretary Mineta's testimony that the 9/11 Commission saw fit to omit from their Report and scrub from their video archives? http://www.911truthmovement.org/video/hamilton_win.wmv Mineta: "During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President...the plane is 50 miles out...the plane is 30 miles out....and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president "do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said "Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!??" Mr. Karlin, the hour is very late. You and your brave "progressive" opposition have failed to force impeachment of a President and Vice-President who even boast of ordering torture. All involved are war criminals according to US and International Law. The only reason the US public tolerates this fascist outrage is the mind-rape of 9/11 and the corporate media's complicit silence. "Incompetence" and "difficult decisions"? Is this really the best you can do?

Re: The 5/12 editorial by Mark Karlin: Conspiratorially Speaking: United Flight 93 and 9/11 I agree with the readers comments offering copious details supporting the obvious need for a new independent investigation into 9/11. I am sick of the snarky, ad hominem attacks against people who are desperately trying to get the American people to educate themselves about the anomalies surrounding the government's 9/11 myth based conspiracy theory vs. science based investigations conducted by patriotic architects, engineers, physicists, pilots, and clear thinking people from around the world. I have been a frequent visitor to Buzz Flash , but I will no longer offer support by purchasing premiums if there is not equal space (including headline) given to an expert like Richard Gage from Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth or Prof. David Ray Griffin to rebut Mr. Karlin’s editorial.

http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2008/05/bush-accessory-before-fact-of-mass.html He makes the main points in simple terms as follows "Bushies might wish we would forget WTC7 about which Larry Silverstein himself said 'it was pulled'. Certainly, no airliner hit it. The dinky fires were unimpressive, less inflammatory than the rhetoric describing them. Even if the kerosene had damaged and caused the twin tower fires, that was not the case at WTC7. So --why did WTC7 collapse if not from dinky, unimpressive, fires here and there? Occam's Razor demands the common sense conclusion: it was 'pulled' and therefore prepared weeks, possibly months, in advance! Just as Silverstein said it was. This bears repeating: if WTC7 was pulled, then the official conspiracy theory is nonsense.... It is Bush's job to prove the OFFICIAL conspiracy theory involving some 19 Arabs who were most certainly not capable of piloting any aircraft of any size, seizing control of four large airliners armed only with box cutters. Reams can be written in refutation of this absurd theory, but it is enough, here, to point out its absurdity on its face. ..Whenever a 100 ton airliner crashes anywhere at anytime for any reason, there is left behind some 100 tons of debris. The debris found at the Pentagon could have been carted off in several hand-toted wheelbarrows. Airliners of any size do not vaporize nor do they pop into parallel universes, worm holes or rabbit holes. It's time to get fuckin' real, folks! Bushies think you are too stupid to get wise to them. The Space Shuttle Columbia crashed into the Stratosphere at some 24,000 MPH, yet left identifiable debris and body parts over three states. Unlike Flight 93, that wreckage was recovered and identified. It did not get sucked into another dimension nor did it shape-shift into a tiny hole... Buzzflash would do well to represent fairly the positions of the 911 truth movement as a whole. Buzzflash would do well to consider the implications of the Bush administration's order to sell off WTC steel to China, for example, an act that makes Bush --prima facie --an accessory to mass murder after the fact! The destruction of that evidence alone should have been enough to land Bush in the dock in a Federal Courtroom. Now --my position is that innocent folk rarely cover up capital crimes nor have an interest in doing so. The cover up of capital crimes is something that is invariably done by those who commit them!" Additional resources Accessory Before the Fact: Bush ordered military to stand down on 9/11 Ex Bush Official: Controlled Demolition Destroyed Twin Towers The Official Conspiracy Theory is Fraudulent and Unbelievable

The Flight Data Recorders from both 93 and 77 are HIGHLY unusual in that neither have serial numbers that positively identify them with the aircraft they are said to have come out of. This is public knowledge and undisputed. The NTSB records show no serial numbers for these FDR's. This is HIGHLY unusual in that all but one other crash, besides 93 and 77, in the past 20 or so years is without an identifying serial number on its FDR. Without these serial numbers to match with FAA records of other serial numbers of components of the aircraft, there is no way to with certainty say these are the correct FDR's. Without positive identification of the aircraft, or of the FDR's, there is no way with certainty to say 93 or 77 are even the aircraft that crashed. To ignore the issue of positively identifying the aircraft, assuming it is already common knowledge, is unscientific, in denial of rules of evidence and due process, intellectually lazy. The FOIA request that has been initiated, and is working its way through the courts on appeal, has revealed that the FBI and FAA, in the FBI's words, has no records to release. They dispute that records positively identifying the aircraft exist, or that they will release them. Aidan Monahan has documented the proceedings of his case very well at 911Blogger. BuzzFlash should honestly look at the court documents. (There might be a story in that somewhere.) I have not been a reader of Buzzflash. That the editor unequivocally says, "9/11 was not an inside job," is an unauspicious start for my becoming familiar with the site. Whether the editor arrives at this opinion through a lack of intellectual curiousity, courage, or effort, I can't say. But as a 52 year old, degreed Chemist, I must take issue with so bold a statement. The internal contradictions in the official explanation of September 11 are so great and not easily dismissed when looked at with an unjaundiced eye, the official "surprise" theory of the attacks shows dissembling and obfuscation of obvious facts in nearly every facet of what we know took place that day. The lack of military response to the hijackings (70 to 120 interceptions per year in the ten years prior). Foreknowledge of the collapse of the three towers within the hour of the first plane strike, 118 eyewitnesses to explosions throughout the buildings, all from the Oral Histories taken by the New York City Fire Department collected from the relatively fresh recollections of firefighters, emt's, emergency workers within the months immediately following. How and why did WTC 7 collapse, and why is it completely missing from the final 9/11 Commission report? (...with the destruction of critical records regarding the Enron energy scam in California, WorldCom and other SEC cases under investigation.) Cheney's presence in the bunker at around 9:20, the young man questioning orders, Mineta's testimony, the Commission contradicting Cheney himself, Clarke, Rice, Mineta saying he didn't arrive until 9:58, well after the exchange with the young man. The financial transactions that took place in the days prior to the attack, as well as those, totaling in the billions of dollars of transfers of Treasury notes on the morning of the attacks, even as the attacks were in progress, through WTC computers. How can the editor say with such certainty it was not an inside job, when so many enormous questions have been actively prevented from being answered. At the very least, a more circumspect response would be to agree more investigation is needed to answer the important contradictions that have arisen out of the attempts by the government to explain what happened. The certain, off-handed statement, 9/11 was not an inside job, shows a lack of circumspection. I'm not impressed.

I'm disappointed in Mark for thinking that, at worst, Bush allowed the incident to occur. It's pretty OBVIOUS that the whole thing was a sham, Mark, if you do any research at all. But don't worry, you're not the only one. As a previous poster noted:"It seems that Democracy Now, Buzzflash, Truthdig, Huffington Post, Daily Kos, Bill Maher, Matt Rothschild, David Corn, and Alternet are just too concerned about their image and not concerned enough with the truth." Sad but true. Nonetheless, you do a great job.

It is almost unbelievable that the editor of a liberal outlet like Buzzflash has so little curiosity about the worst terrorist attack on US soil. The Internet is teeming with information, much of it well researched and articulate and no one in his position should be so ignorant. Indeed, the entire liberal media has given Bush and Cheney a free pass on 9/11. The idea that 9/11 truthers have "bizarre" or "unsubstantiated" ideas is repeated endlessly in the media, but tellingly, no examples of these "bizarre" ideas are ever given. Of course not, because if you look at the ideas for even a brief time it soon becomes abundantly clear that the official story is a crock of horse manure and we've been lied to at every turn. It seems that Democracy Now, Buzzflash, Truthdig, Huffington Post, Daily Kos, Bill Maher, Matt Rothschild, David Corn, and Alternet are just too concerned about their image and not concerned enough with the truth. Yes, the powers behind 9/11 have worked mightily, through their propaganda channels, to portray "conspiracy theorists" as unshaven, unemployed, unattractive, uneducated, irrational ranters and ravers, who are mentally unstable. The great crime of Mark Karlin and his liberal brethren is believing it. Sheila Casey http://www.sheilacasey.com

After viewing the pictures from Shanksville there is no way anyone with half a brain could say that6 plane crashed. If you look at pictures from other crash sites you would see the difference. There was no wreckage, seats,luggage, bodies etc.

It has been established, without any denial, that Dick Cheney was running a completely separate chain of Command & Control via the Secret Service on 9/11, and was the acting Commander in Chief on that morning. The Air Force was conducting drills on the morning of the attacks, simulating attacks on buildings in the Trade Center area by hijacked planes. How much coincidence are Americans willing to accept? There are many reasons someone would order the destruction of Flight 93 - especially if it was the plane originally meant to hit Tower 7....for starters. Giving Cheney kudos for anything on that day is a surrender to the forces that have taken over the nation since the 9;11 'attacks' and have told the most outrageously flawed and fictitious account of the events of that day in their 'official story.' Please read this and think: 9/11 in Perspective : Flight 93 and WTC7 http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=573

Cayman Islands......... Two weeks before the hijackings, an anonymous letter sent to a Cayman Islands radio station warned that three men there might be involved with Bin Laden in preparing "a major terrorist act against the U.S. via an airline or airlines." Of course duly passed on to D.C..... Source: (Los Angeles Times September 20, 2001) “Officials Told of 'Major Assault' Plans Inquiry: U.S. authorities were advised in August that as many as 200 terrorists were coming to U.S. as part of plot.” By RICHARD A. SERRANO and JOHN-THOR DAHLBURG, Times Staff Writers.......... Jordan.......... Jordan advised US and allied intelligence that Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda terrorists were preparing airborne terrorist operations in the continental United States......... Source: Christian Science Monitor, May 23 2002) “OTHER UNHEEDED WARNINGS BEFORE 9/11?” By John K. Cooley........... Germany........... In June 2001, German intelligence warned the US, Britain, and Israel that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft and use them as weapons to attack “American and Israeli symbols which stand out.” Within the American intelligence community, “the warnings were taken seriously and surveillance intensified” but “there was disagreement on how such terrorist attacks could be prevented.” This warning came from Echelon, a spy satellite network that is partly based in Germany...... Source: (Washington Post, Sunday, May 19, 2002; Page A09) “Clues Pointed to Changing Terrorist Tactics - Foiled Plots, FBI Data Showed Al Qaeda Groups Might Use Airplanes as Missiles” By Steve Fainaru.......... Egypt....... In late July 2001, Egyptian intelligence received a report from an undercover agent in Afghanistan that “20 al-Qaeda members had slipped into the US and four of them had received flight training on Cessnas.” To the Egyptians, pilots of small planes didn’t sound terribly alarming, but they passed on the message to the CIA anyway, fully expecting Washington to request information. “The request never came.” Given that there were 19 hijackers and four pilots (who trained on Cessnas) in the 9/11 plot, one might think this would now be a big news item. But in fact, the information has only appeared as an aside in a CBS “60 Minutes” show about a different topic..... Source: [CBS, 10/9/02]..... Russia......... Russian President Vladimir Putin publicly stated that he ordered his intelligence agencies to alert the US in the summer of 2001 that suicide pilots were training for attacks on US targets. The Russian newspaper Izvestia claimed that Russian intelligence agents knew the participants in the attacks, and: “More than that, Moscow warned Washington about preparation for these actions a couple of weeks before they happened.” ...... Source: Izvestia (September 12, 2001)...... These are only the ones we heard about. How many more were out there we haven't heard about?.......... Don't forget... Phoenix FBI warning..... Minnesota FBI warning and request for investigation which was flatly turned down. MN FBI agencts said they felt like bin Laden was running our intelligence, they were so frustrated.......... How many billions annually do we pay to prevent these types of things? At least 100 billion. Chance for us to screw this up on a $100 billion annual budget...0%........ (All the above warnings were free.)....... Who gained from 9-11? You already know that. How much more do you need to see?.....Do you need the ex-Italian Prime minister to come right out and say it was a Mossadd/CIA operation? Because if you do, he already did. He recently told that to the biggest Italian Newspaper he could find. He is an ex-heavy-weight European intelligence source. Please do some more reading or thinking for yourself before you post any more stupid stuff like your column above - it just seems very ridiculous to me. I like your website but this commentary of yours is like nails on a chalkboard to me. Selah

I have read Buzzflash faithfully for at least two years and contributed on several occasions to your fundraising campaigns. Alas, your cavalier and wholesale dismissal (without even the slightest attempt to justify that dismissal)of the possibility that the government could be knowingly involved in the collapse of the World Trade Center--especially Building Seven--leads me to question your intellectual objectivity. As a consequence, Mark, the next time you beg your readership for funds to keep you going, I will have to pass, though I have contributed several times in the past. Until I see some evidence that you are willingly to, at the very least, entertain the possibility that high level government leaders were involved in the New York catastrophe (it has happened before in the history of the world--see Rumsfeld and Cheney on WMD) I'm going to have to pass on your pleadings for financial support. After all, disagreement is one thing, and a very good thing, but denial without even an attempt to support that denial is quite another.

The litmus test I use in contributing to a website is its stand on 9/11. buzzflash has consistently refused to face the facts on 911. It is therefore, despite its progressive leanings, part of the problem. Mike Ruppert said it best. "Don't give money to people who lie to you". You want a contribution? Tell the truth about 911. At a minimum put the work of David Ray Griffin on the site and do reprints of Mike Ruppert (who was driven into hiding) and bring in discussion about false flag operations like Operation Gladio, Operation Northwoods, and articles like the former Italian Prime Minister who categorically state that 911 was and inside job. The exposure of 911 would finally expose the fact long stated by General Smedley Butler. "War is a Racket". For starters, watch this. http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/237.html

Thank you, Buzzflash, for stating unhysterically that we don't need wacky theories to question the offical explanation of 9/11. The most charitable thing I can say about the administration's behavior is that they were apparently so arrogant and so determined to be the opposite of Clinton that they totally dismissed every bit of useful information that was passed to them during the transition. The most charitable thing I can say about them is that they could not be bothered to even try to avert the attacks of 9/11. That is what I thought in the first six months after 9/11. As it became clear that Bush and Cheney were determined to keep their actions surrounding that day and on that day shrouded in secrecy; as it became clear that they did not truly care about U.S. security because Bush did none of the normal things a responsible leader would do to protect the public after such a heinous act: He did not secure nuclear plants, ports, mass transportation, the food supply, nor the borders; and as it became clear that they were bound and determined to invade Iraq for no good reason because of that day, I began to think that they were, at a minimum, very happy that 9/11 had occurred. Regardless of what their intentions and state of mind were regarding this act, there is plenty of evidence that there were strong warnings about an attack and they did not lift a finger. Moreover, Bush worked very hard to subvert the efficacy of the 9/11 Commission and got away without testifying under oath. Bush and Cheney should be held accountable for this terrible terrorist act that happened on their watch.

The US is a democracy accountable to the people. It is not an episode of American Idol where people get to vote on what laws of physics apply or whether or not the public is entitled to know what happened on 9/11. Why do you hold the American people in such contempt? Why do you implicitly accept one account without independent investigation? This is bizarre, a complete betrayal of journalistic integrity.

About UA93 you should think on this: the hole in the ground was only 75' wide yet the wings were 125' wide. There is also no ground marking consistent with a tail impact. Yet the plane is alleged to have crashed upside down. Who are you going to believe, me or your own damned lying eyes? ...here and here

There never was any substitute for an independent investigation of 9/11 and the crash of UA93. There still is no substitute for such an inquiry. Well-intentioned editorials on the murder of 3,000 Americans on a single day just aren't good enough, and the lies we had from the 911 Commission are an insult to us all.

Buzzflash, why are we even discussing this? Why are we being left to guess? You should be calling for a new 9/11 inquiry. Nothing else will suffice.

And to date, no one is asking about the only WMD attack to have occurred during the same time period. Weapons grade anthrax sent in the mail through letters post dated before 9/11 and arriving the week after that targeted the 2 top Dem leaders, Leahy and Daschle, who were holding up the Patriot Act have yet to be investigated. The attack shut down the government for a month, cost billions in clean up and security and killed innocent people. Only 2 facilities in the U.S. could produce this type of anthrax, the Ames strain, and only a hand full of scientists had the know how. But to this day we still know no more than we knew when the attacks occurred other than the fact that the FBI ordered the evidence destroyed. This is fact...no conspiracy theory. And yet there is dead silence on the subject from the media and government agencies. Given that these attacks occurred in conjunction with the attack on the WTC, how could anyone not be suspicious of what we have been told regarding the WTC attacks. Meanwhile we invade Iraq based on the lie that they were a threat to us because of their stockpiles of WMD which did not exist. The irony!!

The term "inside job" is problematic. I prefer complicity. Inside job implies US operatives carrying out terrorism. Complicity leaves open the possibility (reality) that they let it happen by doing nothing to stop it, and by shutting down terrorism investigations before the fact. Using proxy terrorists is a long established Washington practice. They do it to this day in numerous countries. Plausible deniability is central to any such treason, and long-term traitors like Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld are masters at removing themselves from direct responsibility for these alleged "failures" and "incompetence."

To anyone typing the word "incompetence" you are making an assumption that the actions were unintentional. Intentional "incompetence" is called criminal negligence, a prosecutable crime. Consider your words more carefully.

I don't see Flight 93 as particularly compelling either way. There is so much more evidence that could lead to criminal prosecutions:

70 Disturbing FACTS about 9/11

Crimes of the State

Mark says "if Bush and Rice had listened to a CIA warning about Al-Qaeda preparing hijackings in the U.S. But Bush and Rice did nothing -- absolutely nothing -- to put airports on a heightened security alert."

To me that says a lot..they knew, therefore it "becomes" an inside job.

I am not a f@#!ing wing nut either! I am analytical. Why do you even mention the 9/11 truthers? They have nothing to do with your article.
I am sick and tired of being called a conspiracy theorist because I think Cheney, bush and the rest of the criminals are quite capable of doing something this bad...

No one should doubt that they lied about Flight 93. That was probably their first BIG lie. Since then, there have been other similar "American Spirit" lies. Remember Jessica Lynch, and Pat Tillman ? As for all those other various and sundry lies to which they haven't yet given a patriotic name, I recommend grabbing a pencil and paper and begin listing all those that you can recall. Starter hint: WMD (It's probably best to use a legal-size sheet of paper, more space.)

Good one, Mark. For an excellent (and sane) take on this hairy topic, see Peter Dale Scott's "The Road to 9/11: Wealth, Empire, and the Future of America." It contains a very detailed and reasoned examination of Cheney's movements, and his overall career in relation to his morning in the tunnel. As for 9/11 "Truth" (in many ways similar to the contention industry surrounding JFK's assassination), the whole chaotic palaver serves solely to disinform, to marginalize reasoned investigation and debate. This is exactly how such massive, bald-faced cover-ups succeed, whether covering-up incompetence, negligence, corruption, collusion, or in the case of U-93, transforming a difficult and politically unpopular decision into a populist cause, a vulgar catch-phrase. To you Buzzflash readers who count yourselves among the Seekers of Truth in the "Truth" movement, obviously the effective time for talk is long past (and President Obama will no doubt illuminate all Citizens on these topics precisely as much as will President McCain, which is to say not at all). All the hot debaters, structural steel experts, ordnance men, and Newtonian realists: what are you actually DOING for the cause of your "Truth", besides pissing in the acrid, asbestos-laden wind?

I take issue with you on 9/11. I would stake my life that it was an inside job. I know a controlled demolition when I see one, and I saw three that day. Now you may say that I can't see the Emperor's beautiful cloth because I am unworthy, but I say it isn't there. President Bush was left in an unprotected school for over 20 minutes while the TV cameras set up for a speech about the US being attacked. How on earth did they not think that he could be a target? They supposedly knew within a day who did it. Absurd. (and had all their pictures) Bush declared that he absolutely did NOT want an investigation. Does that make any sense at all? Two passports were found out on the street that flew out of the plane and avoided the collapse etc etc. Impossible. The molten metal that was hot until December, when according to the New York Times was finally cooled down, has not only not been explained but now some government members are denying it was there. It was under building seven too , but not under building five and six. Come on folks, have you watched so many Hollywood movies that you will believe anything in spite of what know to be true?

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Why, for example, did Building 7 collapse? It wasn't hit by a plane, as the towers were. The 9/11 Commission Report completely ignores Building 7. The Federal Emergency Management Agency report discounts fire as a cause and concludes that the reasons for the collapse of Building 7 are unknown and require further research. But when FEMA issued this report, it already cleared the site and disposed of the dust and steel (evidence from a crime scene), thus possibly committing a felony and complicating any "further research...." » read more | bbruhwiler8's blog | 13 comments http://www.911blogger.com/node/15381 ======================================================= SEARCHING FOR A NEW 9/11 TRUTH Story: Searching for a New Truth Published in: Monday Magazine on Apr 16, 2008 Story URL: http://www12.bcnewsgroup.com/portals-code/list.cgi?cat=23&paper=117&id=1196132 ====================================================== Former Governor of Minnesota Jesse Ventura Becomes a 9/11 Truth-seeker: http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20080402205204289 ====================================================== FROM: If We Don't Learn Our History, We're Doomed to Repeat It By GeorgeWashington Everyone has heard the saying "if we don't learn our history, we're doomed to repeat it". Let's see if history can teach us anything about 9/11: in Operation Himmler [2], faked attacks on their own people and resources which they blamed on the Poles, to justify the invasion of Poland this History Channel video [3] — that Nazis set fire to their own government building and blamed that fire on others.... The fire was the event which justified Hitler's seizure of power and suspension of liberties agents of an Israeli terrorist cell operating in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including U.S. diplomatic facilities, in the hope that radical muslims would be blamed as the culprits [4](one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to identify the bombers). Israel's Defense Minister was brought down by the scandal, along with the entire Israeli government.... [continued:] Source URL: http://www.911blogger.com/node/14912 ======================================================= WHO'S AFRAID OF PROGRESSIVES' PRAYERS? Quoted from: THE GREAT AWAKENING by Jim Wallis http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=special.TGA&item=TGA_main .... REVOLUTIONARY PRAYER I pray, but there are many misunderstandings about prayer. For many prayer is talking to God, sometimes with a great list of requests and needs -- sort of like a child's Christmas list mailed to Santa Claus.... ....Prayer changes our frame of reference; it is not merely a preparation for action. Rather, prayer must be understood as an action in itself, a potent political weapon to be used in spiritual warfare against the most powerful forces of the world. Prayer is not undertaken in place of other actions but is the foundation for all the other actions we take. I recall the way Archbishop Tutu would pray in South Africa during the apartheid era. His prayers constantly affirmed God's power over the claims of the state -- that God's power was a threat to the state's power. And prayer, in recognizing God's authority over the evil powers, moves us beyond opposition to affirmation and beyond resistance to celebration. Thus, prayer and the results of prayer can be the most revolutionary of acts. The powers that be in this world are aware of this. That is why they consider those who pray in this way to be a threat.... ---- ....At the height of the Montgomery bus boycott, King received dozens of death threats by phone and mail. One evening in January 1956, the young minister had a pivotal experience, which would later be referred to as his “kitchen table conversion.” Stewart Burns recounts King's epiphany in TO THE MOUNTAINTOP: “Around midnight, as he struggled to sleep, the phone rang one more time. 'Listen, n*****,' an ugly voice crackled over the wire, 'we're tired of you and your mess now. If you aren't out of this town in three days, we're going to blow your brains out and blow up your house.' He paced the bedroom floor in angry fear, then walked across the hall to the kitchen and heated some coffee. He tried to find solace in what philosophy and theology had taught him about the meaning of evil. Could there be good without evil? Could there be redemption without sin? No answer came to shake his despair. Nothing relieved the fear in his gut. He was ready to give up.' “'I got to the point that I couldn't take it any longer,' he recalled in a sermon the summer before his death. 'I was weak. Something said to me you can't call on Daddy now,' as he had in past troubles. 'You can't even call on Mama now. You've got to call on that something in that person that your daddy used to tell you about. That power that can make a way out of no way.' He had to call on the Holy Spirit's power to help him through. The church had been so much his home all of his young life that he had never stepped outside of it far enough, or boldly enough, to forge his own relationship with God, with Jesus, with the Spirit – not that of his father or mother or Ebenezer Baptist in Atlanta. “He discovered at this midnight hour that 'religion had to become real to me' – not merely the hand-me-down family business -- 'and I had to know God for myself. With my head in my hands, I bowed down over that cup of coffee. Oh, yes, I prayed a prayer... The words I spoke to God that midnight are still vivid in my memory. Lord, I'm down here trying to do what's right. I think the cause that we represent is right. But Lord, I must confess that I'm weak now. I'm faltering. I'm losing my courage. I am afraid. The people are looking to me for leadership. I can't let the people see me like this because if they see me weak and losing my courage, they will begin to get weak. I am at the end of my powers. I have nothing left. I've come to the point where I can't face it alone.' “'At that moment,' he continued, 'I experienced the presence of the Divine as I had never experienced Him before. I could hear an inner voice saying to me, Martin Luther, stand up for righteousness, stand up for justice, stand up for the truth. And lo, I will be with you, even until the end of the world. I heard the voice of Jesus saying still to fight on. He promised never to leave me, never to leave me alone. No, never alone. No, never alone. He promised never to leave me, never to leave me alone.'” That experience and the deep personal faith that continued to sustain him shaped Martin Luther King's political commitments and public leadership. For faith to keep him going, it had to get “real,” it had to get personal. Likewise, the social change we need today will not come about just through “education,” through selecting the right “issues,” through finding the right “policy ideas.” As important as education, issues, and policy ideas are, we will need something deeper. We will need societal transformation for real social change, and that never comes about without personal transformation as well. Faith can provide the fire, the passion, the strength, the perseverance, and the hope necessary for social movements to win, and to change politics. Without that, it's just a debate over issues and ideas. And when the going gets tough or even risky and dangerous, many people will give up (or go back to watching television) – unless they have learned to tap the deep resources of faith.... http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=special.TGA&item=TGA_main ======================================================= Use Prayer Requests to Spread Truth By GeorgeWashington Created 2008-02-11 11:47 Note: If you are an atheist, that's totally cool. This essay is aimed at the 85% of the American population which identifies itself as Christian, and the millions more who identify themselves as Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, etc. Every Sunday, I submit a prayer request at my place of worship (it happens to be a church; but this would work just as well at a synagogue, temple, or mosque). Because millions of Americans submit prayer requests in their places of worship every year, it dawned on me . . . why not use prayer requests to spread truth? For example, everyone who goes to a church, synagogue, temple or mosque could submit a prayer request every visit saying something like: Please pray for: 9/11 Truth Comments: Please see http://911Blogger.com for more information If you believe in prayer, then please consider that praying for 9/11 truth is a good thing. Whether or not you believe in prayer, you have to admit that people on the prayer team are going to ask "what the heck is this?" and then look at 911Blogger.com to see what's going on. That could open a lot of eyes that would not otherwise be opened. Source URL: http://www.911blogger.com/node/13831 ====================================================== FROM: An Efficient Way to Spread Truth That Everyone Can Do By Colombo Since our mainstream media continue to censor 9/11 truth, I urge everyone to begin “mass emailing” 9/11 truth messages now! It is not difficult to disseminate thousands of emails per day. Here are some tips to get you started: http://www.911blogger.com/node/13321 ====================================================== New York Times Bestselling Author Takes Aim at 9/11 Coverup: http://911blogger.com/node/13135 ====================================================== SUPER TERMITE FELLED WTC on 9/11? Iraq war veteran and experienced demolitions expert blows the cover on 9/11 inside job: Meet Torin Wolf. He has a broad and varied background as a US Army Combat Nurse during Operation Iraqi Freedom.... ....The presentation moves on and goes through some of the just plain crazy theories of why the towers fell, such as space beams, holograms, missiles, orbs, pterodactyls, etc., and easily debunks them. Torin then adds, "There is evidence most of these are put out by the government as disinfo." Then explains how the White House, in violation of the law, has bought 28 billion, "Billion with a B" in fake news. "But the craziest, most truly unhinged conspiracy theory for the towers falling on 9/11?" Torin asks rhetorically. "Fire." The official story cannot be recreated by any experiment. NIST is the government agency involved in attempting to model what happened to the world trade center on 9/11, and they fail horribly.... http://rinf.com/alt-news/911-truth/expert-blows-the-cover-on-911-inside-job/1619/ ====================================================== [Your Tax Dollars (and super termite?) At Work?] 9/11 Inside Job Smoking Gun Video If tens upon tens of firefighters, paramedics, and EMT's said in late 2001 and early 2002 that they saw flashes at the base and middle of the Twin Towers and heard multiple explosions "like gunfire" immediately prior to each towers' collapse, would you listen? Can you look at the evidence with fresh eyes? No disinfo or sloppy logic here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDKa1Q1GwTQ http://digg.com/politics/Powerful_new_9_11_video_may_change_your_mind_about_controlled_demolition This can go viral with your help. ====================================================== NONSENSE AS A WEAPON AGAINST 9/11 TRUTH From 911review.com: TROJAN HORSES The 9/11/01 attack was a complex psychological operation carefully designed to conceal the truth, in spite of numerous obvious red flags in the fraudulent official story. As such it relies on the dissemination of memes that overpower rational consideration of the evidence. One of the most important memes is the idea that all people who question the basic tenets of the official story are loony conspiracy theorists, whose ideas are not worthy of consideration. Part of the construction of this meme was to make the attack so audacious that even a straightforward accounting of the basic facts sounds too outrageous to possibly be true. The ideas that the Twin Towers were destroyed by explosive demolition and that top-level administration officials were involved in the planning and execution of the attack are so painful that most people reflexively reject them, even if that means ignoring mountains of evidence. Nevertheless the perpetrators run the risk that these ideas will gain currency and begin to be examined with some objectivity if the loony conspiricism meme fails to maintain its hold. NONSENSE AS A WEAPON An effective tool for reinforcing the loony conspiricism meme is the introduction of theories that that have no basis in evidence, such as the idea that no planes hit the towers. The association of these ideas with the careful research of investigators in the 9/11 Truth Movement stands to set back the cause of awakening the larger public to the facts of the attack. http://www.911review.com ====================================================== 9/11 Truth Movement Fights Back Against DISINFORMATION and AGENTS PROVOCATEURS Quote: Hoffman: ....Very entertaining to watch, very vivid, just lurid — it's ridiculous. It's all just completely concocted, he makes it sound like you, and Wolsey and these people that he’s saying are COINTELPRO just popped up in the last year is just an utter lie. I think it’s a really good test of whether people are really in this in the benefit of our movement: are going to tolerate this sort of thing? Where are the voices of the alleged leaders of the 9/11 truth movement about this and similar incidents? I think the silence from some quarters is deafening.... 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I love this site but I am confused about this post ... on one hand Mark Karlin i saying that reports seem to indicate that Cheney had the plan shot down which if true was followed up by a cover up ... and yet .... the 911 Truth Movement conflates facts and comes up with bizarre speculation. Sorry Mark but this is intellectually dishonest. Fact : WTC Buildings 1 and 2 both fell at free fall speed. If you had dropped a piano right nest to the buildings as they fell they would have hit the ground at essentially the same time. A fact that could only have occurred if there was zero resistance. And it would have to have occurred in two buildings (3 if you include building 7) in the exact same way as identical reactions to mathematically inconsistent crashes. The only way this could have been physically possible was if all the resistance was completely removed and this could only have been accomplished with controlled demolition. This is just a fact ... all be it no more or less intriguing than what Mark Karlin is talking about here concerning Flight 93. What the 911 Truth Movement is about is finding out the truth and having a real investigation into the facts and not what has clearly occurred which is a huge cover up. We don't know what really happened that day because it was covered up by the Bush administration. It's ramifications reverberate around the globe and implicate more than just Bush and Cheney. It brings into question our very reality indicating that there are shadow elements operating to orchestrate events and to control information. Lastly ... "we can't begrudge Cheney" ... what? Mark Karlin .. I have to tell you that with this one post you may have completely lost me ... not sure I can visit this site knowing that Bush like duplicity is alive and kicking here.

It would require an investigation into 9/11. It would require investigating the illegalities of Bush and it would require reinstating Habeas Corpus and reinstating the US Constitution. I have always felt Pelosi is doing Obama's bidding by taking the impeachment option off the table. He does not intend correcting the unitary Presidency, but will exploit it even further. Obama wants to pretend to want to get along. He just wants to sweep the evil stuff done in the past 8 years under the rug and continue the same. Obama and the Bushies are cut from the same cloth. And so are Pelosi and Hoyer and the DNC. Would you have ever have believed the policy of the DNC would be to not count votes and to disenfranchise voters in two mega swing states to advantage an amateur politician. And when you see the MSM promoting a so called liberal Democrat....you know there is something rotten in Denmark. The "Chosen One" is chosen. But by whom is the question.

Don't worry, as soon as we have a Progressive POTUS with the powers of the Unitary Executive that Bush/Cheney/et al. have given POTUS, we will have truth.

We will start rounding up and throwing in GITMO all the anti-abortion activists and right wing nut jobs on the grounds that they are "part of the terrorist conspiracy of 9/11" and shortly thereafter, all the truth about 9/11 will come flooding out.

All it will take is to kill a few hundred thousand nut-job Rethuglicans and all the rest will start blabbering like there was no tomorrow.

There's gonna be a big battle between "good" and "evil" soon folks, and it's going to be a fight to the death.

And guess what, those of us who want to feed the world and take care of the environment and protect the concept of open government and allow women the right to control their own bodies and make religion OPTIONAL and not part of government are on the side of "good."

Building 7 fell by itself because the ground shook? OR WAS IT PLANNED DEMOLITION. By the way..... notice how the number of demolitions dropped off in America after 911. You think the guys on the job don't want to be interviewed or something? It's commonly called "laying low". It sickens me that these guys would keep a secret this heinous. AGAINST their country. Traitors.

Where you say, "9/11 was not an inside job, but . . . ." I disagree completely and totally. All it takes is the magic three for me: Demolition takes WEEKS to plant the C4 in the right place. What we saw was professional planned demolition. Bush family was in charge of security at the towers. That does it for me. In the can. A picture tells a thousand stories. 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB.

yeah wheres the other plane that should have crashed into the pentagon?

The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming! "Oh Lucy! - You Gotta Lotta 'Splainin To Do" A TIMELINE SURROUNDING SEPTEMBER 11TH - IF CIA AND THE GOVERNMENT WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THE SEPTEMBER 11 ATTACKS WHAT WERE THEY DOING? by Michael C. Ruppert http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html

There is no evidence whatsoever that Flight 93 was shot down. There is plenty of evidence that it was not. Please take a look at this information. The FDR and the CVR were recovered at Shanksville. Both show that the pilot and co-pilot ditched the plane in response to the passengers gaining access to the cockpit. Do not be fooled! http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/flight93page1

As a renegade physicist I can say with some credibility that the official explanation of how the towers (especially building 7) collapsed violates too many physical laws (violating any would be too many). Unlike man made laws (such as those against jaywalking, murder or homicidal/imperial megalomania), physical laws are not subject to choice about whether they are obeyed. For example. an enormous amount of concrete in the towers turned to micro-fine dust, doing so in virtual freefall. Not only was there not enough kinetic energy stored in the towers (i.e., heavy stuff up high) to turn the building to dust, the rate of fall would have been much much slower if the kinetic energy of falling material was responsible for breaking beams and pulverizing concrete. Both the micro-fine dust and the near freefall rate of collapse are consistent with modern demolition techniques. At a minimum it seems clear that someone in a position to know of the impending attacks arranged to have the towers wired for demolition. Perhaps not technically an inside job, but certainly over the top in taking advantage of inside information… Don