For Bill Clinton, the Ties to JFK's Camelot Have Been Severed

I guess we can add John Edwards to that long list of pathetic, liberal losers. It's about time that joker dropped out of the race.

Now he can go back home and lounge around his brand new 26,000 sf mansion...and nibble on hors dourves, drizzled in truffle oil.

This guy needs to get a job...or do some volunteer work...or something. He clearly has too much time on his hands.

You know who I picture as the quintessential liberal?...Mr. Truffle Man (see below). Two years from now, I can just picture Mr. Truffle Man sitting around at some $500 per couple restaraunt, complaining about President John McCain.

Mr. Truffle Man will sit, dinning on his exquisitely prepared Chillean sea bass, complete with truffle oil and shaved truffles, and he'll say something like, "Can you believe what that brute John McCain did today? I just can't believe it. Oh...and isn't this sea bass just scrumptious?"

Effete pathetic loser.

And while we're on the subject of ancient, irrelevant politicians, let's talk about good old Ralphie Nader for a moment.

It's not enough that this clown effectively gift wrapped the Presidency for George W Bush in 2000, by drawing enough of you pathetic liberals away from Al Gore, but now Nader insists on endorsing Barack Hussein Obama in this election also.

I guess Ralphie won't rest until the Republicans dominate the White House for another eight years with McCain, and you liberals are too dim-witted to see it coming...again. Geesh.

The Democratic Party is quickly turning into the party of pathetic losers...complete with losers like Teddy Kennedy, John Kerry and Ralphie Nader, all of whom have failed miserably in their bids for the White House.

Nice try but for all his faults and he certainly has them, Ted Kennedy paid the ultimate price - he was never president. Clinton, running in the age of the moron voter, seems to pay very little price for a biography that makes Ted Kennedy's look like Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm. But keep it up. Clinton supporters trashing the Kennedys are like pigs sniffing out truffles.

Oh...and let's not forget the little matter of Mary Joe Kopechne. You remember her don't you?

How much is Kennedy's endorsement really worth? Not much.

WOW! Such passion this campaign is producing!

I personally VERY MUCH DISTRUST Hillary Clinton, but the bashing is really getting out of hand!

As for Obama, yeah he talks the peoples talk, but as another commentator noted, what has he DONE since he went to DC?

So, I say, everyone take a step back and THINK about this, THEN look into your hearts!
Perhaps the combination will lead you to the truth.

(I would have LOVED to have voted for Dennis Kucinich, who speaks the TRUTH, and seems beholden to NO ONE. With his withdrawal, my next choice would be Edwards. He seems the "least corrupt" of the Democratic candidates, and he is very likeable.)

So, quit using up so much energy bashing each other, fellow Dems and Indies, just go out and vote AND do your best, in actions, to fix our broken country!

It is beyond my comprehension how anybody calling themselves prgressive or Liberal can support Hillary or Obama.

They are both corporatists who will do little to change the basic structure under which the US operates. Of the two Hillary is the worst. She's now taking money from the war industry.

Plus, Hillary is a liar and sleazeball. She disgusts mee.

And Obama is a cypher. He doesn't say anything.. All sizzle, no steak.. If you want someone that makes you feel good, hire a prostitute or gigilo.

Edwards has spent his life fighting the powerful on behalf of the ordinary person. He knows what the problem is.

And he knows it will be a fight, not reaching across the aisle. When you reach across the aisle, make sure you're holding a gun.

The problem won't be solved be hope or experience.

I've been a faithful supporter of BuzzFlash for some time now, and enjoy the in-your-face headlines and good news items to be found here.

But the constant HRC-bashing is getting to me. Yes, I agree that Big Dog has behaved very badly and I wish he'd shut up. No, I don't like some of the ads HRC has done.

But ALL politicians take big donations and ALL politicians bad-mouth each other.

Here at Buzz, and also at dailykos, the HRC-bashing is constant and unremitting. Apparently she, not the Smirking Chimp in the White House, is responsible for every ill that has ever befallen the USA. Apparently nothing she has ever done, or said, or could do, or say, is in any way acceptable.

So, bye, Buzz, it's been great and maybe I'll come back one day. In the meantime, if you notice that your donations have fallen off (I've been a regular buyer) and you aren't getting the usual number of hits--that's me.

D. M. Read
Author of Layoffs
http://www.layoffsbook.com

For all of you Liberals (apparently I'm not a real liberal anymore) that are mindlessly defending Bill and asking "what did he do?" let me fill you in. First, William "Nafta" Clinton was lying about the Casino Workers' "special treatment" in Las Vegas. He was lying about Obama's Iraq record. Barack was against the war from the start, Hillary helped authorize it. That is documented. And finally, the Democratic party, including Billary, officially agreed that the primaries in Michigan and Florida were not going to officially count in the Democratic nomination process, and now they are suddenly trying to get them to count. Obama and Edwards were NOT EVEN ON THE BALLOT. Sounds a lot like the kind of thing that ol' Rove and Jeb were doing in Florida 8 years ago huh.

For everyone saying, Obama is no JFK, you all have no idea what kind of President he will be. We have already had Bill and Hillary in the white house. If you think they were the second coming of FDR then fine vote for them. I for one considered them mediocre at best (being better than W is like winning the special olympics, you may be a winner but you're still retarded). I am ready to try something new. And for a black man to be a serious candidate for president in America is an achievement in itself. And some of the real Liberals (again because I am not one anymore apparently) who dismiss him I say this, "A whole lot of other people seem to be disagreeing with you."

It goes like this:
1. John Edwards (not going to win, sorry)
2. Obama

3. Hillary

Please understand that if we criticise the Clintons this is still a family matter. If Hillary gets the nomination I/we will support her all the way. But at this time it is important to point out the flaws and misques such as the attacks by Bill that back fired because we don't want them making those kind of mistakes in the General Election. And support for OBama does not mean that we hate Hillary, this is a process we have to work through and in the end the family will kiss and make up. But right now I say Go Barack!

If Ted Kennedy (and John Kerry for that matter) knew anything about winning elections, they would have won one already.

These guys should keep quiet, and save their endorsements until after the Democratic primary.

Its ridiculous to think that Bill Clintons boyhood dream was all for nothing because Ted Kennedy supports Obama. Does Buzzflash really think that boys and girls who meet a President shouldn't inspire someday to become President? Or should they think its a waste of time because some day years in the future that Presidents brother might not support their wife or husband as a candidate? Shouldn't Democrats be more interested in winning the White House instead of praising Obama as the second coming and then trashing Hillary Clinton. Obama has voted the same as Hillary on all the issues and he has voted to fund the war, he didn't take a stand against the funding or even give some high minded speech against it on the floor of the Senate when he had the opportunity to do so. Obama even said he isn't sure if he would have voted against the war if he had seen the intelligence reports but of course now he is adamant that he would have voted against it. Buzzflash needs to stop the trashing of Hillary because if she gets the nomination she will have enough criticism from Republicans without getting it from Democrats too. Buzzflash should not just say we support Obama and then say nothing about him except he wants change, every candidate says they want change. Talk about Obama and stop your lists of why you're against Hillary. Democrats need to stick together in this and concentrate on defeating Republicans not each other.

After finding this site I thought wow Sanity but lately its no Different than FAUX I admire the Clintons and always will because under him my life became a lot better and easier and now to hear supposed Liberals trashing them is sadly Disgusting I support Senator Edwards and will support Senator Clinton If the nominie but find as a Gay person I will not support Obama period not because he's Black but because he has People who are Hate Mongering Homophobes and caters to them its real clear he's out to drag this party to be no Different than Republicans and it will be the end of the Democratic Party.I hope this site will go back to being what it was when I found this site years ago but it dosen't seem it will!

Billary is not loved for a host of reasons - some of them quite rational and faithful to the record of history and some of them not. This is par for the course when political candidates are concerned. You want to investigate the source of all this antagonism to Billary. Be my guest. Like Oedipus who was so filled with pride that he wanted to find the murderer of his father, he only lived to find that he was the murderer himself. At the bottom of the Billary is no mystery. It is quite public and on view every day for those who have the guts and the honesty to see it. A take-no-prisoners approach to politics, a dishonesty so deep ("I did not have sex with THAT woman") generations of con men stand in awe, a disdain for lesser humanity, an hypocrisy that even permits racial innuendo from the "first black president" - all of this and much much more is at the bottom of it all. This country would benefit greatly from having a competent woman as president. Unfortunately, howevermuch THAT woman might be a political genius, primed and ready to lead us into the promised land, there is no such woman in this race.

I don't care what your name is. We should not expect Senator Kennedy to think like a zombie and act en bloc with other people's ideas.

He has the right to act independently no matter how odious his endorsement is.

I don't like Obama because he is plastic phony, and I get the feeling he is all about Obama. Add to that he is backed by CORPORATIONS... and you have your reason.

I don't want Hillary because she is stuck on the OLD form of politics... the Mexican corrupt form of selling your seat to corporations. She is also a store bought whore for corporations. But at least she knows how to run the government, a talent Obama has yet to prove. I don't believe he has the ability to run anything bigger than the water at the sink.

My guy is Edwards. He has the ability, the experience, the education, and his heart is with the people. He is not a corporate whore. He is wholly supported by the people... so he answers to the people.

You want a new direction in America? How about we ignore and jettison, and in every way possible, QUIT supporting the corporate candidates? It has truthfully taken be aback so much that I have been steering away from Buzzflash for the first time in YEARS!

I am sick of the Mexican model of politics in America. I don't want to be a peasant.

"But for Bill Clinton, the ties to Camelot have been severed"

I don't see it that way. That tie will always be there, the picture shows it and the sentiment of that picture can never be taken away from Bill. This election isn't about Bill it's about Hillary. BUT has BuzzFlash forgotten what Bill did do for this country?

Bush and the GOP said they would bring back integrity to this country, well it's integrity never left until Bush and company moved into the White House. Just because a couple of Kennedys are going to endorse Obama does not make them the rulling word.
For Hillary to get an endorsement from RFK's daughter is good enough for me.
If anyone is capitilizing on Bill Clintons words of "HOPE" campaign it's Obama.
I'm glad Hillary isn't going in that direction. She will produce the change we want and yearn for.

GO HILLARY!!

I've supported Buzzflash for years (financially as well as politically); but the recent trashing of all things Clinton in favor of all things Obama is not something I expect nor admire from people who supposedly adhere to liberal ideals of fairness/equality...it's no better than the Faux Fanatics. (And I would feel the same if it was Obama 'they' were trashing in favor Hillary.) I'm reminded of how many times I've gotten into 'discussions' with conservatives about the intolerance of liberals...about how liberals talk about tolerance more than they live it. No one is all bad, even the supposedly evil Clintons. And Obama shouldn't be off limits 'cause Race is a sensitive issue. Obama is a black man and Hillary is a white woman...facts, nothing more/less. (Plus it's insulting to Obama when people act like Race is the issue rather than real differences between him/Hillary.)

The same can be said for the rabid Obama supporters who insist it's him or NO ONE...damn, how narrow, how intolerant. I would LOVE a Hillary/Obama ticket; but I'll vote for either Obama/Edwards. Not because I've cast out my 'ideals'; but because I learned something from the last seven years, from the last two elections: The Clintons at their worst couldn't (and didn't) do what another warmongering/Constitution destroying Republican will do.

Why is it necessary to believe Hillary and Bill Clinton are evil in order to support Obama?

So Kennedy endorsed Obama. Great for Obama. Ted Kennedy's been a great Senator, and a great progressive voice for many years, and his endorsement means a lot. But why does it have to turn into another self-satisfied, gleeful, gloating, premature post-mortem of the Clintons?

Personally, I don't care who has a 'connection' to the Kennedys and who doesn't. The Kennedys were human beings too, not Gods. JFK was a good President - not the most progressive out there, but a good leader. RFK would have been a great President, I believe. They inspired a lot of people. And Ted Kennedy's inspired a lot of people too. But we cannot look back on Kennedy's second term, or Robert's Presidency, or Ted's. We only have this inspiration to go by. And perhaps this inspiration has left us, in some way, forever unsatisfied - forever looking over the next hill.

When history looks back, they will not equate Bill's campaigning on behalf of Hillary with Karl Rove or Lee Atwater. They will see Clinton's presidency as closer to Bush's than to Kennedy's. The story of those years is that a President was investigated in an unprecendented way, and this investigation was tolerated and stimulated by a compliant mainstream press, and the President was impeached for no good reason and nearly removed from office. That was the great crime of these years. That Clinton did not fulfill, for many, his promise as a progressive reformer is not.

These years were frustrating in several ways. But to blame it all on the Clintons is to forget history, and we must not forget history, no matter how much we would like to move forward into a new era.

In some ways, I'm relieved by Obama's success. I'm so tired of trying to defend Hillary - of trying to counter the attacks and slurs and unsubstantiated slop that emerges from peoples' mouths and keyboards as easily as the word "Hello". Especially because she's not even my favorite candidate.

On the other hand, I have a feeling that somehow, I must get to the bottom of this. That we, as a society, and as a party, must understand where this dislike of the Clintons comes from before we can truly 'move on into the future'.

I know that Obama supporters will bombard me with a slew of reasons, like her war vote, but I also know that interspersed with these reasons will be talk of 'triangulating' and 'entitlement' and 'ruthlessness' and other kinds of subtle terms that betray a less rational basis for their support.

Be honest - you just don't like her. And you really like Obama. Fine. But when you find yourself agreeing with Rush Limbaugh, perhaps you ought to realize something is not quite right.

I mean, if the people of this country want to nominate Obama and move away from Clinton, that's what they'll do. I detect a tone in these editorials that seems to be attempting to will this possibility into reality. In fact, this type of tone is all over the progressive media, the mainstream media, and the conservative media. And I think Bill Clinton is defending his wife against this tone. And then his defense is taken as evidence of further offense.

To quote Obi-Wan Kenobi:

"Yes, but search your feelings, Anakin. Something is out of place... The force grows dark, and we are all affected by it."

As much as some would like to believe that Hillary or Obama will be the next JFK and though you could say there are certainly simularities, neither come close to that great man.

You might use the argument that Hillary has the drive to propel change for a better America. Well, she certainly DOES have the drive and the intelligence which is wonderful. However, her view of "change" involves doing what so many others in office do: helping big business - those who fund her campaigns. Sure, she doesn't come close to the outragious behavior and votes by those of her republican counterparts, but she is in the pocket of big business completely and it is they who will have her heart while in the White House. Her ideas of "change" are simply lame. Though she won't take us over the cliff like "W", she will simply put down the anchor and keep us from falling any further. Don't expect a ladder upwards to safety.

Obama certain reminds us all of the uplifting and energy producing speeches which JFK was so famous for. Heck, listening to him almost makes ME want to believe in his vision of America! However, like Hillary, he is also in the pocket of big business and will continue to place them first before the needs of the average American.

I'll never forget listening to him speak at the Democratic Convention all those years ago when he was first running for the senate. It had been a VERY long time since America had last heard such a powerful speech and I have to admit that I was energized and hopeful. I remember thinking, "Finally America will have someone with ideals simular to JFK!" However, he disappointed me from day one once entering the senate. I would have thought that he would have been energized from just winning the election and would have been knocking people down to put his words to good use for the country. Instead, he faded into the sunset. I remember thinking that I had never seen a freshman senator jump on the DC politcal bandwagon so fast! He's been on the same bandwagon ever since. He is all talk and no action which is a damn shame.

So, who does that leave us with? I suppose John Edwards. I appriciate the fact that he is speaking the populist view points to a nation which so desperately needs such views to be spoken. However, he is not without some baggage as well. He also has the MSM who certainly isn't giving him a lot of air time either. Heck, look what the MSM did to Kucinich who was speaking the truth! Out of the top three candidates, Edwards is the only one I could vote for and feel fairly guilt-free for doing so. Which brings me to one of my biggest regrets of this election:

I desperately would LOVE to see our nation's first minority or first woman president! I would love to be able to vote for one of these candidates in the primary. However, I going to be forced to vote for the same ol' standard - a white man. Do you know how angry that makes me?!

I've seen all of Bill's comments and am at a loss as to what he said that was so awful or untrue. Can someone please help me out? Hey, I don't care who wins the nomination, as long as they can beat whoever the repub will be. It's just that I think the we are allowing the media to create a huge rift here.