Are You a 'Cynic' or a 'Truster'? How Much Slack to Cut Obama
A BUZZFLASH DISCUSSION
In the past few weeks, BuzzFlash's mailbag has been flooded with arguments over the same basic premise: Has the Obama Administration sold out the progressive cause, or is it too early to judge?
We feel your pain, readers. Here at BuzzFlash HQ that same discussion rages from day to day and issue to issue. We understand the need to have public backing in order for the president to advance progressive causes, especially during these extremely trying times. However, we don't want to wake up four years from now feeling that we've been had, either.
Two of our favorite columnists' most recent offerings deal with that very issue. New York Times columnist Paul Krugman splits the issue at the man, talking about the two Baracks: one a "policy wonk whose command of the issues -- and ability to explain those issues in plain English -- is a joy to behold" and the other a "post-partisan, who searches for common ground where none exists, and whose negotiations with himself lead to policies that are far too weak."
Author, professor and former Labor Secretary Robert Reich positions the issue in terms of the factions of Obama supporters:
People who voted for Barack Obama tend to fall into one of two camps: Trusters, who believe he's a good man with the right values and he's doing everything he can; and cynics, who have become disillusioned with his bailouts of Wall Street, flimsy proposals for taming the Street, willingness to give away 85 percent of cap-and-trade pollution permits, seeming reversals on eavesdropping and torture, and squishiness on a public option for health care.
For some, the distinction may seem like a mere semantic exercise. But here at BuzzFlash, we believe that citizens need to be involved in their governance, which requires an intimate understanding of not only the issues themselves, but also what we think of them. We should know in our hearts and minds what is worth fighting for and what is negotiable, and act on that knowledge.
A BUZZFLASH DISCUSSION
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skeptical but still...
Blame it on Congress?
Obama is the POTUS, with the power of the bully pulpit and the guy who was sold (and sold himself) as the only candidate who could not only get the support of his fellow Democrats, but could reach across the aisle to get Republican support. Yet, on issue after issue, he has failed to lead, and has been ineffective in garnering support for any slightly controversial issues. Worse, he has failed in areas where he has complete authority (suspending enforcement of DADT while working on legislation, pushing a DOJ investigation of Bush's war crimes, renegotiating NAFTA), he has done nothing. In other areas, he has ratified or even expanded Bush's programs (rendition, indefinite detention of terror suspects, warrantless surveillance, "state secrets", etc.).
But better than McCain? Yeah, ..... I guess. If that's the standard you want to use.
BTW - Re: legalizing marijuana and gay marriage, you do realize that Obama has specifically stated he is against legalizing pot and opposes gay marriage, right? I wouldn't count on him signing any such bills if I were you. Then again, ...
he's reversed himself so many times already, maybe he would sign them.
Honestly? I didn't think he'd be THIS bad ...
you're still here?
"Conservoclown"?
I'm a liberal .... which is why it's so much fun to mock the "true progressives" who sold Obama as the only "truly progressive" candidate.
Progressive primary challenges to Democrats...
No Slack At All
Niether: the elephant in the room is NOT Obama, Senate, Pelosi..
Most posters here seem not to appreciate the nature of true power. It does not matter which party or which individuals man the levers of institutional power in the US (even though one party is clearly more noxious than the other) because the REAL power lies with the not-very-behind-the-scenes oligarchs: the oil magnates, bankers, war profiteers, big pharma, big media... (basically the richest of the rich.)
It does not matter how good a person and how well intentioned Obama is: the oligarchs simply will not permit any governmental action that goes significantly against what they see as their own vested interests, regardless of how US citizens--and the world--might be harmed in the immediate and in the long term: the problem is the most powerful people tend to be the most greedy, myopic, nihilistic and treacherous. Anyone who might show any potential for a credible challenge to them is rendered ineffective or destroyed by various means--usually through selective propagandizing of their missteps via MSM megaphones, blackmail, or much worse (e.g., Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Edwards, Spitzer--not to mention MLK and perhaps Paul Wellstone...)
For any blogger or poster who has ever labeled left-leaning politicians and media personalities as cowards or corrupt (like Obama or Pelosi--for taking impeachment off the table), ask yourself this question--and BE HONEST: "Would you be willing to take a stand that would result in your losing everything you have worked your whole life to achieve? That causes you to lose your livelihood--or at least your level of standing or sustenance? That may result in the loss of your life?" If you cannot answer this question in the affirmative, then your criticisms of Obama, Pelosi, Senate Democrats (although it seems some of the latter are truly compromised) are naive and/or disingenuous.
Beating up on left-leaning politicians may seem gratifying, but it is errant and COUNTER PRODUCTIVE. Instead of passing responsibility to politicians who are boxed in, ask yourself what you can be doing to TRULY change the balance of power in this country: how can YOU help expand consciousness and involvement of the greater population at large--those who remain blissfully ignorant?
It is not nearly enough to preach/blog to the choir, write letters to government officials or even to have street protests. Even though these things are worthwhile, they are too easily ignored by those who have true power. The real threat to the oligarchs lies in cracking through to the general population, like Rosie O'Donnell was doing: she was reaching mainstream housewives from her perch on "The View" (why do you think the Right did not stop hounding ABC until she was removed, while a _freak_ like Kucinich is allowed to do whatever he wants?) The oligarchs can only be challenged by a MASS movement, not by efforts of elected Democrats or left-wing activists. We need an UNRELENTING, full-frontal assault on the MSM (mainstream media), and to continually, tirelessly expand awareness and COMMITTED INVOLVEMENT of the masses. When we have that, our progressive leaders will have true power to do the work of the people. Without that, we are merely pissing into the wind.
Excuse me, Hippieaglescout,
revolution always requires courage and sacrifice
Sorry, Can't give a shit
Obama cynic
Kucinich
re "Hillary would have at least stood up against"...??!!
Oh please... so THAT's why Hillary played to the worst and basest and blatantly right-wing and "religous" instincts of Democrat voters? - burning up the PA, OH, KY, and West Virginia countryside with her blantantly racist 2008 primary campaign.
And that's why she hired uber- CORPORATE LOBBYIST/PR flack Mark Penn to run her campaign.
And that's why, when she was First Lady of Arkansas, she QUIETLY accepted that WalMart Board of DIRECTORS' paycheck... AS WalMart went on a TWENTY YEAR JIHAD to KEEP WOMEN OUT OF MANAGEMENT.
(The easiest discrimination lawsuit the DoJ ever brought to trial, because WalMart by then simply had a tiny percentage of women in management.)
BTW, it was Hillary who talked hubby Bill into bringing REPUBLICAN advisor DICK MORRIS into the Clinton White House - Morris has been a Fox "news" Dem/Clinton nemesis ever since.
Bill Clinton had the nack of shooting himself in the foot frequently & often, but for a while at least he was a top-notch communicator.
Hillary was even worse at shooting herself in foot than Bill,
and Hillary was never even nearly the communicator (much less organizer) that Bill was.
(Just look at the chaos in her campaign as Mark Penn went "off the reservation," calling for passage of the "CAFTA" Columbia Free Trade Act, even as his nominal boss Hillary was desperately trying to backpedal away from that toxic-to-union voters mess.)
(And, could you think of ANYTHING more counter-productive for a white female politician from the Deep South, than insulting Tammy Wynette & country-music fans everywhere, by scoffing, "I am NOT going to be just a 'stand by my man' woman?" as Hillary once said?)
(Ironically enough, and proving humility is usually the best tactic, "standing by her man" through his impeachment crisis & affair was EXACTLY the reason Hillary was able to run for president in 2008!)
Not to take any credit away from Hillary's being a motivator & force in Bill's rise to the presidency, but them's the facts; and Hill would never have become the Senator from NY without the backing of the presidency (her husband) and the entire Dem campaign machine in 2000.
In a larger setting, Bill & Hillary's "conservative," aka Right-Wing, tendencies are shared by FAR TOO MANY DC "Democrats", from Joe Lieberman and John Kerry and Jane Harman to even Al Gore, who of course chose Lieberman to be his running mate largely because Gore bought into the Right-Wing "moral values" jihad against the Clintons, and Gore (DELUSIONALLY) THOUGHT that Lieberman brought "moral values" to his 2000 presidential campaign.
"Blatantly racist 2008 primary campaign"
I was crying too hard from the laughter.
Cynic, definitely
Obama wasn't my first choice. During the '08 presidential primary campaign I was for, first, Dennis Kucinich, secondly John Edwards. I was even toying with the throwing in with Chris Dodd, as I got to know a couple of his campaign volunteers. But Barack Obama?
Long story short I warmed to Obama during the primary season and voted for him for president.
Since January 20, however, I can truthfully say I have been more disappointed than pleasantly surprised with President Obama's performance. It's a serious case of buyer's remorse: I thought I was getting a Wellstone Democrat but when I unwrapped the package I found I'd brought home a Rockefeller Republican.
Long-term Cynic
BARACK BUSH
Glass Half Empty?
To be sure, there was no mention of single-payer or even of a government option, but it does show that things have changed in the last six months. You can choose to focus on all of the things that you would like that have not happened, but I would argue for being more realistic. Quite a lot has changed for the better, but Obama is neither the superman nor the magician that we might like him to be. As with any President, accomplishments are apt to fall short of campaign promises.
To be fair, Obama never promised single-payer. During the campaign specifically endorsed a government-option approach like he is now endorsing.
Neither Euphoric Nor Depressed
We have to be aware of the constraints that Obama lives under. He has a Democratic Congress that has a powerful corporate/Republican wing and he cannot always depend on their support. He has a Supreme Court that is hostile to his agenda and a media that is extremely hostile.
This is no reason to withhold criticism or pressure on Obama, but rather a reason to keep the pressure up. It is hard to get through the media noise to let him know there is popular support for a more progressive agenda and a good deal of activism is needed to break through that media barrier.
On the other hand, this pressure needs to be kept civil. The voices that decry Obama as worse than Bush, perhaps as the devil himself are a destructive force. People who disagree with Obama's policies or actions should speak up about those policies and actions, but for progressives it is over the top to make it personal and to make it a blanket attack. Rest assured that the conservative noise machine will do a better job at this than anyone else can.
Think Long Term Strategy
Cut Obama some slack
Neither a "Truster" Nor a "Cynic" Be...
Because President Obama clearly has two sides to him, as has been pointed out, I have decided to ignore both sides and throw his words from his campaign back at him. When he clearly chooses the "status quo" over CHANGE, I write to him and call him on it, and then send emails of what I wrote to those individuals and organizations who share my progressive point of view.
When the President clearly has made a LIE out of what he said during the Democratic primary, I call a LIE a LIE and ask him how much longer he intends to LIE.
When the President acts in accordance with his campaign promises (not so much) I write him and thank him and send THAT out by email.
The President clearly responds to pressure. His campaign rhetoric showed he had NO intention of offering a public option. It was clear that Sens. Baucus and Grassley (DUMB and DUMBER) were following the President's lead. Now, they are temporarily "out in the cold." How much longer they stay that way depends on how much pressure we CONTINUE put on him to listen to the 70+% of American people who WANT a public option, or even better, a single-payer option.
PRESSURE ON!
Obama's not to blame.
I voted for Obama in the GE, but suffered no illusions about his progressivism, or lack thereof. By his own admission, he is no liberal. He is a centrist, and I don't mean that in an accusatory or pejorative way. On policy, he is very close to Clinton, arguably slightly right of Edwards, and significantly right of Kucinich or Nader. Those that believed otherwise, and sold him as such throughout the primaries and the GE are the ones that practiced their own selective listening and interpretation, and in doing so, set the "true progressive" bar way too high for Obama to clear. They also called anyone who disagreed with their vision of Obama, be they other candidates or their supporters, "DINOs", "Republican-lites", "trolls", or just a plain old "racists". To be fair, Obama didn't really do much to discourage them, but then again, he was a politician trying to win an election.
Why would he?
My bar for Obama was not very high .... I figured he'd be better than McCain, and on most policy issues he was close to Clinton and Edwards. He didn't have much experience, but he could run a campaign, had the support of a party with significant numbers in Congress/Senate, and a had public that was sick of Bush and the Republican agenda in general. In short, he would have the tools to make bold, substantial change.
Yeah, ..... right. The tools, maybe, ..... just not the will and the courage.
In any case, before any of the disillusioned "true progressives" start blaming Obama for suddenly and inexplicably changing, or, more often, failing to meet their definition of "Change", well, ...
... maybe they should look in the mirror.
Measure twice cut once
The Ghost of LBJ Comes Back to Haunt Us
continuum of support
Euphoria is gone
I remain a hopeful skeptic.
Paul Krugman put it well in his column on Friday.
"When it comes to domestic policy, there are two Barack Obamas.
On one side there’s Barack the Policy Wonk, whose command of the issues — and ability to explain those issues in plain English — is a joy to behold.
But on the other side there’s Barack the Post-Partisan, who searches for common ground where none exists, and whose negotiations with himself lead to policies that are far too weak."
And here's part of what I wrote as a comment, #66
What part of 72% of the American people being in favor of a public plan does Obama not understand?
The Republicans say no to everything, so they can be ignored. They lost the election in November and they display not a shred of interest in cooperating with the Democrats on anything in the interest of the public.
Since when do Max Baucus (MT) and Kent Conrad (ND) get to control the conversation about the health care plan that affects millions, some of them even in the sparsely populated Great Plains? I know Baucus has received millions in campaign contributions from the health care industry. Conrad too perhaps?
Hello, President Obama. Where did you lose your nerve and your willingness to represent the millions who elected you? The natives are getting restless. Financial regulation toothless so far. Banks still lying through their teeth, people losing their jobs and their homes. Transparency was a nice campaign promise. Who would have guessed the White House would emulate Cheney and refuse to release the list of visitors? Hello again. Why does the public not get to know who's doing the public business in the White House? As far as I know it's supported with tax dollars.
And let's not even get started on Bagram being closed to the reach of American law and renditions continuing and pictures and documents about interrogations and detainees not being released.
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Further I would say that I'm totally disillusioned about our democracy. The bankers and financiers have a choke-hold on the economy. Essential health care reform is seriously jeopardized by Congress being on the health care industry payroll. Over 70% of Americans want a single payer or public health insurance option but almost to a person Congress says that it's "off the table" and Senator Baucus had doctors and nurses arrested for daring to try to speak about it at hearings.
And the national security state is determined to continue most of the appalling policies so enthusiastically introduced and adopted by the Bush administration. Not that they started it. Obama is so far unable or unwilling to stand up to them. And I imagine Cheney and Addington are getting a good chuckle (outright glee doesn't suit their temperaments) at the Obama White House enjoying and hoarding the executive power they explicitly expanded in the previous 8 years.
I certainly am cynical about our government in general. Will Obama emerge as strong counterweight or will he be just a more articulate version of the presidents we have in the past 50 or 60 years?
Colleen Clark
Cambridge, MA
rosebeck
Thank you
Obama Cynic
Two sides of the fence
The question in my mind has
"That Damn Zoo on the Hill"
How Much Slack to Cut Obama
I don't believe ANYTHING I hear
Can you say Betrayal
Neither
CYNIC
Total Cynic
Neither cynic or truster, just depressed that it isn't happening
re-regulate the banks by re-introducing and ramming Glass Stegall Act through Congress, regulate all derivatives and prosecute all the bankers, mortgage brokers, lawyers et al involved in the subprime mortgage and derivatives scandal;
prosecute Bush employees for illegal wire tapping, spying, torture and false and malicious prosecution of political enemies;
immediately bring back the SEC up-tick rule and staff up the SEC and FBI with investigators, lawyers and forensic accountants;
fire Timothy Geithner and Lawrence Summers and replace them with Dean Baker and Paul Krugman;
overhaul bankruptcy law by re-criminalizing stock offering fraud and give federal bankruptcy judges the legal right to cram down underwater mortgages;
identify every unqualified political Bush hack appointed to a federal civil service job and replace them with qualified professionals;
spearhead Single Payer Healthcare through Congress and offer limited compensation to health insurance companies for their cooperation in transitioning to a federal government system (horse drawn carriage and buggy whip companies didn't get any compensation when the automobile industry pushed them out of business);
replace the American War of Terror against non-white Americans and the Moslem World with forced peace negotiations between the Arabs and Israelis and force a 2-state settlement with a permanent NATO peace keeping force between the two people;
legislate national right of way standards for wind power and solar system installations and transmission lines and provide substantial incentives so that all available wind power and solar farm sites will be utilized;
pilot and legislate standards for carbon sequestration technologies such as installing lime stone scrubbers on all coal, oil and gas fired power plants;
subsidize transportation of bulk items via railroads, barges and ships to discourage trailer truck usage and raise the federal excise gasoline tax to reduce gasoline demand;
demand the resignation from all US Military Officers that have failed to serve and protect the United States Constitution;
reintroduce the Rule of Law by immediately banning electronic touch screen voting machines and prosecuting Karl Rove and his gang of thugs for 8 years of election rigging.
enforce FCC regulations by prosecuting Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, et al for violating FCC regulations and legislate the immediate break-up of all media monopolies as well as pass tax legislation that gives a $200 tax credit for $200 purchase of any newspaper subscription;
America would be well on its way back to being the beacon on the hill for the rest of the world to admire and emulate if Obama was doing his job of ending the Reagan Devolution...
Cynic....
My 2 cents...
I suggest that everyone rent
I Promise....
Although, as a rule, I try
Oppression
'fraid I dissagree...
"God" I Hate My Political World
Take my name off the Dem list