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Organ Failure and Death

FINDING A VOICE by Ann Davidow

 

Watching Professor John Yoo and David Addington dance around questions when they appeared before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Civil Rights was a jaw-dropping experience - - a moment of truth that derived not so much from the answers given by the two subjects of inquiry but rather more from a default position as they wiggled around and away from addressing in a forthright manner what they were asked.

Strangely, after his aggressively assertive memos regarding executive power and torture, Yoo was evasive and prone to parsing every statement with comments such as "I refer you to my opening statement" which drew angry interruptions from various members of the committee to ‘just answer the question yes or no.' When he wasn't doing that he often turned to a Justice Department representative seated behind him for advice as to whether he could reply to specific questions about interrogation techniques, how they were applied and who authorized them. And when asked if his legal opinions and definitions of torture had been implemented, there was a long convoluted harangue between Yoo and questioner regarding the meaning of the word "implemented."

Yoo's early memos claim a unique insight into "the mindset of the framers" who would, according to his analysis, have endorsed the president's power of "unilateral warmaking." (The Nation, Stephen Holmes, 4/13/06) Yet his diffidence with the committee suggested that he might have some concerns about how his opinions shaped policies regarding detentions and what the president likes to call "enhanced interrogation methods" - - to say nothing of how broadly this administration has interpreted its war powers. When asked if water-boarding or the use of dogs were acceptable interrogation techniques, Yoo said his answers might take him into classified areas. Please.

For his part, Addington, Chief of Staff and former counsel to VP Cheney, said that, while he had visited Gitmo and observed the questioning of some detainees, the sessions appeared to be just conversations, nothing unusual. And in responding about whether the use of "harsher methods" had been discussed, he said "I don't recall", the preferred response by members of this administration when they are willing to testify at all. Again, as with Yoo, it would seem that if Addington felt the president was within his rights to do "whatever was required" in extracting information from "terrorist" suspects, he could simply have said we did what we needed to do. Period!

But neither man made such a bold assertion, and that's what was so illuminating about the proceedings. Suddenly both Addington and Yoo felt constrained to temper positions that had seemed so compelling in the past with the softening agent of forgetfulness and by distancing themselves from actual events. Clearly Congress had assumed its anti-torture legislation would be respected by the executive branch, but the question soon became how exactly torture was to be defined.

Yoo had advanced the opinion that unless interrogation methods resulted in injury that caused organ failure, death or serious impairment of bodily functions they did not fit the definition of torture. Why then the tiptoeing around questions from the committee when these White House advocates had been so sure of themselves in the past? One clue might be derived from Yoo's earlier opinions about executive power that were and continue to be in dispute. The Constitution did after all grant very specific powers to three separate branches of government. As Ivan Eland put it "...more tragic and dangerous for the republic than the quagmires of Iraq and Afghanistan have been President Bush's Yoo-surping of power from the other two branches of government and the creation of the hyper-imperial presidency." (http://www.anti-war.com/, 4/7/08)

Congress does not take kindly either to being ignored or having its legislation perverted beyond recognition. And so when asked if anyone in the administration had gone back to Congress to ascertain what they meant by torture, the answer was, typically enough, a most unsatisfactory and not pleasantly received "not to my knowledge."

In any case, pretty much everyone gets ‘the death thing', and it doesn't conform to any rational definition of torture. As Supreme Court Justice Stewart said back in the ‘60s, about pornography, ‘I can't define it, but I know it when I see it.' So are most Americans able to identify torture when they see or hear about it; it's only the current leadership and its stooges who strive to confuse the issue.

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FINDING A VOICE by Ann Davidow




But My Pal Wrote this book!

uh1h One of chidishly imperious Addington's lines of defense was to refer,repeatedly , to a self serving, written to exonerate himself ahead of time, book by Johnnie Yoo, the guy whose in equal trouble sitting next to him! " See, it's right here , IN PRINT, my God what more proof do you need?" Geez, I'd like to take Addington down to the sight of what used to be The World Trade Center and scrape his face on the good ol' New York pavement for about twenty minutes . ( I hope I don't sound bitter)

I heard one of the best reasons to not torture recently..

That just about every dictatorship throughout history started with the torture thing.At first they torture people that aren't considered part of the general population.And then gradually you start to see a more aggressive and more violent action on the general public at the hands of the police force. And then slowly but surely,the torture thing works it's way to people that look just like you:ie:the general public.Judging by the recent news reports that's exactly what's happening now to make the uni-lateral imperial presidency,the final act of the dictatorship.

Absolutely - and From My Own Responses, You Can See How It Goes

When a Government starts to so disregard and disrespect basic human rights like "don't torture" and "don't call people who just don't agree w/you 'traitors'", people get rightly pissed off...and burn for revenge. I certainly do - and I think it's only Right&Just that those who support torture and slander like Yoo and Gonzalez and the Rest of The Bush Nazis, have it tossed right back in their faces so hard it shatters their teeth! And who can blame me, really? They ARE The Real Traitors, the Ammurikan Sheeple only REALLY respect Public Displays of Toughness...and best of all, They Have It Coming, Big-Time!

But...and this is the real reason Torture Is Bad, not some milksop finger-wagging "Nuh-huh-uh! That's Not NICE!" as too often seems the Alpha and Omega of recent American Liberal Thought - what happens NEXT, after I've gotten my jollies achieved the Righteous Justice of seeing Yoo and especially that torture-enabler Gonzalez get their huevos scrambled but good at Gitmo? Well, one of two things happen - either people who support or care for Yoo and Gonzalez (and Bush and Cheney and Ashcroft and Mukasey and all the OTHER Bush Nazis - hey, somebody must like them, right?) burn for revenge against me for acting on my burning for revenge against them...or, now that I've already established my dominance at Gitmo and gotten MY enemies tortured Given What They've Deserved For a Long Time, there are thousands, no MILLIONS of other people just as deserving of a Long Cuban Vacation, right? Just like Koko in THE MIKADO, I've Got a Little List - that runs from Bush to five of the nine members of the Supreme Court to quisling Blue Dog DLC Dems all the way down to my Pro-Bush (still!) relatives who question my patriotism every time I have to talk to them - so why shouldn't I, reasonably, punish THEM, too...? And the next thing you know, I've joined the ranks of Stalin, Hitler, Robespierre...and Gonzalez, Yoo, Cheney, Mukasey and Bush....

In the end, I came to support Barack Obama because I desperately want to put a stop to this madness, even in myself - not continue it Under New Management. I will be so very disappointed if in the end, Obama turns out to be Just Another Centrist who will continue the very thing he's run to put a stop to, at the cost of our National Soul....

Wrong is wrong

Why would it be acceptable to torture those who authorized the torture? Torture is illegal under treaty and our laws. It's wrong. It's beastial and twisted, no matter who does it or for what reason. We can NEVER recover from this until all of us stop talking like this. What is this disconnect many people seem to have with what they want others working for or government to do for them and their personal responsibility for it being done? It's akin to the disconnect that CEOs, etal have with what their corporations do. We are all personally responsible for what we tell our elected and appointed officials to do or not to do or stay silent when we know better. We are personally responsible when we answer questions in polls that give a nod to illegal acts. Pat Williams

"Wrong" is Ironic Justice, IMO

You think torture isn't "inhumane" and actually works, Sparky?

Then F&#king TRY It YOURSELF and See How YOU LIKE IT, ASSHOLE!!!!!!

Great Merciful Goddess - sometimes I think the Right is on the money about milksop libburulism.....

Yoo and Addington.

Hey guys, here's an idea. When these guys, refuse to answer the questions - WATERBOARD THE BASTARDS! Maybe it won't elicit the truth, but it will, at least, wipe the self-satisfied smirks off of their faces.

I'm Liking That Idea Myself

But why stop at simulated drowning? Get a car battery and wire their shriveled balls up for little electroshock therapy while we're at it! THAT will wipe those smirks off their faces for SURE!

For all of you who are shocked at how "incorrect" that statement is? THEY set the terms of the debate - we're just turning it back on THEM in a Fair and Balanced manner. The reasons these thugs can consider torture a viable option is b/c they never, ever think it could be turned on THEM -I say let's disabuse the lot of 'em on that notion, now!