Obama Needs to Decide Which Side He's On: Corporatist or Populist. Time is Running Out.
STEPHEN CROCKETT FOR BUZZFLASH
It is time to purge the corporatists from the Democratic power structure. The real work of the Democratic Party is done by grassroots activists. These activists are the Democratic Party. They should run it at every level.
This conclusion has become clear in the aftermath of the tainted Blanche Lincoln primary victory in Arkansas. It took massive voter disenfranchisement and the intervention of both former President Bill Clinton and President Barack Obama for Lincoln to squeak out a victory.
Obama still has not learned that the Obama Movement that put him in the White House was not really about Obama. It was about a set of progressive policies that constituted “change we can believe in.”
Former President Clinton started the process of going Republican-lite and selling out parts of the Democratic base around specific policy issues. Union members and American workers were shafted by the false promises surrounding “so-called free trade deals.” Poor Americans really suffered from some aspects of his welfare reform ideas. Deregulation helped create media consolidation that gave the corporations excessive control of public policy discussions and American politics.
Hillary Clinton was the driving force behind the most progressive policy goal of the Clinton Presidency which was the failed attempt at healthcare reform. America would have been a much better place if she had been President instead of Bill Clinton. One note of caution in her background was her position at one point on the Wal-Mart Board but her overall political history is solidly progressive.
President Clinton was not as bad on corporate issues as Reagan or both of the Bushes but he was pretty bad for a Democrat. He was not as bad as Senator Blanche Lincoln. Lincoln received more campaign money from Big Oil than any other Senator regardless of political party. She was the leading force in blocking the public option in healthcare reform.
Blanche Lincoln stopped the Employee Free Choice Act from even getting debated on the floor of the US Senate. She has a terrible record on trade policy, environmental protections, tax policy and deregulation. Blanche Lincoln has proven herself the most “corporatist” Senator in the relatively small “corporatist” wing of the Democratic Party.
Union activists, progressives and environmentalists are the majority of foot soldiers that go to battle for Democratic candidates at every level in every community of the nation. Along with civil rights leaders, civil libertarians, peace activists and the progressive Internet community, these activists give more money to elect Democrats than every corporation combined.
The corporations make the big donations and control the mainstream media but their values are really more Republican than Democratic. They value money over people. They value money over traditional American values. They value money over American patriotism. They value money over ethics, honesty and decency. Their values are directly at odds with the core values of the Democratic base.
We need to return to the values of FDR and the New Deal. We need to capture every Democratic Party office and drive out the corporatists. The Democratic Party is a much better institution because we drove out the Southern racist faction (and the northern one) and we need to do the same with the corporatists.
Obama needs to decide if he is going to be the leader of this effort or an obstacle. If he elects to be an obstacle, he will not get a second term. If he joins in this populist effort, he might go down in history as an equal to our greatest American President, Franklin D. Roosevelt.
With or without Obama, we need to take over every local Democratic Committee, every Democratic club and elect our “real Democrats” to public office. Government is not our enemy as long as it has not been captured by corporations. The US Constitution says we “the people” are the government. Corporations are not people despite the radical Right Wing Supreme Court rulings.
The Tea Party crowd has been captured and in some cases created by corporate forces. They cannot be the populist engine for “change you can believe in” but you and your friends can be that populist engine. Get angry, get active and fight corporatism regardless of political party.
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"Obama still has not learned
"Obama still has not learned that the Obama Movement that put him in the White House was not really about Obama. It was about a set of progressive policies that constituted “change we can believe in.”
BRAVO! RIGHT ON! When Obama said "CHANGE!" he clearly meant "_I_ will now be a part of the Multi-Millionaire RULING CLASS, like clinton, clinton, cheney, and Bush Jr. before me."
BOTH Clinton in '92, and Obama's election in 2008, were about the American public OVERWHELMINGLY REJECTING the POLICIES of the "Washington Consensus" - the NY & DC autocratic "ESTABLISHMENT" ELITES who POWERED the Bush-1 and Bush-2 presidencies. BOTH Clinton & Obama, because of their NARCISSISM & arrogant ego, convinced themselves that the elections were ABOUT THEM.
They BOTH ended up buying into the NEO-CON LUNACY... the MILTON FRIEDMAN "PINOCHET _DICTATORSHIP is a 'FREE MARKET'" LUNACY that is now gospel for the NEO-CON 'economists' and Goldamn-Sachs financial swindlers!
(Greenspan, Bernanke, Rubin, Summers, Geithner, Gensler, Orszag, Lieberman, Bernstein to name only a few.) They are all SHREDDING the American SOCIAL SAFETY NET that took 100 years of blood, sweat, toil, tears, exertion, dedication, TWO world wars, and a Great Depression (AND the Cold War) to create!
BILLIONS of dollars (trillions $$ !) of taxpayer EXTORTED, SOCIALIZED BAILOUTS for banksters... while simultaneously SHREDDING the Social Safety net - IS the Neo-Con agenda!!
Win? What do you win with Dumb-o-crats?
We all got totally punked in 2006/2008. Remember impeachment? Public option? Coddling BP? Actually expanding Bush's "unitary exective" (i.e. dictatorial presidency)?
Ken Salazar, Geitner, et al could just as easily have been appointed by a Republican.
You get NOTHING by electing Democrats, except driving off the cliff at only 50 mph instead of 75 mph. Same disastrous corporatist, anti-environment, anti-people direction. Any difference is too small to matter.
The Dumb-o-cratic Party HATES liberals. They DESPISE their own base! And they make no real attempt even to hide this fact (e.g. Rahm Emanuel).
LEAVE THE DUMB-0-CRATS!!
No real negotiation takes place unless your side is willing to walk away from the table. The left, dissed by the Dems for far too long, should leave. Period.
Then, and only then, will liberal ideas/policies be taken seriously by the once great Democratic Party, and will the U.S.A ever have a fighting chance to save itself from the cancer of conservatism.
Absolutely correct, ChrisB... Obama is MORE Bush-Cheney...
EVERYTHING that Barack Obama does, is to WHITEWASH and CHEERLEAD the NEO-CON HIJACKING of America...
...in short, Obama is nothing but a slightly more literate (but EVERY BIT AS pig-headedly obtuse) CONTINUATION of BUSH & CHENEY - he abjectly REFUSES to hear OPPOSING VIEWPOINTS, he is the diametrical opposite of a scholar who is open to data that may refute his own thesis.
This is TWO STRAIGHT HACK Presidents with HARVARD grad. degrees that university - and the NY/DC/Ivy League "establishment" - have foisted on us.
The Ivy League is merely the intellectual arm of the NY/DC establishment, just as Goddamn-Sachs and JPMorgan-Chase (Citi, BoA, et al) are the financial arm of the NY/DC establishment; and just as the "mainstream media" is the propaganda arm of the NY/DC establishment.
Obama's BP OIL BLOWOUT speech (without even having to read or see it) was MORE OF THE SAME:
- MORE TAXPAYER EXTORTED "bailouts" for GODDAMN SACHS & financial swindlers
- MORE oil & fossil-fuel GLUTTONY & PROFITEERING,
- MORE SAVAGING the 100+ year American Social Safety Net on behalf of his treasonous NeoCon congress-bribing overlords,
- MORE OUTSOURCING of US industry,
- more WARS
- more DARK MARKETS to allow Wall Street to FLEECE investors..
Obama is becoming as transparently prevaricating as Richard Nixon, Dick Cheney, and both Presidents Bush (and Clinton at his worst) - put together.
If I was a corporatist, I would have written the comment above
The Dumb-O-Crat phrase is routinely used by the most extreme Right wingers on the Internet like the Freepers of Free Republic.com.
All this 3rd Party talk is basically political masturbation. It feels good but is basically pointless.
It is a sure fire recipe for having the corporatist rule both parties and the government at every level.
It is complete "defeatism" and will result in complete defeat for a progressive agenda.
Right Winger often pretend to be progressives and promote this kind of commentary and strategy just to defeat real progressive change.
I am done interacting with this community. I cannot take most of you seriously as agents for progressive change.
You do not know how to win or exercise power and defeat yourselves before you do anything but complain.
Disappointed,
Stephen Crockett
Host of Democratic Talk Radio & Editor of Mid-Atlantic Labor.com
Moving on. . . .
Mr. Crockett:
As I said elsewhere in this thread, you're basically promoting a two party solution and a variation on the "Yes, we can" theme wherein we once again vote Democratic.
Is there a "traitor" in our midst?
I speculated on that in my first posting in this thread when I suggested that your talking points were not that much different from what Karl Rove's (or Rahm Emanuel's?) would be, if he were to try and insinuate himself into the progressive community.
Moving on. . . .
So how do we get Mark Karlin's attention and begin to organize a strategic planning process?
Can any of the readers of this thread get Mark's ear?
Absolutely correct, mgdr - KARL ROVE's talking points are
Absolutely correct, mgdr - RAHM EMANUEL's talking points are IDENTICAL with KARL ROVE's!!!!
The great tragedy in America today, is that the vast majority of Americans (including, apparently, plenty of well read Buzzflashers & Huffposters) can NOT SEE those striking similarities, the (scratch obama's more literate yakking style) IDENTICAL policies & agendas between Bush and Obama-Bushie.
(According to many military experts, the USA & allies ONLY won WWII by INTENSIVE CODE-BREAKING efforts... The British, Polish, & French mathematicians broke the German "Enigma" code, ALLOWING Allied forces to win vital victories (including apparently the Battle of Atlantic war against U-boats sinking fully loaded freighters with millions of dollars of irreplacable war supplies on them), and of course, the US Navy was ONLY able to win the Battle of Midway, because our code-breakers had broken the Japanese Navy code, and our forces staged an "ambush" against the Japanese carriers north of Midway at "Point Lucky." We won those vital victories by CONNECTING some VERY TENUOUS dots.... today, Americans are TOO STUPID to see the IDENTICAL agendas of Karl Rove & the Rahm Emanuel White House!)
Sore Loser!
We don't agree with you, so you take your ball and go home, casting insults over your shoulder as you slink away?
Don't let the door hit you on your aching seat!
Walking Away from the Table
Nicely stated and a lot more succinct than my two "Saving the Soul of the Democratic Party" pieces below.
Noting too that most of the other respondents seem to feel similarly, though few are talking out loud as I am about not just walking away from the negotiating table but forming a monster third party.
Venting isn't enough. People need to talk tactics and strategy, but that isn't getting done. I want to join with other people in getting this walking away business started.
Can Buzzflash be used in some way to give that legs? Can we even communicate with one another any longer by email on Buzzflash? If the latter is true, please write me and let's chat in private on how we can get this going.
I Second This Motion
It is time to take action, for there are no more excuses not to. Are you listening, Mark Karlin?
Third!
The Democratic Party has evolved into a mechanism for neutralizing the energy of progressives. It sops up their votes like a corrupt sponge, and protects corporate profits as its first priority. Voting Democratic has no effect -- It's always (corporate) business as usual.
We have two options:
1. Make them see Democratic votes go to a real progressive party (like the Green Party) until they start passing progressive legislation, or
2. Grow a progressive party until it can take power from the Democrats.
We can make progress toward both options by voting for progressive parties NOW.
A powerful advantage the Democratic Party has over the Green Party is its perceived legitmacy. This legitimacy is undeserved, as the Democrats have sold us out to corporate interests every step of the way. Voting Democratic contributes to their undeserved legitimacy, and makes YOU part of the problem. Be part of the solution!
Vote Green!
Mark Karlin Responds
We enjoy the energetic comments, and this is the place to state your views. BuzzFlash is not a site that organizes political parties, so we can't help you there. We were sorry to discontinue the mailbag, but static letters aren't as lively as the conversation about this commentary, and we have options on buzzflash.net as well posting commentaries from readers with frequency.
BuzzFlash is, alas, underfunded and the last thing we would do is overextend our limited resources to try to resolve the problem of the Republicrats by organizing a new party. We will leave that to our fired up readers. In many ways, it is true: there is now only one party, the corporatist party.
So go at it. We're listening at BuzzFlash.
The DLC runs the
Democratic Party. It also has one play in it's playbook good for ninety yards and a TD everytime it runs it on progressive voters. It's called fake left go right on change.
Not factual
The DLC does not run the Democratic Party. Nobody does. It is a coalition entity with thousands of different organizational structures. It is not even a cohesive entity and does not even exist independent of the tousands of independent pieces.
All this discussion seems based on the idea that it is a single thing. It is not and never has been. No political party is unless it is tiny. Even the Republicans are not although they are a much more top down organization.
Your analysis is based on a failed model. Officeholders are not the Democratic Party. They use the party name but usually do not even come from the grassroots Party structure.
The Democratic Party is the grassroots, the voters, the activists who knock on doors, make the phone calls, etc. When you realize this, you will understand that the Democratic Party is already progressive.
We just need to cleanout the candidate and some staffers in key positions to seize control of most of the thousands of components and exercise greater progressive power.
I realize that most of you here do not know how or are too lazy to try. You would rather make yourselves irrelevant.
Sad,
Stephen Crockett
Host of Democratic Talk Radio & Editor of Mid-Atlantic Labor.com
It seems to me we have
It seems to me we have already tried all that. Best example is Howard Dean. He got some momentum and the gate keepers kicked his teeth in. We've been down that dead end already. The only reason Obama got elected Is because he sweet talked the progressives and the gate keepers knew he would stab them in the back as soon as the election was done. It's not about Dems or Repubs any more. The problem is the strange hold the corporate elite have on both parties and they will prevent any threat to their power by any means. That is the nut to crack and honestly I don't know how it will be done.
Be The Media
As the theme of The X-Files presented, The Truth IS Out There. The problem is disseminating it.
When you find something that you believe to be the truth, send it (with links so they can verify it for themselves) to your friends and relatives. Keep sending things as you find them, for until a seed of corporate media doubt can be planted, no change is even possible. Anyone who rejects what you point out to them is a lost cause anyway.
We have to use the Internet while we still have it, so start today. Any delay could prove fatal to the cause.
The Obvious
Why can't Progressives do the obvious? Why can't we just form a "Green Labor" Party. Or "Progressive Green" Party? Or some variation that will simply stand for the people? We have the means (internet) and the desire. If the major constituencies can band together(Labor, Liberal/Progressives, Environmentalists, Minorities, and the Poor/Working Class) I believe that would constitute a majority. Or, at the least one hell of a voting block. One large enough to throw both houses of Congress into a gridlock that only that new party can break. We wouldn't even NEED to run anybody for President. At least, not right away. One rule is all we'd need. NO CORPORATE DONATIONS!! We don't need major media coverage. If the leaders of these constituencies can come together long enough and strong enough to create a party structure that can find and vette candidates, even just for the House, that's a start. Enough members in the House alone, and the R's & D's would have to start dealing. It's just a start, but a start is all we'd need.
We can turn the Democratic Party into a Green Labor Party
At the grassroots level we are already most of the way there. It would take 25-30 years to build a viable 3rd Party that could replace the base we already have.
Stephen Crockett
Host of Democratic Talk Radio & Editor of Mid-Atlantic Labor.com
The working families party is not a real third party
it endorsed Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she voted for the war, and it endorsed the mandates to buy health insurance bill with no public option. They are in no way shape of form a subsitute for the greens. You have to go through republicrats to get fusion voting or instant runoff. I just think the dems need to be destroyed like the whigs were in the 1850s. We will have to suffer for term or two so a new replacement second party can take its place. My choice is the greens.
Working Families Party is a 3rd Party that elects officeholders
It only takes positions on economic issues. Endorsing a mainstream candidate does not mean it is not a real third party.
It seems your definition is that it is not a real third party unless you have a strategy to lose elections. I like to win. I do not like being powerless. The Greens are powerless. I wish that was not true.
Host of Democratic Talk Radio & Editor of Mid-Atlantic Labor.com
Lack of understanding of article is puzzling.... did you read it
The article is not about Obama. It is about remaking the Democratic Party in a populist, progressive fashion. The real action is going to be in every other level of government and all internal Democratic Party offices.
If you missed this basic point than you reacted just to the Buzzflash headline.... which is not the one I gave this article.
I was not a Mrs. Clinton booster nor an early Obama supporter. I stated that she was more progressive than her husband. She has basically progressive instincts that her husband does not seem to share. Neither are pro-union enough for me... but Mrs. Clinton has a better record.
I backed Obama over McCain. Obama sometimes gets it right and McCain never does post-2008.
My early Democratic Presidential candidate I liked best were Edwards and Biden mostly for different reasons.
Anyone who thinks hitching your support to an individual instead of a set of policy positions, ideas and values is always going to be bitterly disappointed.
Even my hero FDR was not always right on every issue. The New Deal was driven by a movement not just a man. Not one of you seemed to focus on the part of the article that says that the Obama Movement was not about Obama. It was policy based. The policy list was the "change you can believe in" not the man.
It still is.... the policy change list remains and is separate from the man. If you commented without getting that point then you are commenting out of ignorance.
Obama in my opinion will react to populist pressure if it starts changing the political players in the Senate, House, Governorships, state legislatures and Democratic Party offices. If he does not, he will be toast in 2012.
Either way, Presidents never last more than 4 years so if you want to change the system, then go after all the other elected offices. the changes you make last long after the Presidents are gone from power.
Going third party is guaranteed defeat unless you first push for fusion balloting. The Working Families Party gets this but the Greens do not. If you are an economic populist and want to go third party, then check out the Working Families Party.
I like the Greens but they elect absolutely nobody and do not seem to have any winnable strategy to change that situation. This is why rich Republicans often fund efforts to get the Greens on the ballot. they are doing it in Texas today.
You are not hurting the corporatists by going Green. You are just giving them even more power. You do hurt them by capturing the power institutions they use to rig the game. In the Democratic Party, the grassroots already far outnumber the corporatist elite. It would be relatively easy to influence current government policies by taking over the Democrats.
The Arkansas primary race was a near miss for the progressive community. Lincoln is already toast for the general election. The Sestak win in Pennsylvania was a huge win for progressives.
Most of you are really off on tangents based on the Buzzflash title. You really do not seem to understand a critical article as critical because you are wrapped up in your own ideas that mostly are not relevant to what I wrote.
In solidarity,
Stephen Crockett
Host of Democratic Talk Radio & Editor of Mid-Atlantic Labor.com
What Would George Do?
With respect, Mr. Crockett, your attachment to the Democratic Party which just soundly slapped organized labor for opposing their choice of Blanche Lincoln in Arkansas is puzzling.
Are you not paying attention to the efforts of the Obama administration to break the teachers unions? Did you not watch as the UAW was ground into submission while the bankers holding GM and Chrysler debt were rewarded with TARP money? Are you not seeing the IAM being flown into the ground by the aerospace industry? Did you miss the lack of support by the Obama administration for card-check? What is it going to take for you to see that we who aren't falling in place behind your fife-and-drum color guard have valid reasons for not wanting to return to the Democrats?
I don't know what age you are, but I suspect that you should be watching Obama allow the Congress to gut Medicare payments to the doctors. It's going to affect you. As more doctors opt out of taking Medicare patients, the system will collapse completely and Obama will pretend that he had nothing to do with this. He's working for the enemy, and you want to award him decorations.
You really should read Washington's Farewell Address, in which he warned the nation against allowing the very situation in which we now find ourselves, and he also clearly explained the motives of those who put us where we now are. You might then rethink your attachment to political parties.
I need no lessons on the UAW. I am UAW
Try talking about something you know about. Obama is not my favorite politican but our problems in the recent auto industry collapse came from the Republican Right not the Obama White House.
My personal office is located in a UAW union hall. I rent it from the union. I belong to the National writers Union which is also known as UAW Local 1981. I was raised in A UAW family in a community dominated by autoworkers. My father has been in the UAW rank-n-file for 53 years. I briefly worked on an assembly line myself.
We did not get shafted by the Obama white House. We got shafted by Republican US Senators and by federal judges appointed by Republicans. We would have really been shafted much worse without White House support.
Really tired of this unreasonable resistance to an effective course of action to winning strategies.
Disappointed,
Stephen Crockett
Host of Democratic Talk Radio & Editor of Mid-Atlantic Labor.com
It Wasn't Obama Who Failed Us?
Then who was it that repeatedly advanced toward the GOP with both hands held high over his head? It sure looked like Obama to me!
Who was it that chided the unions last week for spending all that money to unseat Blanche Lincoln? My sources say it came from the White House, which last time I looked was nominally occupied by someone claiming to be a Democrat.
Who was it last year who kept telling the progressives to scale back their expectations about health care reform? Besides Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, that is? That guy sure sounded like Obama!
But then, what do we know? We don't host a talk radio show like some people.
The working families party is not a real third party
it endorsed Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she voted for the war, and it endorsed the mandates to buy health insurance bill with no public option. They are in no way shape of form a subsitute for the greens. You have to go through republicrats to get fusion voting or instant runoff. I just think the dems need to be destroyed like the whigs were in the 1850s. We will have to suffer for term or two so a new replacement second party can take its place. My choice is the greens.
Saving the Democratic Party's Soul . . . Redux
Thank you again, Mr. Crockett.
It is certainly not common for prominent bloggers to castigate "most" of their respondents as being tangential and off-target, but you just did. I trust that my own remarks (see "Saving the Democratic Party's Soul" in a very recent response to your blog piece), were very much on-point.
You continue to believe that the Democratic Party is the only viable strategic option for progressives. You suggest taking over the party. You are calling for another round of, "Yes, we can," wherein we tell ourselves that with the right "treatment," the Democratic Party can be delivered from its cancer. I am likening the Democratic Party to the primary cancer itself.
These are indeed times when public anger is riding very high, and I believe that it can be constructively channeled into a third party wherein independents, disaffected Democrats and progressives are united.
I do agree that a vote for political parties that cannot win is dangerous, and I think your characterization of the Green Party was probably pretty accurate. Where we disagree is whether the Dems are worth "rehabilitating" or whether it is even possible.
We also have enormous disagreement on whether a third party now would be the same as a third party of yesteryear. I am thinking it could easily become a monster-party based on the widespread populist backlash so prevalent in these times.
It doesn't matter whether the opposition in 2012 is Sarah Palin or some other Christofascist. Yeats' "Beast" slouches ever closer to Bethlehem. If we don't start getting our act together now, we probably never will.
We agree on this last point, if not on a strategy: Time is running out.
I only speak for myself
I am not out to win a popularity contest here.
I really do not care if anyone likes or dislikes me personally. I only care about changing the country in real time to make it a better place for American workers, the middle classes and the poor.
If you want to help, great. If you want to try to defeat that change then you are an enemy and I am going to try to defeat you. If you want to push defeatist tactic but believe in them. I respect your right to do so but you have made yourself essebntially irrelevant...
I am not going to let enemies or irrelevant folks twist my writings into something I do not even recognize. Getting off topic undermines my purpose and I find it annoying. Sorry if you are uphappy that I do not like my work misused.
Sincerely,
Stephen Crockett
Host of Democratic Talk Radio & Editor of Mid-Atlantic Labor.com
Useful definitional frames
It is difficult to label the real enties that have been and still are at war since at least the birth of the country. We know now that the Boston Tea Party was one of the first skirmishes -- that local tea merchants objected to the tax exemption that King George gave to the East Indian Tea company, considered the first corporation. So one side could be labeled The Corporation. The other side? It's We the People, The Democracy. Corporatist and Populist will serve. BTW, let's look for favorable resolutions to that war, taking all opportunities to have another successful overthrow of The Corporation -- and not get hung up in the Obama issues.
Obama is "The Corporation".
Obama is "The Corporation".
Re: Obama is "The Corporation".
The Corporator.
"Trying to Save the Democratic Party's Soul"
Dear Mr. Crockett:
I do not mean to sound mean-spirited, but your argument here is either hopelessly naive or else you yourself are working for the corporately-owned DNC.
You suggest that Obama should decide which side he is on, but in everything from Geithner/Afghanistan to his handling of BP, he has clearly shown not just that he has been on the corporatist side, but that he was groomed for the presidency by those same corporations.
The progressive community knows all that, so now, you are promoting Hillary as the goddess of beauty and truth, and you are trying to resurrect that tired old notion about saving the Democratic Party's soul. That's Dennis Kucinich's signature line as well, and a lot of progressive organizations also subscribe to it. They get a lot of existentially confirmatory Martyr/Victim-Points in doing that, of course, but not much more.
Thanks, but no thanks. Problem is that the Democratic Party has no soul. Or, alternatively, if you want to really save it's soul, you'd first have to drive a stake through it's heart, stuff its mouth with garlic and cut off its head. You're not wanting to do that, however. Instead, you're continuing to bang on the two-party drum.
I'm wondering if Karl Rove wrote your talking points, sir. Or Hillary? Or perhaps Obama himself?
I have voted Dem all my life--a progressive who was always snookered by the "lesser of two evils" argument--and I'm in my 60s. Never again. No way. Moreover, I will not vote for the most progressive local or state Democratic politicians either, as long as they identify as Democratic.
Not after Obama. Not after what amounts to the biggest betrayal in my lifetime.
Yes, I'm willing to sacrifice the 2010 election in order to prevent Sarah Palin or Glenn Beck from ascending to the Executive Branch in 2012. My hope is that the Democratic Party withers at the root after the November 2010 elections. I wouldn't mind it losing every seat in Congress. I will do everything I can to bring that about in November, even if it means holding my nose and voting for the opposition.
Here, I am being purely strategic, not reactive. Why do I say that? Well, there is a saying that nature herself abhors a vacuum. That is why if progressives really wanted to organize a third party for 2012 in the wake of a soul-destroying Democratic defeat in 2010, it could be **huge**.
We cannot organize a third party under the DNC banner, however.
Tactical Proposal:
I have written progressives ranging from Kucinich to McDermott/Grayson saying that the only way a politician will get my vote if s/he is currently Democratic is if s/he **publicly repudiates** the party and resigns from it.
If just seven progressive senators or congressmen did that--think Bernie Sanders, not Dennis Kucinich--it could start a landslide. That's a way forward and at this juncture, it may be the only way forward from a purely tactical point of view.
An strongly anti-corporatist/progressive third party probably wouldn't result in a marginal 5% number in November 2012. There is reason to hope it might result in a 30-35 percentile standing, which could be enough to take the presidency away from the likes of Sarah Palin who, in any event, is unlikely to capture much more of the vote than that.
Hitler won office with just a minority standing, however, so the stakes for all of us in 2012 could not be higher.
If Buzzflash readers like this idea, please give it legs and circulate it freely. Write to your elected officials and tell them that you're tired of playing the same old game. Enough is enough. Begin instead to talk out loud about mass resignations from the Democratic Party.
Mr. Crockett, your suggestion that Obama should "decide" is not a way forward. Nor is trying to get people to save the Democratic Party's soul. You may as well have exclaimed, "Goodness gracious me" and encouraged us all to join a knitting circle.
I, for one, am not ready to sign on to that approach.
Nice... personal attack on my motives
A very politically naive attack on me that starts by calling me either naive or a corporatist.
I am a very public figure and a very experienced real world activist. Google me.
You can apologize later.
Stephen Crockett
Host of Democratic Talk Radio & Editor of Mid-Atlantic Labor.com
Just for the record, . . .
. . . Hitler was APPOINTED Chancellor by Hindenburg. He never was elected to any position in the German government.
I agree (but not about Palin)
I'll be 60 in a couple of months. The first time I could vote I was 22 and I watched as the GOP petri dish that was the Nixon administration triumphed over McGovern carried into power by a whole shitload of people, many Democrats, who should have known better but hadn't learned their lesson in the '68 election.
I stayed a Democrat until after the 2004 election when Kerry betrayed the people who voted for him by walking away from challenging the Ohio vote count, the same way Gore allowed the criminal enterprise known as the Bush/Cheney administration, helped along by 5 Republican members of the Supreme Court who unconstitutionally meddled in the recount in Florida. To avoid a "constitutional crisis" Gore allowed that junta to take power and we watched as the constitution was referred to as "a piece of paper" and protections under it disappeared with the connivance of both parties in congress.
Everything Obama said and did on the campaign trail, the cadences reminiscent of Dr. King in his speeches, and the implied promises to bring back the rule of law, the whole schtick was performed to give people a sense of hope, that the criminals from the previous administration would be investigated at last.
Then he gets elected, brings in the Israeli soldier Emanuel as his chief of staff, lets Dawn Johnsen's nomination for Office of Legal Counsel dangle and swing in the wind until she finally walked away from that slap in the face, and appointed Salazer, a man who is dedicated to off-shore drilling, as the Energy Secretary. Notice there have been no substantive changes to Bush's energy policies.
Lastly, he appoints Eric Holder, the Deputy AG under Bubba who colluded with Scooter Libby to get Marc Rich a pardon outside the usual channels, as his own Attorney General and we're no better off than if Fredo was still in office. No investigations of war crimes committed in our name, in fact more war crimes were committed within two weeks of this bunch coming into power.
Obama was installed for one reason and one reason only: he will preside over the final destruction of the social safety net, the remnants of the New Deal such as Social Security and unemployment insurance, because a black Democrat is immune to criticism when it comes to doing that. Look at how easily Bubba did away with welfare as a prelude to the criminal restructuring of the bankruptcy code under the boy idiot.
I'm through voting but I am exploring leaving here. The foundations are all in place to institute a totalitarian regime. Obama hasn't rescinded executive orders issued by the Bush criminal administration giving the executive the power to declare martial law. Instead he's issued orders giving the executive the power to order the murder of American citizens.
Palin won't run. She's a cash whore who's only interested in cashing in and she's doing very well at that. She will be involved in stirring up the revitalized John Birch Society and the racists who want to hide behind some sort of legitimacy and, what the hell, tea party sounds good, no?
Fucking country is in the shitter and the interests who own, in every sense of the word and with all its connotations, the current president haven't got a thing to worry about. The rule of law will apply to their escape clauses in contracts with the government when it comes to walking away from their responsibilities for, say, polluting the entire Gulf of Mexico and contiguous wetlands. That's the only place the rule of law counts any more, for corporations or if somebody wants to foreclose on your house or try taking your car or decides to walk away from pension obligations for union workers.
Meanwhile they'll gin up hatred for hispanics, Muslims, blacks, and, of course, liberals. It isn't too hard to see where this whole scenario that's playing out across the country is leading. The Carpathian mountains are looking mighty attractive.
November 22, 1963
We're almost exactly the same age and view the current situation through the prism of our shared past experiences. When reflecting back on a lifetime of political disappointments, one must eventually come to the realization that the end of hope actually took place early in our formative years when powerful economic and political forces, in conjunction with elements of the unconstitutional security apparatus of this nation in cahoots with organized crime, conspired to assassinate and to cover up the murder of JFK. One might recall that he was the last president with the courage, or the recklessness, depending on one's perspective, to battle Big Steel, Big Oil, Big Finance, the Mafia, the Military Industrial Complex and the CIA. Unfortunately, he paid for it with his life.
Those responsible were never brought to justice and because they got away with the crime of the century, the survivors and their successors have only become more powerful, more ingrained, and more untouchable over the last nearly fifty years. I have personally come to the conclusion that the grand American experiment with democracy came to and end in that abominable city of Dallas, Texas on that long ago day in November when a coup d'etat took place in our own country. America has never been the same since, nor is it likely to ever be again.
One of those responsible
served as the 41st president of the US and his father was part of a plot to overthrow FDR back in the 30s in addition to aiding Hitler through Thyssen and UBS.
The whole cui bono line of reasoning always goes back to Texas, from LBJ and Brown and Root to the Hunts and Murchison. There was confluence of a lot of disparate elements that day and the national security state was a big part of what happened down there, especially people like David Attlee Phillips, David Morales, and Howard Hunt. The connections the govt had with the mob going back to Italy after WWII and the personal affronts, whether real or perceived, that Marcello and Trafficante had suffered all added up to that horrible event.
From the minute the Warren Commission Report came out, when I was a freshman in high school, I read it and just knew that something was wrong. I never got over that feeling, through being in Vietnam to experiencing the assault on organized labor when i came home and became a union activist. And all the while people I worked with were decrying the sellouts of the Democrats and almost all of them voted for Reagan.
As far as I'm concerned anyone who voted for Nixon, Ford, Bush (either one of them), Clinton, or Obama is complicit in what has happened to this country. I never voted for Clinton because he was part of the DLC; same thing for Gore. In this last debacle I would have voted for Cynthia McKinney but my 13 year old son wanted to cast my vote. He learned a valuable lesson in caveat emptor.
Postscript
Yes, the Bush Crime Family has wielded phenomenal power for three generations now but have been able to hide what some would label traitorous activities in plain sight. Poppy Bush may be the only public figure unable to recall his exact wherebouts on that fateful day. The names of the three ships involved in the Bay of Pigs massacre were the "Barbara" , the "Houston", and the "Zapata" (as in Zapata Oil). A perfect example of hiding one's nefarious activities in plain sight.
Clichy....you seem to have a handle on our country's true history. Are you familiar with a former associate of Meyer Lansky and contract CIA agent by the name of Chauncey Holt and his claim to be one of the "three tramps" and what he states he was doing in Dallas on that day?
After many years, the case seems to have been more or less resolved, Gerald Posner and Vincent Bugliosi be damned.
Changes we can believe in?
Like the continuation of the illegal, immoral, unwinable "wars" in Iraq and Afghanistan? (And now, the evil has spread to Pakistan.)
Like touting single-payer universal health care as a candidate, then shoving a drug and insurance racketeers' wet dream down our throats?
Like making noise about economic reform while kissing corporate ass?
Like soft pedalling BP's criminal behavior while one of our greatest national treasures is being ruined?
Like not prosecuting the bush crime family for multiple capital crimes while the evil bastards BRAG about them?
You mean THOSE changes?
American Corporate Party Has Two-Wings
For all Republicans & way too many Democrats, wealth does indeed trump all else. We already have an oligarchy that essentially controls "our" government. I was an Obama for Senate county co-ordinator in 2004 & voted for the first time for Ralph Nader in 2008. How could this happen? While still fighting Hillary in the primaries, Obama very strongly fought against an up-coming FISA Bill that would free the Bush Crime Family from their numerous Constitutional violations. Hillary concedes & Obama does a 180 to vote for the bill. I then removed the rose tinted glasses & allowed the progressive rhetoric to pass through my ears. Obama is a fake. The best that can be said for him is he isn't McCain. Come to think of it, no one is John McCain except John McCain. The MSM, owned by Corporate America, isn't going to allow any politician to be at the top of either wing of the American Corporate Party that isn't in the corporate pocket. Look no further than Obama's economic team to see which side he's on. As a progressive, I will not vote, nor support corporate owned politicians. Obama needs a (C) after his name & Sam Walton's business needs to change its name to China-Mart.
Dump Obama in 2012
The only way I could think of voting for a Democrat in 2012 is if there is a REAL Democrat as the candidate. We've had Republicans in the White House since 1980. I am sick and tired of the Democrats turning their backs on the poor and middle-class while shoveling billions of dollars to the wealthy via tax breaks and corporate welfare. The Democrats are just as guilty as the Republicans when it comes to accepting campaign contributions corporate bribes and they have to return the favor...only the favors come out of OUR pockets, not theirs.
IMHO our two party system is beyond repair. I'm voting Green for REAL change.
It was obvious from the beginning....
That Barack Obama was more republican than democrat, at least for anyone who cared to see. Being bamboozled by TV, and elite agenda politicians, has become the new normal for the american electorate. We are in a pathetic state that will only continue to spiral down the drain until something so insanely crazy happens it will get these pavlov dogs off the couch. Until then, the electorate will watch stupidly as they are robbed of everything needed to sustain life, and drool on cue from the TV box. Very sad indeed.
Two-Quotes From Two-Williams
Bill Moyers: "Money ruined Democracy."
Bill Maher: "You can"t govern Stupid."
[Bonus Quote]
Wild Bill Hickock: "Don't play poker with a corporate owned Democrat behind your back."
You cant...
get more to the point than that. Leave it to the 2 Bill M's. These 2 quotes sum up the state of american politics in 7 words.
"A Day Late and a Dollar Short"
When one reads a commentary such as this, one wonders if the commentator fell asleep on election night and has just awoken from a deep slumber. Apparently, Obama supporters find it difficult to accept the fact that one can't believe what their beloved leader says. Obama is no statesman and therefore, just like every other politician, it is neccesary to watch what he does, or does not do, as opposed to being beguiled by his rhetoric. There's no doubt that he can talk a good populist game, but when push comes to shove, it becomes apparent to the less smitten amongst us that Obama knows which side his bread is buttered on.
Any doubt about where Obama truly stands should have been long gone by now. One cannot mention "corporatist" without a consideration of this country's foreign adventurism, commonly referred to as "imperialism" during the Cold War. Any hope that Obama would be an agent for peace in the world was dashed by the escalation of the civil war in Afghanistan. Once more, as in Vietnam, this nation's military is involved in a conflict in support of an unpopular regime. While it is always couched in terms of a continuation of the "War on Terrorism", it has always been about the OIL and America's oil companies getting their grubby hands on more of the world's supply.
Perhaps the time has come for the voters to realize that the United States is no longer a democracy and that no matter who controls the White House, entrenched, powerful forces will unobstructedly pursue their own myopic agenda and short of tearing it all down and starting over, the decent people of this nation are now and forever will be SCREWED.
Best description
Best description of our situation ever written!
A Day Late and a Dollar Short
I'm totally agree with you Dr.Roberts. L’objectif, dans ce cas, d’un rachat de crédits est de diminuer immédiatement et de façon importante (de 30 à 60%) le montant global des remboursements mensuels de l’emprunteur. Le rachat de credit est une solution qui permet de repousser le risque de surendettement grâce à un abaissement significatif des mensualités.
Our Dilemma
The real dilemma is whether or not to vote and whom to vote for. Is it better to not vote and let a sleazy, corporationist Republican win, or vote for a sleazy, corporationist Democrat who at least throws a few crumbs the say of the working folk?
Unfortunately we are likely
Unfortunately we are likely beyond voting as a means to change.
Keep Voting For The Lesser of Two-Evils
You will always get some form of the "Evil". Vote your conscious. It can be Republican/Democrat, different party, write-in or left blank. Keep voting...Keep fighting...Never give-up!
Other Options
There are two basic choices we can make toward voting decisions. The first is to locate a candidate from any of the other parties that you can stand to vote for. Your choice may not win, but if enough people vote similarly, another party just might begin to qualify for matching funds and become viable.
The other choice is to write-in vote for "None of the Above". If a plurality of such votes happen, both parties are put on notice that we are quite upset with them. In some states, this would require a new election (see: South Carolina)
I don't know how successful such a plan can be, but we are already screwed whichever way we go with the major parties. What have we got to lose but the pending loss of our democratic republic to the corporatocracy? We will offer up the Last Great Gesture of Defiance as we go!