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The Tea Party as third party, deliciously doomed

THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

There's an enchanting, internal contradiction developing on the right -- actually, an exacerbation of decades-long contradictions -- and the left is doing little to exploit it, even though it could drive one of those famous Rovian wedges straight into the heart of the latest manifestation of "movement" conservatism.

To wit ...

Item One: Tea Partyers and their leadership.

As the NY Times has reported, recent polling reveals that "a hypothetical Tea Party wins more support than Democrats or Republicans," even while the real fundamentalists in the Tea Partying ranks are arguing that their movement so properly disdains the Washington Establishment they should run as a third party.

I wish those fundamentalists all the best in their inside maneuvering, since, for nearly two centuries now, third party movements in United States politics have been magnificent flops.

Unfortunately, it appears that at least a handful of Tea Partying agitators have read at least one history book; thus, continues the Times, "as the movement looks toward the midterm elections in November," more and more are "argu[ing] that the best way to translate anger into influence is to infiltrate the Republican establishment."

This goal is scarcely insurmountable, since the party's chairman, Michael Steele, declared himself in a recent interview "a Tea Partyer, a town-haller, a grass-rooter," while erstwhile Republican and current Tea Partyer and corporate FreedomWorks shill Dick Armey is reportedly making conference calls to Steele to chat about how they can work together.

The leading "demands of the Tea Party groups"? They're old conservative songs: "less government intrusion" and "protecting states’ rights under the 10th amendment."

Item Two: The Republican Supreme Court's recent decision in Citizen United v. Federal Election Commission.

Again I quote from a Times piece, "24 States' Laws Open to Attack After Campaign Finance Ruling," which just happened to run on the same day as its aforementioned Tea Party piece: "A day after the United States Supreme Court ruled that the federal government may not ban political spending by corporations or unions in candidate elections, officials across the country were rushing to cope with the fallout, as laws in 24 states" -- including rugged-individualist Montana's, which are nearly a century old, from the Progressive Era -- "were directly or indirectly called into question by the ruling."

As a Rutgers University law professor put it, rather disgustedly, "One day the Constitution of [insert state here] is the highest law of the state. The next day it’s wastepaper."

Iowa's Senate majority leader was even more blunt, even more disgusted, since he and his fellow state-lawmakers must now find a way -- even though every which way is likely doomed -- to overcome what this Republican Supreme Court hath wrought: "It’s absolutely outrageous," he said of the decision.

There you have it -- not merely one contradiction within movement conservatism, but two. And I'd wager that very few within that movement have paused long enough to even acknowledge the contradictions, let alone admit there's no logical way out.

The contradictions above are so immensely conspicuous they hardly need repetition, but I'll touch on them anyway.

Under the guiding hand of crypto-corporate propagandists like Dick Armey, Tea Partyers are struggling their way into the Republican Establishment -- already effectively co-ruled by Armey & Co. Yet once there they'd find that the entrenched Establishment itself -- as expressed through the one branch of government it controls: the judiciary -- is profoundly anti-states' rights when convenient, as profoundly expressed in the Republican Supreme Court's anti-state ruling in Citizens United.

So much for Tea Partyers cooperating with what they believe could be a revolutionary GOP on one of their leading demands: "protecting states’ rights under the 10th amendment."

What's more, many within the Tea Party movement are authentic paleoconservatives of the Pat Buchanan species; those who resent corporate control of America as much as big-government intrusion. Yet from whence comes their leadership's cash? and what are the leadership's little-noticed goals? Questions asked, and answered.

As the Progressive Republican Theodore Roosevelt understood, every time conservatives demand less government intrusion, they're also inviting more corporate hegemony -- which is, as noted, as distasteful to many rank-and-file Tea Partyers as that more conventional Big Brother.

These internal contradictions are stubbornly irreconcilable, yet, again, I'd wager that they've never occurred to vast portions of casual Tea Partyers. Liberals would be well advised to stop talking to themselves for a while and attend a few Tea Party rallies instead -- and educate, educate, educate. The movement's soft supporters might in time peel away, leaving the hardcore-fundamentalist types with nothing but the reliably doomed third-party option.

 

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THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter




A perfect storm for the Corporatist Cabal..

....may just be brewing -- especially if the timeline of present SCOTUS coups is stretched back to the beginning of the millennium. The Bush vs Gore decision also trampled on state's rights -- Florida's. And Scalia declared that the people did not have a constitutional right to vote for a president. The Right took little notice because the actions apparently favored their side. Mid-decade, this court cabal made sure that guns would be plentiful with another off-the-wall Second Amendment decision. Then in 2009 we see the precursors of the Teabaggers showing up at political rallies with those guns, ready to use them if the revolution was immanent. Now, the Fascist Five has shown that they are political animals who are a branch, a part of big government, ruling counter to state's rights  and in opposition to one, perhaps both of the Teapartyer principles. These folks have very short fuses. One of the crazier Tea baggers might just want to do some justice bagging and make the Pelican Brief move, for real. Those Five "justices" better get extra security...

Third parties are screwed

Under the current US electoral system, third parties are screwed.  Worse, they can have a Nader effect and lead to a split vote giving the shitheads power.

The only way the US (or any other country) could give third parties a fair chance is to adopt a voting method compatible with the Condorcet criterion (such as pairwise comparison).  It's not perfect, as Arrow's paradox shows, but it's about the best we can do (in principle) as a voting system.  Sadly, however, it relies upon computers and we know they're damned untrustworthy.  In principle we could implement computerized voting soundly, but we don't.

The only thing worse than a third-party candidate is a voting system that allows write-in candidates.  In almost all circumstances this equates to "please discard my vote."

 

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Tea partiers

 They are the blind being led and raising their voices to shout

out their detractors.

Hmm. How come there isn’t

Hmm. How come there isn’t a string of whines from left-wing third partyists, about how so a third party can succeed? Though I do see that Ugg posted something. Didn’t he used to be a Parallel Republican?

Back to the topic: forming a third party is like going around a traffic jam by using the oncoming lane.

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So true

The real Democrats just need to take back the party from the "Dems-for-a-day", naive college students and

'true progressive" dupes who sold us Obama in the last election.  The good news is, after three more years of this, ...

 

.... it should be easy.

Education

We have been educating for over a hundred years, and what do we have to show for it?  A population that doesn't know the difference between fascism and fascia, and probably doesn't know what either one means.  Obama has admitted to making the most naive mistake in thinking that he could "educate" the opposition.  Try educating Turtleface, Bronzeboy, Creamdemint, and RonaldreaganII.  The opposition is the enemy, you have to defeat them, not educate them!  Obama now says he's going to fight, but it's too little, too late.  It's up to us little people to get organized and defend our right to the truth, to dignity, and to have our miniscule vote counted, protected, and honored.  Democracy is fragile, nurtured and kept barely alive for decades and even centuries by people who gave their lives for it, and I don't mean in Iraq.  I mean in the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, WWII, and Selma, Alabama.  We need a Washington, a Lincoln, an FDR, or an MLK.  Go to SaveDemocracy.net.

Teapartyers

Of course they don't "get it." These folk are largely ignorant, and that's why they, for one thing, say they don't want the government taking over Medicare.

Where is the rage?

The silence of the Teabaggers on the Supreme Court decision is deafening. Where is the rage? Or don't they get it?

 

They are teabaggers, not

They are teabaggers, not reverse-teabaggers.

An observation: It’s going to cost more and more to fool the American people, given the evidence that they grow less and less foolable. With the exception of the MSM, of course; those people are dupes.

Thom Hartmann has been promoting much the same

The rage of the Teabaggers is justified.  They just see through a glass darkly (to pull up a biblical reference).  Instead of mocking them, see if they can be educated.  Citizens United should be a good way to start a conversation.

 

 

Look for their Judas Goats

I have found that if you walk up to one of these small, "spontaneous" tea-bag demonstrations (around here they sometimes spend a weekend day at a particular highway exit waving signs at motorists) and engage them with real questions and information, that one of their number pops up and endeavors to shut you down with sound bites.  These guys all seem to be similar: carefully scruffy, and with a slightly disturbing energy evokative of professional inpsirational speakers.  The others invariably defer to this character, and gaze at him gratefully as he drowns out the pain behind their eyes.

It is useful to focus on these guys, because they are the champions of their flocks, and the whole batch of them will watch when he is challenged.  If you have your own argument well-prepared and maintain a calm, friendly demeanor you can successfully bring a little enlightenment to the whole group.

   

it takes intelligence

I never quit being amazed at people who say if you have an intelligent conversation you can plant the seeds of doubt in teabaggers.These are the stupidist ,most uneducated members of society.They have what little brains they have already brainwashed by their ministers and the corporate news media.Hitler and Goebels proved the point,if you tell a big lie long enough people will begin to believe it and accept it as the truth.To them anyone who doesn't believe exactly as they have been told what to believe is a liberal and destructive to the country.These people are the new nazi party and they are going to get dangerous if you don't become a sheep like them

nazi?

And never forget that what

And never forget that what they reject consciously nevertheless may be planted unconsciously, and have an effect unawares. Perhaps the biggest mistake made before the 19th century was to confuse a tiny monitoring and oversight function of the brain with the whole shebang.