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Will it be a Democratic civil war?

THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

"If there's a way, we'll find it!" is the audio logo of one of those Medicare-financed electric scooter companies which advertises relentlessly on cable news to the infirm elderly. Yet every time I hear it, I think not of nifty little motorized wheelchairs but of the Democratic Party and its working logo, If there's a way to screw it up, we'll find it!

After roughly 100 years of debate and our lagging behind every other industrialized country, it was such a simple, straightforward objective: affordable health care for all. For sure, proposed funding mechanisms wouldn't be simple, nor would the public-private bureaucratic transition to universality, but the objective itself couldn't be less debatable. Right?

Wrong. The voices of the broken yet immensely expensive status quo have managed in their propagandistic genius to portray even moderate health-care reform as a thoughtless rush to unnecessary social upheaval, thereby resettling national opinion along the old left-right lines of polarization which, at least on the matter of health-care reform, had recently, virtually disappeared.

Still, the Democratic Party was ill content to leave it at that.

True, the party began as the 800-pound politico in this contest -- possessing the White House, controlling both houses of Congress, towering over the scattered remnants of the dyspeptically stunned GOP, and starting with a tremendous advantage in pro-reform public opinion.

But merely losing control of the debate and sliding back into Bush-era polarization wasn't SNAFU-satisfactory enough for the briefly -- very briefly -- mighty party of change. No, it decided, like the atomized clusterfucking organization it is, to subdivide the national brawl: to pit, that is, Democrat against Democrat, party centrist against party liberal, even the left against the left.

All, merely, over the moderate reform of a public option. Reported the Politico Saturday, in a striking non-newsy way: "[L]eading Democrats are warning that the party likely will have to accept major compromises to get a bill passed this year -- perhaps even dropping a proposal to create a government-run plan." Well, there's a shock; I think the publication meant to report that leading Democrats are increasingly warning of major compromises, since we've all been smelling the matutinal napalm of political cowardice for, what is it now ... months?

I hasten to qualify, as did the Politico, tepidly, that the white flag has yet to be hoisted: "There is no guarantee ... that progressive House and Senate members [won't] make good on their promise to oppose a bill without a public insurance plan" -- this rowdy, schoolyard recess of August will indeed come to a merciful end, and thereupon lawmakers will return to the real work of fashioning coalitions and a final bill.

On numerous occasions I have heard former party chairman Howard Dean predict, with a casual dismissiveness, that a public option will remain intact, no question about it. His stiff-upper-lip confidence is admirable, if not a trifle studied; his assurances, however, are being muffled by those metronomic "rumblings of what could devolve into a Democratic civil war."

To some extent, Democrats are already there: Somewhat secessionist, 1861-like conventions are being held, such as last week's Netroots Nation gathering, at which former President Bill Clinton literally "pleaded" with attendees to "try to keep this thing in the lane of getting something done. We need to pass a bill and move this thing forward ... [and] be mindful we may need to take less than a full loaf," meaning, of course, the slicing off of a public option.

The odds that the former president's comments went unvetted by the White House and "leading Democrats" are somewhere below non-existent, indicating that Democratic-caucus headcounts in the pro-public option column are faring poorly. But how did attending progressives greet Clinton's cautionary tale? A straw poll was fascinating: only "53 percent ... said they cannot support a health care reform bill that does not include a public option."

A plurality indeed, but by the near-slimmest of margins. I would have predicted a lopsided, non-compromising outcome from this resolutely progressive group, certainly not a virtual 50-50 division in opinion. And there you have it; the potential for a skirmishing civil war within the broader civil war: progressives against progressives as a side action among rank-and-file Democrats fighting rank-and-file Democrats -- all of whose party "leaders" have found a way to screw this thing up.

From a clean, sociopolitically pragmatic point of view, I find myself uncomfortably siding with Bill Clinton and the 47 percent, since it's impossible not to sympathize with the frustration and even intransigence of the slim majority. Yet progress is always incremental (someday, we will get to single-payer) and to deny the already insured the statutory protection of, say, guaranteed policy renewal or no gender discrimination or fully covered preventive care seems, so to speak, nationally masochistic, or schoolmarmishly cruel.

And that's only half the political pragmatism. The other half is the warding off of a complete right-wing victory in its total war against any measures of sensible, primordial health-care reform.

But, happily, Democrats have a long way to go -- probably October -- before the rumblings of civil war ignite, perhaps, into an internal Armageddon.

 

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THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter


hey S.L.

Lord of the rings analogies? Really? Your opinion is a distinct and shrinking minority. A lot of us here have done plenty, probably more than you. So why dont you pack your denial up in a overnight bag and go troll somewhere else. Its getting tiresome being scolded by a robot.

P.M. Carpenter's Column, "Will it be a Democratic civil war?"

With the name of your column being "The Fifth Columnist," it is surprising you do not directly mention one obvious possible explanation as to why certain members of the Democratic Party may be "screwing up" chances to obtain meaningful health care reform including universal coverage and consideration of offering a single payor insurance option. It may not be just mere incompetence but actually disingenuousness. Many nominal, so-called Democratic members of Congress appear to have been hand-picked, compromised, or co-opted by the same moneyed power brokers who are paying for both them and their Republican counterparts. It does not take a huge leap of imagination to guess their real purpose may be to pose as Democrats while actually serving as a "Fifth Column" of quislings intent on sabotaging any real chance of success. Don Farkas, Los Angeles

Too D*mn Many Quitters!

I may just be a fool? But I'll back Obama untill I see that he is giving up on a "public option"! A public option that is affordable/accessible to all U.S. "citizens"! And if he sell's it off by COMPROMISING, as he is politically prone to do, I'll STOP and so wll many of his other "supporters"!

That's right! Punish the Dutch Boy (working to save the town...

... at the dike!) Punish him!!! Blame him!!! Abandon him if he can't save the town, as we sit, and watch, and criticize, and advise... and do NOTHING!

Bottom line - Insurance Companies won't let it go that easily

Americans are mostly ignorant about health insurance. They don't understand that this is an OPTION!!! Our health insurance is expensive today. My husband pays over $600 a month while his employer pays about $800, and still he had to wait for the insurance to ok a cataract operation. They only allowed ONE eye to be done. He had to wait on the other eye. IMAGINE his frustration, having a perfectly 100 vision in one eye while the other was 20-400 - he can't see w/o heavy glasses. So he had to wear a plain glass in the good eye and have a prescription for his bad eye in order to function. WHen it came to reading, he had to put a patch over one eye to read. INSURANCE COMPANIES already limit what your doctor can do, so don't give the excuse that with an OPTIONAL insurance you won't get the care. THE BOTTOM LINE IS CORPORATE PROFITS!!!!!! anyone can see that! They don't care if people don't have ANY health insurance. Those that can't afford it don't get care, or if they are in such pain, they go to emergency rooms where the hospitals CAN NOT by law, turn people away for lack of insurance and/or money to pay for it. We are already paying for these kinds of "non emergencies" at hospital emergency rooms. A healthy person is a person who can work, an unhealthy person will be on welfare... that costs money too! If the rich CEO's in this country can give themselves bonus checks while their employees toil away or even worse, they lay off workers so that they save money for their bonuses, is that a good thing? It has always been those that work the hardest, get paid the least. It never changes.

Bottom Line - WE THE SHEEPLE WILL! ("let go that easily")

Although, it is not too late for us to get off of our butts and FIGHT! Yet. We did a year ago.

Plurality?

The last I knew 53% was a majority not a plurality. Is Carpenter that far in the bag for Obama that he'd try to pull off something so obvious. In all likelihood a good share of the bloggers at that conference were Obamaphiles during the primaries and are still likely Obamaphiles willing to accept any rationale for supporting their candidate, even to the extent of abandoning their own values so I'm not surprised that 47% supported the surrender. Though it may be considered bad form among some people (usually those who screwed up) to say I told you so. But bad form or no I'm enraged enough at his stupid supporters to say out loud. I (WE) TOLD YOU SO. It was all there to see before and during the primaries in his "book" his prior record in the US and Illinois Senate. In the story of the Roberts nomination, in his primary campaign behavior, the way he "handled" questions about policy, etc., etc. He never even bothered to submit a bill. On an important matter like health care reform he didn't bother to submit a bill. He wasn't even remotely interested in any real reform. He has NO convictions, not in the past, not in the present and not in the future unless we can consider fighting to maintain the status quo a conviction. He appointed Tim Geitner for criss sakes. No one should be even remotely surprised at what's happening. He's a neo-liberal, very sympathetic to conservative "ideas." His White House staff is teeming with neo-liberals and others need not apply. You called us "low information voters, bubbas, intellectually incapable of understanding Obama's "sophisticated" ideas, didn't understand post-partisanism and that oldie but goodie - racists. Thanks loads for sticking us with someone who will go down as the worst Democratic President since the 19th century.

Obama "surrendered?"

No. His army went home to whine and blog.

The Die is Cast--the Fix is in

What I discovered this weekend should have been obvious to me two months ago--when Obama cut a deal with Big Pharma and Big Hospital the public option was effectively dead. The deal made was for these entities to hand the money over to Obama and not campaign against Health reform only if there was no public option tied to Medicare rates. In other words, no public option. This, you may note, is exactly why Mike Ross and the Bluedogs were holding up the bill in Waxman's committee--to prevent a public option tied to Medicare rates. What a coincidence. And this is the deal (with co-ops) that will eventually come out of the Senate and ultimately the deal that will be voted on. Obama knows this, and has known it for months. He is now out there playing good/cop bad cop and hoping Baucas will take the fall with the Left for a deal he negotiated months ago. He is playing liberals for complete fools in these town halls--saying he's for a public option when he has already effectively negotiated it away--and that's where the civil war comes in. Millions of idealistic liberals have not yet worked thru this and are unprepared for the shock that is about to hit them. They will not accept what has happened and will hate other liberals trying to tell them (I saw it on DailyKos yesterday) Because of Obama's actions I am disillusioned--again--but the people I truly feel for is the generation of young democratic voters who are about to have their idealism shattered for the 1st time. P.M is right--corporations run this country, and there's not a damn thing the politicians can do about it. Either Obama found this out before he entered the White House or found out after, but he knows it now. Soon we will all know it, including those young Obama volunteeers (and unfortunately me) who thought he could change the world.

Crucify him!

Down deep, that's what Progressives are good a yelling. Saves them from looking in the mirror and seeing what cowards they are. (Maybe in is not down all that deep.)

I feel your pain, PG.

I would love to take the opportunity to say, "I told you so!", but I just can't. Watching a grown man being forced to acknowledge being duped yet again is just too painful to watch.

Actually, ....... now that I think about it, .....

that pain might just be a result of the fact that I can't stop laughing.

Cold Porridge

Non"-profit cooperatives are a sham, you know it and so do we - which is why $3 billion is all that's necessary to fund them.

Here's the deal - the Public Health Care Option is my Rubicon. I contributed about $1000 to Obama last year, became a Democratic Party PCO, and took valuable vacation time off to support Obama on election day. For the Democrats to give up on a viable Public Option in mid-August is an embarrassment and disappointment beyond words. I've held out for the Dems with other Progressives on several issues this past year, and defended the 'off the table' leadership of Congressional Democrats for nearly 3 years now. I've held their ground. But with today's news I'm concerned that Gore Vidal may have been right when he said that "There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party...and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat." Say it ain't so Joe.

By following Mr. Conrad's sorry advice, Barack will have the singular distinction of giving up the high ground his core supporters fought hard to give him in November to a small band of aging political insurgents, when he had an army of support from the future's demographic interested in real reform.

If today's headlines are true, that Sibelius et al. are signaling the end of the "public option"; then Obama is simply trying to cover his promises to America in the sand, as it were. If so, then I am out. I don't care about the arguments that if we disgruntled Progressives don't vote in the future or only vote for Nader or a similar progressive, then the crazy GOP will take over. I Don't Care, at least they are honest about their villainy. If this is so, it means the Democratic Party, which your man leads, is below respect. The GOP is below contempt, but at least they can be respected for their honesty about it and their resolve. I'll return to the cold porridge of cynicism of the Bush years, it 's better than the nausea resulting from your sugar-coated, empty calories of optimism.

If Barack carries the water for real CHANGE, as promised, then he'll do whatever is necessary to win on this issue - including reading those spineless Democrats the Riot Act. If so, he will have maintained my high regard and I’ll continue as trusty foot soldier for this party.

I'm watching and my stomach is aching.

Sincerely,

Nauseated

Will B - "you know it is a sham...? Not.

If you know, and you do not do, you do not know. I don't suspect you were out at the Town Halls fighting for what's right. Certainly the Progressive "army" was NOT. You, and we DO NOT KNOW. But hey, that's great! Gives us license to just sit back comfortably and criticize! Fun, huh? "...while Rome burned."

Six months, Will B?

You spent the better part of last year trashing Clinton and selling Obama as the truly progressive candidate, and it only took you six months to realize you were duped?

Wow.

I would've thought at least a year.

Hot Stew..

Yman - I would have thought we had more time too, a year would have been nice. The jury is out, we'll see. A pity really, the kids will pay the biggest price, won't they? Now if I remember, you were one of those rabid Hillary fans, who apparently never calmed down. But if so, then I must tell you that your candidate, had she been able to beat McCain, would have the same Congress and the same opposition to deal with as my man Obama - and she failed miserably at reform in 1994, and, of course, she is every bit as centrist as Obama is proving. So it's one of those positions that we can never know the answer to, will we Yman? But that's the same shadow boxing game the opposition plays; can't prove anything, so insinuate away. I have to tell you that your calumny is exposed by the same disregard for proof as the wingnuts on the right, with whom you are as dilitant as in distraction. Of course none of this matters at all, except to self justify your wasted year of stewing... move over, I'm in line for cold porridge, but I'll take that over your hot stew any day. At least I don't need Prilosec to counteract my political self imposed pain, just TUMS.... But I do appreciate Hillary at State, she's doing a fine job thus far.

Happy to serve it up

The jury is still out? On what planet, Will B? It's nice to be "HOPE"ful, but at some point it begins to look foolish ......... and we've already reached that point.

"The kids will pay the biggest price"? Awwwwwww, ...... isn't that cute? The ultimate expression of "concern" ... dragging the proverbial children into it. Throw in a couple of puppies and an American flag, and it'll be just like listening to Rush or Hannity.

Yes, Clinton's doing a good job at State ... what's your point? Trying to appear reasonable, as though you're not one of the Clinton-hating, true progs? LOLOL .... You're fine with her there, as long as she's not in the Whitehouse.

wow

BTW - I'm not a rabid Hillary fan, Will B ...... my candidate was Edwards. I did, however, defend both Clintons from the ridiculous attacks by the Clinton-haters and the true progs. The same true progs, like yourself, who engaged in the most preposterous name-calling and vicious accusations that they normally reserve for conservatives, but who attacked the Clintons because they dared to challenge their candidate - "The One", true progressive. They sold him as the only candidate with the character, judgment and vision to bring about real "Change", not like the "evil, centrist, DLC-loving, Republican-lite, "Billary"" who was just trying to get votes. He would be true to the progressive agenda and wouldn't lie to us like that "narcissistic, ego-centric, racist, lying blah-blah-blah ......"

Would Hillary have been more progressive than Obama? I don't know, and I didn't claim to know. That being said, she was never sold as a true progressive .... that was Obama, and he was sold by supporters like you. Yes, she failed with health care reform in 1994, but she also didn't have the advantages that Obama has now ... or, at least, had: bigger numbers in Congress, a public clamoring for "Change" after 8 years of a disastrous GWB, and a public demand/support for health insurance reform that's higher than ever. More importantly, she took the fight on directly, rather than trying to pass the responsibility (and subsequent blame) to Congress. She (and the Clinton administration) didn't tell Congress to put something together for her signature, they went out and fought for it. They paid a heavy price in doing so, but at least they weren't afraid to take the fight to the hugely powerful health insurance lobby and big pharma. Moreover, they sure as hell didn't cut backroom deals with the pharmaceutical companies after promising to be the most transparent administration in history.

BTW - Not sure who you think needs Prilosec, but it's not me. Hell, ....... nothing could be more fun than rubbing the collective nose of the true progs in their own dupidity. Which reminds me, if those "children" ever ask you who's responsible for the election of a candidate who's caved on virtually every issue and promise of any significance, and why they have to "pay the price", give them the honest answer: It was you and the other true progs who bought the Hopey/Changey spiel and vilified anyone who dared challenge it.

Yman

I'm with you. After putting up with the followers of the "precious" I now find great delight in rubbing their noses in it.

I feel a little guilty, ...

... but it is a lot of fun, ....... isn't it?

Okay, okay ........

I made the "guilty" part up. :)

As Usual, Carpenter is Wrong, Again

Of course, the REAL cause is the upper 1% plutocracy and their multinational corporations who pay K Street lobbyist Johns to bribe just enough Democratic whores to vote with the Republican whores.

The solution is to ban all lobbyists from meeting with members of Congress, and allow only public campaign financing.

Ideally, we need a Constitutional Amendment that relegates all non human entities to second class status. They should not be allowed to have the same (actually greater) constitutional rights as U.S. citizens.

Until then, we will continue to live under the illusion of the two party system, propagated by talking head suckers like Carpenter.

Buzzflash, when will you fire this assclown?

Kevin - The "real cause..."

... is we-the-SHEEPLE bleating and grazing while the wolves devour our children.

The difference between the Democratic Party and GOP

Here's an overly simplified, overly generalized explanation of the differences between today's Democratic Party and the Republican Party: The Democratic Party leadership is primarily make up of lawyers, the Republicans are insurance salesmen.

I'm not saying that Republicans are insurance salesmen just because their formula for health care insurance reform is, "Gee, we tried nothing and it doesn't work!" I saying this because just a cursory examination of the top Republican leadership, both in Congress and out, both alive and dead, shows a dearth of legal training or expertise before they went into politics:

  • Dick Armey, "free market" economics professor at a socialist-funded state university
  • Newt Gingrich, revisionist history professor at a socialist-funded state university
  • Dick Cheney, poli-sci major and sycophant
  • Ronald Reagan, radio sports announcer, B-movie actor, television actor, huckster
  • George H.W. Bush, trust fund-baby, oil company executive, rumored CIA operative
  • George W. Bush, trust fund-baby, failed oil company executive, MLB team owner
  • John Boehner, salesman
  • Tom DeLay, roach exterminator
  • Mike Huckabee, fundamentalist preacher
  • Rush Limbaugh, college drop-out, disc jockey
  • Glenn Beck, disc jockey
  • Sarah Palin, beauty pageant contestant, TV sports announcer
  • In the whole sorry list of Republican leadership only Mitt Romney possesses a law degree, which he has never utilized going right from Harvard law and business into an executive position in a "management consulting" company.

    The last great Republican lawyer/politician was Richard Nixon!

    The Democrats primarily being a party of lawyers except arguing, bargaining and compromise as part and parcel of the political process. It's second nature to most Democratic politicians.

    For insurance salesman Republicans the only thing they want is for the customer, the mark, the sucker to sign on the dotted line and hand over the check.

    ET Spoon

    Health Care Reform presentation

    How do you get someone to buy health care insurance? You show them the policy. You put YOUR policy side by side with THEIR policy and point out the FACTS, the NUMBERS, the COVERAGE! Why don't the Democrats do this? Here is how much you pay today for (this amount) of coverage. Here is how much you would pay under a Public Option for the same amount of coverage. Here is the % of people who get denied coverage under standard insurance. Here is the % (0) who are denied coverage under a Public Option. Here is the % of claims that standard insurance denies due to a pre-existing condition, a condition that wasn't a problem for all the years you paid for your insurance, only becoming a problem when you made a claim. Here is the % of claims under the Public Option that would be denied due to pre-existing conditions (0). Use a generic Health Insurance Policy and an approximation of the proposed Public Option.

    Was Aragorn the Only One in Battle? Had he been - whose fault?

    THE COURAGE & UNITY OF THE ELVES, DWARFS, ETC. WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT ELEMENT TO VICTORY!!! [Hey, if Dr. Paul Farmer can find Lord of the Rings his base of morality...] Aragorn was a brilliant leader - the greatest there has ever been. What if he had failed to unite the Dwarfs, Elves, Hobbits and Humans? Who would have been to blame? Maybe not Aragorn at all. In a different version of the story Aragorn could have been "written" as every bit the brilliant leader but the Dwarfs, Elves, Hobbits and Humans could have been "written" LESS courageous than how Tolkien wrote the story. THEY would have been, AND WE THE SHEEPLE ARE - TO BLAME. NOT OBAMA.