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Pounding away at the wrong target in the wrong way: The progressive way

THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

In this equivocating age of postmodern relativity, President Obama's observation yesterday that "TV loves a ruckus" is among the last absolute truths left on Earth.

Yet, as Congressional lawmakers dodge folding chairs back in their home districts -- live and in color and looped for 48 dramatic hours thereafter -- the president, even in the rootin-tootin' Old West, can't seem to scare up even a minor brawl or maybe a footwear-hurling critic when he needs one.

Obama could use the public sympathy -- something, anything to greater motivate the human forces of health-care reform. While the opposition is pumped, progressives are deflated.

As the NY Times' Jeff Zeleny reports this morning from ground zero of Obama's national launch: "More than a dozen campaign volunteers, precinct captains and team leaders from all corners of Iowa, who dedicated a large share of their time in 2007 and 2008 to Mr. Obama, said in interviews this week that they supported the president completely but were taking a break from politics."

Lynda Smith, a Wal-Mart greeter and former Obama volunteer, lamented to Zeleny the Carteresque malaise: "People came out of the woodwork for Obama during the campaign, but now they are hibernating. Now it is hard to find enough volunteers to fight the Republicans' fire with more fire."

Bill Clinton's testy encounter with a Netroots Nation audience member this week was more than politically reminiscent; it was profoundly relevant to today. As the former president spoke about the need for an "honest, principled debate" in this presumably new progressive era, a young man leapt to his feet and hollered: "Mr. President, will you call for a repeal of ... Don't Ask Don't Tell right now?"

To which Clinton delivered a short lesson in Bubba politics: "You want to talk about Don't Ask Don't Tell, I'll tell you exactly what happened. You couldn't deliver me any support in the Congress ... and the media supported them. They raised all kinds of devilment. And all most of you did was to attack me instead of getting me some support in the Congress."

And so it goes. Right-wing presidents inherit whole armies of blitzkriegers, those willing to organize and fight unquestioningly for the reactionary cause with indefatigable enthusiasm. Progressive presidents inherit quitters and critics: progressive critics, for whom stubborn political realities are but an inconvenient bummer to be decried.

It's far easier and more intellectually satisfying for these political sprinters -- those, that is, outside of supportive "hibernation," which is nearly as progressivism-arresting -- to promptly huddle on the sidelines and throw rocks and declare: See? See? I told you this guy would sell out.

And yesterday, the most ominous of Obama's political realities sat on the Belgrade, Montana stage, right behind the president, as the latter tried his damnedest to salvage reform.

There sat Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus, flinching and blinking at Obama's occasional references to the practical wisdom of a public option, a mere one day after the second-most ominous political reality, Finance Committee member Kent Conrad, promised his homefolks that he would vote against a government-run program.

There you go, a probable strike two, from the one Congressional committee Obama needs most: the one with the money. And these are his ... uh ... friends.

What can one man do as pushback? -- that one man being Mr. Obama? Not a hell of a lot, or at least far less than many think. While more than a few incoming presidents have discovered the advertised power of the presidency to have been somewhat overstated, Congressional committee bulls remain among the most authentically powerful animals on Earth. Again, even in this postmodern age, that's an unshakable truth.

So, when not weakening Obama's spiritual base by blistering him at every opportunity for -- what -- failing overnight to remake structural politics in their idealistic image, progressives who have indeed remained passably organized have further assaulted, through costly television campaigns, Obama's desperately needed, would-be allies in Congress -- thereby deepening the party's wounds and publicly increasing the tension.

They should have saved their money -- on running those television ads, but not on television production. What they should have done is organize for conservative Democrats a brief, private screening of ads to be run on the eves of their assumed reelection: ads pointing out that real reform failed, and thus we're still stuck with outrageously expensive insurance premiums and the loss of timely coverage and the like, because of that member's anti-reform, anti-Obama vote.

Yep, they should have said, On the airwaves we'll keep our powder dry for now, we won't attack and divide publicly. But go ahead; you just go ahead and vote against real reform; and after spending the next year amassing an eye-popping war chest, we'll run this bloody thing every hour, three times an hour, for unremitting weeks on every available channel in your media market. Thank you, and have a nice day.

That would have gone a long way in correcting Bill Clinton's situational complaint from his first term: "All most of you did was to attack me instead of getting me some support in the Congress."

 

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THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter




Judging from the comments below, you've got your work cut out...

These same narcissistic out-of touch- purer than thou trust-afarian lefties are not in any mood to listen to truth and reason...They'd much rather be the first kid on their block to turn on their own. Go back and read the article again, kids. Obama cannot do much if his own party stabs him in the back.

Saying it Out Loud

Believe me, progressives aren’t in a state of malaise. We’re not on vacation. In having given trillions of dollars to Wall Street, Obama gave the Blue Dogs and the Republicans most of their current talking points. If the public option goes down in flames, we progressives know full-well that it will because of Obama, not because of someone else. Many of us realize that made a really, really big mistake in ever supporting Obama. Note that I voted Dem in 2000, 2004 and 2008. Never again.

Because of Obama? Really?

Not the spineless Dems in Congress who refuse to back a public option? Not high holy asses like you who'd rather criticize Obama than fight these trolls at town hall meetings? Not because the sheeple are so easily lead by fear? Go ahead and make sure that we get Palin or Romney next time...Will that make you happy, you idiot?

All I know is...

The dems have the white house and majorities in both houses of congress. Obama and the dems KNOW they have our support. All they have to do is follow through. As for Hillary, well... IMNSHO she would be just as bad or worse than BHO. The dems have the power. They are either bought and paid for, or too weak/scared to use it. (Note: Obama is doing EXACTLY what he said he'd do in the ME. Unfortunate, but true.) I think next election cycle I'm going GREEN. (I would love to see a Kucinich/Dean Green ticket in 2012. Alas, I'm afraid that isn't to be.) The Dems finally have their chance and are totally blowing it. I'm done with the lot of them.

All You Needed To Say...

...was the Dems have the power. But it must be too heavy for the poor, dear Mommy party, so they let the self-proclaimed Daddy party do the heavy lifting since it's a woman's place to be at the heel - er, side of her man party!

SOT, but I was reading about the Battle of Salamis recently. The Persian king, Herodotus, watched Artemisia, the queen of Halicarnassus, actively take up the battle (which he was losing due to the trepidation of his generals and proper advance planning by the Athenians and their allies) and remarked, "My men have become women, and my women men." So it appears with the Democratic Party, especially now that Obama has thrown in the towel on any public option.

NO LEADERSHIP!!! - OBAMA IS NO CLINTON

Why are we having trouble passing health care? NO LEADERSHIP Why is there no action on repeal of Don't ask don't tell and Defense of Marriage Act? NO LEADERSHIP Why did Proposition 8 Pass? NO LEADERSHIP Why is the public option being axed? NO LEADERSHIP Why do the republicans think they can still call the shots? NO LEADERSHIP---------------------------- IF YOU WANTED A LEADER YOU SHOULD HAVE SUPPORTED HILLARY IN THE PRIMARY! THIS MAN IS NO PROGRESSIVE AND THUS FAR NO LEADER! ============ OH AND DEMOCRATS, FORGET ANY MONEY OR SUPPORT UNTIL YOU KEEP YOUR PROMISES!

Clinton Is No Liberal

If Hillary truly was a liberal, she would have gotten my vote. But since she pals around lately with the likes of Henry Kissinger and Mika's pop (Zbigniew Brzezinski) discussing realpolitik, she is demonstrating that she is less of a liberal than her DLC tomcat.

As opposed to <em>who</em>?

She "pals around with" Brzezinski and Kissinger? Not sure what you mean by "pal's around with" them, but both of them are major players in foreign policy circles.

I hate to break it to you, but any SoS would have contact with them.

Say What? Hillary is a Progressive?

I thought Hillary was a member of the DLC, and even less progressive than Barack Obama. Am I wrong about Hillary's past connection with the DLC? Yes, we need Leadership! But I don't see how Hillary would have been any better than Barack on this issue. I also agree with you about holding back donations and "boots on the ground". If the Democratic Leadership continues in the direction they are now going, they can count me out because when they made sure "Single Payer" was not on the table, they told me my concern about health care for all was not important. I hope the tens of Millions of Dollars you all took from the Insurance, Pharaceutical, and Medical lobbies will do the work you expected me from me, because I see no reason to support you in any way. An analog gray hair frantically clinging to the trailing edge of technology. :-)

Less progressive?

Not really. Based on their voting records, they're virtually identical, and slightly to the left of the average Democrat.

On this issue in particular, the plans they presented were also very similar to each other, with the primary difference being an individual mandate, a position supported by progressive policy experts.

Of course, her plan also did not include any backroom promises to big pharma .....

If ...

... Obama or Congressional Democrats offered up something really worth fighting for, then we would. Who can get enthused about this milktoast "reform"?

Yah, in the long run it might lead to a national system like every sane country has ........ but we're already over half a century past due for that, and we'll all be dead before it finally happens.

So your okay with Corporate rule

you were okay with Chevron and what they did along the Amazon, what Dow Chemical did in Bhopal, what Exxon-Mobil's did in Alaska, what KBR did to our soldiers in (electrocuting) in Iraq, happy with Halliburton serving tainted water and food to the troops and holding poor foreign worker (hostage) taking away their passports and forcing them to live in "boxes" for pennies a day..thrilled with Blackwater's (Xe) murder of innocent, unarmed Iraqi civilians, Chiquita helping to arm the military to murder the civilians in Columbia (bloody drug trade?) Corporations have proved over and over again how benevolent they are...yeah corporations should rule the world..and fighting against them is fruitless (because they have more protection that you do) the Supremes almost always rule in the Corporates favor against the "little" guy..so you are right no reason we should help Obama or the Democrats push back and try to pry the Private Health Care Industries stranglehold on our Health Care system away from them, take some of that power back for ourselves in the form of Government control...we can hold our Government accountable...we vote..go ahead, go to a Corporations Headquarters any where on Wall Street or in that vicinity and hold a "screaming, disruptive" Town Hall meeting in their lobby or even on their sidewalk..see how fast the police show up and start knocking heads and arresting people for destroying, trespassing, creating a public nuisance (or whatever) on PRIVATE property...thats the accountability you will get from the Corporations..arrest and jail time

Not Taking a Break From Politics

It's easier to hold accountable, your Member of Congress, than Obama. If there is a Town Hall Meeting nearby. Go! Even if you don't get in -- Go! Make a Sign that says "Health Care Now!" and go!. PM makes some good points. A lot of the comments also have good points. Have we been punked? Who knows? I'm still waiting to see these health care meetings on C-Span. The bothersome thing to me is the headline I'm reading this morning about the "influence" of Rahm Emanuel on President Obama. If Rahm has more influence on Obama than Rove had on GWB, progressives do have a problem. We have to ask ourselves if we voted for a DINO to run the country, or if we really did vote for change. What we don't do --- is "Take a Break from Politics." We don't give up at this point. At this point -- we are just getting started. We are nine months, into a four year term. It never was going to be a sprint. It always is a marathon.

Plunder is the new black.

That's why we wont save the planet... there just isn't a market for it.

Clinton = Obama

They both have enormous personal charisma. They also knuckle under to the monied people! Clinton is correct in that his fellow Democrats fought him on the original proposal(overturning the gay ban), particularly Sam Nunn who was the one that came up with the video of the "close quarters" in a submarine and put forth the idea that every straight guy was so "devistatingly irristable" that they would be hit on every minute of every day (these fearless warriors couldn't defend themselves(?) - even if this were true, which, or course it isn't). So Clinton gave up and settled for "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" - and dismissals increased! He also gave us NAFTA (jobs flew overseas), bank deregulation (leading to the current crisis) and deregulated the media (so we now have 7 big corporations owning all radio and TV.) Obama promised to close Gitmo - he didn't; promised to outlaw rendition - he didn't; promised transparency - he won't even release his visitor's list; overturn DOMA - he didnt even try; and halt Don't Ask, Don't Tell (which he could immediatley do with his signature) - he won't. And apparently he's made a deal with the drug companies to pull price controls out of the Health Care Plan in return for their support - have you seen their recent "Harry & Louies" ads favoring his Health Care Plan? They are identical - bought and paid for politicians!!!!

Obama = Obama

Clinton tried to get a full repeal of the military ban, but was opposed by a majority in Congress and the public. He made the repeal a high priority early in his first term and paid a high political price as a result. Obama has much stronger numbers in Congress, and strong public opinion (@ 70%+) in favor of a total repeal, yet he's done nothing.

Re: NAFTA, the definitive study on its effects concludes that there was no net loss of jobs created by NAFTA. As far as GLB - which came to his desk with bipartisan, veto-proof numbers (it passed 362-57 and 90-8), it is not responsible for the economic meltdown.

Sorry, but Obama does not equal Clinton. No politician can make good on all their promises, but Obama, who was sold as the candidate of the true progressives, has caved more in 6 months than Clinton did in 8 years ....

.... and for no good reason.

I'm willing to take Clinton at his word on Don't Ask..

Why should Clinton have cared? Gay rights? That's just something that gets the Redneck evangelicals excited. It has nothing to do with power. Same as Hubert Humphrey and Lyndon Johnson being in favor of the Civil Rights Act. Had nothing to do with power, did it? The buildings of Wall Street are full of Black Panthers today? So, no. Why shouldn't Clinton feel good about at least taking a stab at gay rights? Didn't detract from his real work of sending America's jobs overseas, and, hell, he succeeded superbly at that. For that matter, Hubert Humphrey may have loved civil rights but he loathed communists. If he were alive today he'd probably be denouncing any "socialization" of health care as much as the most rabid Republican. Race, gender preference. Just pawns. Just currency in the voter support bank. Follow the money. That's where you see the destruction that's eating the heart out of the country.

"And so it goes. Right-wing

"And so it goes. Right-wing presidents inherit whole armies of blitzkriegers, those willing to organize and fight unquestioningly for the reactionary cause with indefatigable enthusiasm. Progressive presidents inherit quitters and critics: progressive critics, for whom stubborn political realities are but an inconvenient bummer to be decried."

Blaming all those ignored and hoodwinked by the Hoper from Audacity - the guy who has recently dismissed and ridiculed these same people who constituted his base during the campaign - for his own failure to even show up for the job they hired him for. That takes some gall, Carpenter.

This is ironically similar to blaming Obama's doldrums on Progressives; for NOT pressuring Obama ENOUGH to consider their demands - a ploy recently used by a number of Obama appologists. You know: the old FDR legend when he supposedly said "make me" to civil rights activists. You were one of those who wrote that line, weren't you PM?

Well which is it?

from Montana we say Baucus stinks

Don't get confused about it.... Montana has a VERY strong single payer movement, and they dog Baucus everywhere he goes regarding this health care fiasco. Baucus does not give a crap what Montana thinks. His money is outside of the state, and largely from the healthcare dicks... so he really doesn't give a ^%$(*& what we think. DO NOT blame his behavior or his vote on us... take that up with his blue cross buddies. gypsy

Carpenter whined...

"And so it goes. Right-wing presidents inherit whole armies of blitzkriegers, those willing to organize and fight unquestioningly for the reactionary cause with indefatigable enthusiasm. Progressive presidents inherit quitters and critics: progressive critics, for whom stubborn political realities are but an inconvenient bummer to be decried."

Carpenter, you are so wrong about progressives being quitters. The Netroots Nation conference in Pittsburgh this week proves it!

And what's wrong with critics? Why do you think it wrong to criticize Obama for being a kinder, gentler version of Dubya/dick who only brings change you can believe in that remains the same. If you want to blindly follow lemmings over a cliff, then join the Republican Party.

By the way Carpy, you recently offered your own solution. Are you still hoping for more far right thuggish and disruptive behavior at town hall meetings?

Buzzflash, when are you going to fire this clown? He is giving you a bad name.

I was alive in 1992 and

I was alive in 1992 and everything President Clinton said about it accords with my memory. The president tried, he really did, but, as he noted, the president is not a dictator (even though there are many who wish otherwise as long as the president is Democratic -- I call them ‘BuzzFlash Bushists’). Essentially, President Clinton’s plans were vetoed by Congress.

This was in an era when Congress didn’t simply rubber-stamp presidential decrees, as they are more wont to do now -- and probably will end up doing with the healthcare bill, though in this case it’s alright. But back then we probably also would have had, for instance, committees visibly investigating Obama’s placement in Afghanistan of Blackwater thugs. Is there such an investigation now?

Let me add this. People who complain about Obama behaving in a bipartisan manner are making fools of themselves. As Howard Dean told Ron Reagan yesterday, bipartisanship is what the American people want -- there is no doubt of it, and it’s part of what made Obama a wonderful candidate -- so Democrats should give it to them. If the Republicans reject the bipartisanship, that’s their problem -- besides which, they are irrelevant and Obama knows it. They neither can write nor prevent the legislation. The difficulty Obama faces consists of senators such as Max Baucus, Kent Conrad, and Evan Bayh. And these guys get a bum rap, too, because, for all I know and for all probably most of the people cursing them know, they are doing exactly what their in state constituents elected them to do. They are not elected ‘at large’; they are not, ideally, the president’s pawns; he has to ‘persuade’ them into at least not filibustering. That’s why it takes so long to get this done.

(And, we learn from Brent Budowsky, Harry Reid saved our butts by calling an end to the manner in which some of these anti-government senators apparently were negotiating.)

Bipartisanship

Let's go easy on the "bi-partisanship."

I think Bill Maher said it best this week:

Paraphrasing: "We have one party that wants to pass cap and trade (which used to be the Republican position) and one party who says we'll be on this Earth as long as Jesus wants us to be."

It's hard to be bi-partisan when the Democrats have shifted to the center and Republicans have shifted to the Sarah Palin land of lunacy.

Give me a break

I'm sick of hearing how progressives don't support their leaders.

I was writing and calling congressmen and senators, donating to campaigns, taking part in endless online conversations and conversations wherever I could find them on healthcare.

My fire was burning strong until I heard Claire McCaskill state unequivocally that "there WILL NOT be a public option."

You want to talk about lack of support? We progressives will support our representatives till the end of the Earth, they just need to show the type of backbone and vision we need.

Hearing that from McCaskill took the wind out of my sails completely. Now I am taking a break. The Democrats once again will be going for the ridiculous safe option. I'm done with them.

I Find This Interesting!

"The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, created by the billionaire founder of Microsoft Corp., sold almost all its pharmaceutical holdings, including Wyeth, Merck & Co. and Eli Lilly & Co., and bought shares of energy companies."

Must not be any likelihood of obscene profits from Big Pharma anymore - or else Windows 7 needs a huge transfusion of Bill's Bucks to fix the usual suspected problems Windows always seems to have.

OK but....

The last thing we want to see in the progressive movement is the big dog attack politics, fearmongering, lying, and political hypocrisy we see from the wingnuts. President Obama is doing what he does best... leading. Calmly, with real strength, he's rallying both the party faithful and the independent voters. You call them sprinters, but I call them marathoners. We have time.. the right wing nutocrats flail away hysterically and hypocritically, winning the 24 hour news cycle because you rightly point out, "TV loves a ruckus." The real work is getting done in the weekly, monthly news cycle with the calmer voice of reason. Keep up the slow intense pressure, stay vigilent, guard the watchtower... progressives will prevail.

Hey! Sell Me Some OF That!

Do please explain on which planet or alternate dimension you are from Brentman! I would love to see Obama The Leader that you see instead of the limp-wristed "cain't we all jus' git along" bipartisan doormat that exists in mine. Maybe a hit of that fine stuff you're smoking will do the trick!

It's called "Hopium", but be careful, ....

... it's easy to overdose, .....


.......... and the withdrawal's a bitch.

It's YTwerp - The Left's Own Teabagger!

You know it's you, Neoconned, Mike5000, epppie, nasrudin et al that are the reason I gave up on BuzzFlash. You're no better than the Right-Wing Traitor teabaggers, birthers, deathers - only your ideology is different.

Of course, Bill Clinton has no right to say what he said - given that, as a good member of the DLC, he never met a principle he couldn't compromise into impotency. OTOH, trying to get you lot going anywhere is like herding cats - with Cat Scratch Fever on their claws, so anybody who tries to help you gets sick! The only good thing about that is, sooner of later Cat Scratch Fever makes even weaker and your teeth fall out - so you'll be all be weak and toothless.

Too bad it didn't happen to the Right first - but after trying to deal for too long w/the likes of you, I'll take what I can get....

Speaking of Hopium withdrawal

Ladies and gentlemen, meet "Doc", a founding member of the true prog gang who is going through severe Hopium withdrawal and could use your help. He spent the entire primary season calling anyone who didn't support Obama a "racist". But it's not his fault .... he just can't get the gullibility monkey off his back. He grew up in a conservative family, and used to be a conservative himself. Then he became a Libertarian, then a Democrat, and finally a True Prog. He supported Bill Clinton, then Hillary Clinton, and Ralph Nader, before he discovered "The One", and decided thatall the others were just "DNC, Repub-lite, Khrister-righter, racists". C'mon! Ya gotta feel for a guy who supports so many Dems/progressives, only to have them all suddenly morph into a KKK members overnight! I mean, seriously, ......what are the odds?

Anyway, please help "Doc" out. After trashing the Clintons and calling anyone who was not an Obama supporter a "RACIST!" for so many months, he's finally managed to figure out that Obama is not, in reality, a fellow true prog. He's begun to clue into the fact that "Hope" and "Change" are nebulous concepts rather than actual promises, and that even the relatively few promises made by candidate Obama are not so much "promises" as they are wishlists. Finally, he's one of the last kids on the short bus to realize that maybe, just maybe, there were legitimate reasons beyond racism for supporting other candidates.

In short, "Doc"'s suffering from Hopium withdrawal, and he's hurting. He's tried to keep his head low and avoid the embarrassment of confronting his mistakes, but it's just not working. With a litle encouragement, though, "Doc" can be saved. Please join me for an intervention to let "Doc" know that, in fact, it's time to stop going through life as a dupe .... a "dupervention", if you will. Stand up, be a man, and admit "I was duped, and I'm not gonna let it happen again!"

Please "Doc", even if you don't care about yourself, do it for us! Watching you do this to yourself every election cycle is really too much to bear. Besides, it's just embarrassing to watch. "Doc",in the immortal words of Dean Wormer, ...

"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son." BTW - "Bill Clinton had no right to say what he said"? What are you rambling about?

Yes, Clinton the Blue Dog DINO-Fascist

Thanks to Clinton, we lost our manufacturing base through NAFTA and other corporate written Free Trade Treaties.

The only reason Clinton looked good, was because he was sandwiched between a bad Neocon-Fascist president and the worst Neocon-Fascist pResident(puppeteered by dick Cheney) of all time.

"Blue Dog DINO-Fascist"???

And NAFTA is responsible for the destruction of our manufacturing base? Based on who's claims (Robert Scott, Lou Dobbs)? I'm not a fan of NAFTA for a number of reasons, but in the land of reality jobs lost through NAFTA were offset by jobs gained, leaving little net effect on employment. Besides, ....... Obama promised to renegotiate NAFTA, so all is well (snicker).

As for the "Blue Dog Dino-Fascist" comment, that's just too stupid for words.

Maybe you true progs could get an island for your own little utopia?

Spare me from your ad hominems, which only discredit yourself

First of all, I didn't just say NAFTA, I said NAFTA and other Free Trade Treaties.

Second, your information is five years old and has been completely discredited, as evidenced by the decimation of our manufacturing base.

Is that why you spew uncivil insults like a spoiled little brat? Because you have nothing relevant to say and can't win the argument?

By the way, Blue Dog Dino-Fascist is exactly what one calls a Southern Democrat who votes with Republicans to support the upper 1% plutocracy and multinational corporations, instead of doing right by WE THE PEOPLE.

Spare me your baseless accusations

Yes, I noticed that you said "other treaties". I also noticed that you cited no other trade agreements, and no evidence to support your claims. You should note that the Congressional Research Service is the definitive study on the effects of NAFTA. Do you have some kind of evidence to the contrary? Let me guess, ........ No? The mere fact that our manufacturing base has declined further in the past five years disproves nothing. Have you ever heard of the word "causation"? It's a fairly simple concept, but one that you may want to become familiar with if you don't wish to continue to embarrass yourself further.

BTW - I knew what you were getting at with the Blue Dog Dino-Fascist garbage ... no need to explain it. To be honest, though, it is better when you add the "votes with Republicans to support the upper 1% plutocracy" crap. Well, "better" in the sense of ....

funnier.

Your premiss is faulty

Usually, agree with you P.M.--but Obama has not proven to be a progressive president. You can argue he's being as progressive as he CAN be, considering the conservative structive aligned against him, but I don't even buy that. Nobody forced him to line his Treasury Dept with a who's who of Goldman Sachs alums and favor big banks over the people at every turn. No one forced him to hire White House lawyers who are advising him to continue Bush's assault on civil liberties and a codification of the unitary executive. No one is pressuring him to use the State Secrets Act to prevent the government transparency he promised. I could name other examples, but the point is that these are self-inflicted wounds--and the stances are diametrically opposed to the Candidate Obama that liberals thought they were electing. For you now to blame liberals for being "idealistic" and lazy is missing the entire point. There are concrete reasons for liberals to be deflated. We thought we were we getting FDR and so far we're getting Bill Clinton (Yman--you should be delighted). Now that's not all bad, Bill did a good job in many ways, but goddamn it we had a right to get a real progressive in the White House after what we put up with for the last 8 years and all we've gotten so far is a corporate democrat. It's too early right now to say Obama has "sold out" and that we've been punked. I think that within the next 2 years we will be able to discern what makes this guy tick. But I'll tell you this--if Obama continues to triangulate and cow-tow to the conservadems and republicans while throwing nothing more than crumbs to his base, you're going to see a helluva lot more liberals "taking a break" from politics in 2012--precisely when he will be desperate for their money and energy. I'm sure he understands this. I plan to be fair with him. I'm still a supporter. But that doesn't mean liberals don't have a right to be dissapointed with Obama when he needlessly falls short in living up to his 2008 rhetoric--the key word being NEEDLESSLY. Sometimes you lose fights and you have to compromise. Most people understand that and accept it, especially liberals. But someone is going to have to explain to me why needlessly coddling big banks and cementing presidential power and government secrecy is a good thing for the people of this country. Until that happens, I suspect I will remain disappointed. He will have my "support" regardless. But as for my time, energy and money, that will remain mine in 2012--better sent to groups that support actual progressives. Sorry, not buying your premiss. Obama has not proven to be a real progressive. Not so far.

Thank you

Thanks PG for a very well put assessment of what is going on. You saved me from having to write all that you said.

Of COURSE he'll have your support

What other choice do you have, PG? Besides, it's not easy to admit you've been duped. Yet it was you and a bunch of other true progs who spent the entire primary season attacking Hillary Clinton with the most ridiculous accusations while promoting Obama as the only true progressive candidate. Now you want to complain? Sorry, PG. Just because you and some of the other true progs have finally taken off your rose-colored glasses, doesn't mean you can place all the blame Obama because the world isn't pink. Unlike the glorified image you peddled during the primary, Obama's just a politician doing what all politicians do .... selling themselves to the electorate. You're like the guy who told all his neighbors about how wonder his shiny new Humvee is, convinced them to buy one, too, then is pissed at the salesman when he finally figures out it doesn't get the "Hope and Change" mileage that the salesman told him it would.

As for being "delighted" for getting Bill Clinton, you're wrong in a number of respects. Most importantly, Bill Clinton never sold himself as anything other than a centrist Democrat - Obama and his true prog supporters did. Beyond that, the hunger for a progressive agenda is much stronger now than it was in 1992. Obama also has a much greater advantage in Congress, a huge advantage that Bill Clinton did not have. Finally, Obama now has a progressive infrastructure (Huffpo, Kos, Media Matters, etc.) that would help him get a progressive agenda implemented, ...... if only he was trying to push a progressive agenda.

Six months in, we have a list of betrayals longer than a 16-year-old's ITune's playlist, including two wars that aren't even close to winding down, an administration that refuses to hold the Bush administration responsible for its crimes, a watered-down health plan (complete with backroom deals with the pharmaceutical companies) that's circling the drain, an extension of Bush's war on our civil rights, and an economy that's gone nowhere but downhill, with no regulation to protect us from another Bush meltdown ......... only if and when another meltdown happens, the public will place the blame squarely on Obama and (by extension) Democrats. The opportunity to implement real change and make Republicans irrelevant for years to come will have been squandered needlessly. Eight years of a disastrous Bush presidency, and this is the Democratic answer?

"Bill Clinton"?


We could only wish.

Hillary would have been far worse than Obama as Pres.

Kucinich was my pick right from the start.

He is the only one in Congress who actually tried to impeach both Dubya and the dick.

Howard Dean would have made an excellent VP.

Kucinich/Dean 2012!

Really? You think so?

Crystal ball, tarot cards ....

... or tinfoil hat?

Exactly...

I couldn't have said it better myself YMAN.

It's not like Obama SHOULD be afraid of a truly progressive agenda. In polling, the country supports it overwhelmingly.

Additionally, after eight disastrous years of Bush, the table was set for truly radical change for the good of the country.

Not only that, Clinton dealt with a hostile Congress. Obama has a bullet-proof majority, with a few blue dogs that would need a kick in the ass every now and then.

What did Obama deliver? Very little.

What we've gotten so far has been extremely watered down and, in many cases, an extension of Bush programs that were THE most offensive parts of his Presidency, ie wars and civil liberties abuses.

And now, with the country ripe for health care reform, I'm not hearing the firm commitment to a single payer health care system that is THE only system that would be worth reforming TO.

"What can one man do as pushback?"

HOW ABOUT LEAD!!!

Obama presented himself as a leader, promising to fight for the little guy, and the people turned out in droves, sufficient in number to wipe out the Diebold factor in the election. And then, as another commenter here notes, turned his back on us once he got the key to the Oval Office Executive Rest Room. He stepped aside to let the Congress of Corporatist Whores take over as leader in realizing his agenda. He threw us to the wolves who eat Congress-critters for breakfast. And now you want to bash people for not following a follower???

As yesterday's photo op in Montana demonstrated, Obama has the ability to be a leader. Even those two who stood up and asked sharp questions about his plans did so in a respectful manner, and maybe even went home with some new thoughts about health care reform. I was watching MSNBC after the Fog and Phoney Show ended, and the NRA welder felt that Obama answered his question. I didn't detect that the answer was disingenuous in any way.

What this demonstrates is Obama has got what it takes to lead, which in a nutshell is to convince people to follow him. He just has to get Rahm off his ass (like Dick Cheney seems to think that lame-ass Dubya did to him) and actually LEAD the nation like he promised he would.

Maybe then he will get the kind of support Carpenter is now demanding.

Those bad, lazy progressives

Isn't the real culprit our pay-to-play political system? Don't you think progressives are mad as hell because they/we know that overwhelmingly it was health insurance company and drug company executives who were invited to the white house to set the stage for this legislation?

For once I agree

Political struggles are not determined by their relative merits, but by power. In this society money is power. Money is the grease on the wheels of organization, communication and persuasion. Those who have it win. Those who don't loose.

my oh my what a suprise

My,oh my what a suprise yet another blast at the progressive branch of the democrats.you wonder why progressives do not support Obama could it be they are not mindless creatins like the conservatives and will support only legislation that is progressive.Obama needed the progressives to get elected and now that he has, from day 1 he turned his back on them siding with the conservatives at every chance he gets.And yet you,Pm Carpenter wonder why people who worked so hard to get him elected,people who hoped for positive change, won't work as hard to get his conservative legislation passed.Its a no brainer.

Double-edged sword, PM ...

You spent the entire primary attacking the Clintons as centrist, non-progressive, Republican-lite, blah, blah, blah, and now you're complaining about how the "true progs" turn on their own? Hell, PM ...... a year ago you were loving that fact. Guess it's easier to use the inevitable gullibility (and subsequent self-righteous indignation) of the true progs than it is to counter it, huh, PM?

Forgive me if I have a few good chuckles at your expense. Well, okaaaaay .......

..... more than a few.