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Yesterday morning's shootout: Gingrich-Cheney vs. Ridge-Powell

THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

Former Pennsylvania governor and current Republican adult Tom Ridge appeared on CNN's "State of the Union" yesterday to reprimand his party's "commentators" for being "shrill" and "judgmental." Accordingly, he encouraged them to be more "rational, thoughtful, responsible and reasonable."

Yeah, I know. There's nothing like wasted breath, which is how talk radio and Fox News regard reason. But of course Ridge knows that too, so he'll be neither surprised nor disappointed this week when his Sunday morning call for civility is rewarded by shrill denunciations and judgmental hogwash.

But Ridge didn't stop there. In a further pursuit of moderation and thus "Dick Who-ism?" he delivered an unambiguous "yes" to John King's question, "You disagree with Dick Cheney then?" -- that is, that President Obama is making us "less safe"?

No hesitation, no equivocation -- "Yes, I disagree with Dick Cheney," he said -- and although he instantly disagreed with Obama, too, Ridge's direct assault on his former boss was a vivid declaration of the GOP's internal war.

Meanwhile, fellow moderate Gen. Colin Powell was launching a second front on "Face the Nation." Addressing specifically the topic of Guantanamo's closing but in general the issue of Obama's national security measures, Powell said, "I think we need to kind of take the heat out of this issue." In service of that admonition he repeatedly noted to the immoderates that it was President Bush -- not President Obama -- who first expressed the desire to shut down Gitmo.

Also noteworthy -- indeed, headline-worthy, I thought -- was Powell's intimation that as secretary of state he possessed only Nancy Pelosilike knowledge of waterboarding.

"I think it was unfortunate," said Powell, "but we had a system that kept that in a very compartmented manner. And so I was apart [sic] that these enhanced interrogation techniques were being considered."

The man was secretary of state and former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, for heaven's sake, yet worked in a "system" devised by Bush-Cheney that kept interrogation techniques of terrorist suspects "compartmented" from key players -- or in other words, a system that kept its own highest officials in utter ignorance.

Again, seemingly for emphasis, possibly as politically volunteered corroboration of Pelosi's out-of-the-loop contention, and quite probably because Bob Schieffer shockingly failed to connect the controversial dots: "We were aware that these techniques were being discussed," Powell reiterated. "And we were aware that legal opinions were being given that said they met the standard of the law."

Nothing more.

Also "unfortunate" was that Newt Gingrich was busy being shrill and judgmental on "Meet the Press" just as Powell was sitting with Schieffer, so the former speaker of the House could not have known about and therefore righteously denounce in a timely fashion Powell's shadowy suggestion that the Bush administration was bent on internal deception, let alone full disclosure to some mere minority-party member of some no-account Congressional committee.

But in Newt I have faith. He'll get around to it. Then we'll all be a bit safer in Newt's world, which is good, because we decidedly are not in President Obama's.

How could we be? I mean, Mr. Gingrich yesterday, with his customary intellectual integrity, laid it starkly on the line: "The question comes right down to, as Vice President Cheney said this week, what's your highest priority? Is it to defend America and protect American lives, or is it to find some way to defend terrorists and to get terrorists involved in the criminal justice system?"

Actually, Newt, that should be "higher" priority, but who am I to quibble with such a Big Idea Man or take lightly such an honorably offered clear choice? Ya got me, Newt. I gotta go with defending America and not the terrorists. Damn you're good.

Still, Gingrich's arguments weren't really with me or mine. Increasingly they're with his own party, whose internally opposing armies are being formed and the battle lines drawn. It's too early to slap down any confident bets on the emergent victor, but if I were a hunch-player I'd have to go with the Gingrich camp.

 

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THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter




The "movement" conservatives

The "movement" conservatives have said all along their goal is the distruction of government in peoples lives... which makes them, essentially, anarchists. Think for a moment the caos that would result if we were governed by the Market (as the right proposes) rather than a representative government. There would be no jobs because labor is cheaper offshore. There would be no affordable healthcare. Anyone makeing less than $150,000 a year would be considered a drudge on society and ostracized in the same way Reagan disenfranchised so many American's as being "welfare queens" The irony in all this is that we were warned about this outcome in 1960 by a Republican: Dwight D. Eisenhower. Perhaps Cheney, Gingrich, Limbaugh and everyone else who subscribes to the radical right should keep the Republican name and allow Powell, Ridge and other moderates to form a workable party.

So what has changed since January? Nothing!

This "shootout" is yet another diversionary tactic to take your mind off the real issue. Obama is turning out to be the greatest disappointment ever by becoming a kinder, gentler version of Bush/Cheney. He has become a Stepford wife to the powers that be.

Jon Stewart pointed out the other day that Obama's speeches echo Dubya. Creepy.

We do not torture, except when we do torture, and we do indeed continue to torture.

It's no longer called a "War on Terror", except that it is still a "War OF Terror", fought endlessly.

Bush promised to protect the people, while Obama the other day says his job is to protect America (from the terrorist bogeymen hiding under our beds). Never mind that the real job of the President, Supreme Court and Congress is to protect the U.S. Constitution, not shred it. They took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, not the people.

War criminals are paid to appear on Sunday morning talk shows instead of being subpoenaed to answer for their crimes in front of grand juries.

Meanwhile, as the economy continues to be shipped off to China and middle America slip into poverty, with the blessings of the Obama administration and Democratic Congress, the upper 1% white plutocracy continue to steal the wealth of a nation, not to mention the entire planet.

The super rich get trillions of dollars while main street goes bankrupt and the middle class gets foreclosure notices.

It's the early 60's all over again. But this time the war is against WE THE PEOPLE. Sooner or later, one little spark (possibly an eviction of a likable neighbor) will ignite the hidden rage that is now ready to boil over. Long term civil unrest is now a certainty in every major city across the country, especially in Washington, D. C.

Get ready for the long, hot, angry summer. But don't worry, Cheney's Halliburton built concentration camps are ready to go!

As Good as it Gets

It looks like Powell and Ridge are systematically working to enhance the GOP's reputation, but I agree that the ilk of Gingrich and Limbaugh will likely triumph because they've been too loud for too long with too many disciples. Let's face it, does either individual deserve that must respect? It's not very believable while Powell was in the State Department that he remained mostly oblivious to the extent torture was employed. He's more than likely covering, which has been his forte since the Mai Lai Massacre. Tom Ridge was with Homeland Security from its inception, which has paid far more attention to far more ordinary Americans than potential terrorists. But then apparently they're among the best, brightest, and the least corrupted of the GOP image makeovers who are emerging.

Great comment!

It doesn't seem like the Republican party can come up with anyone who is untainted and certainly no one so far that a party member who is moderate and has a lick of common sense can rally behind. Good...