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Obama's long and labored path to doing the right thing

THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

What began as passable clarity has now lapsed into utter anarchy.

Sunday, on ABC's "This Week," Chief of a Very Confused Staff Rahm Emanuel said, point blank, it's time to move on. "It is not a time to use our energy and our time in looking back, and in a sense of anger and retribution." There would be, he said, no prosecutions.

Next day, according to the NY Times, "administration officials said ... that Mr. Emanuel had meant the officials who ordered the policies carried out, not the lawyers who provided the legal rationale."

That would be Monday, yet it was also Monday when Robert Gibbs said flatly that President Obama has no interest in prosecuting anyone.

So it was that both Obama's chief of staff and press secretary appeared to redefine, if not overrule, the president's own statement issued last week on release of the torture memos: "It is our intention to assure those who carried out their duties relying in good faith upon legal advice from the Department of Justice that they will not be subject to prosecution." By omission, others would be; and that was the little ounce of clarity we all counted on.

Which is precisely what senior advisor David Axelrod repeated two days ago on "Face the Nation": "Well, the president has said, if there were agents of the United States government acting on legal advice that what they were doing was legal and appropriate, that they should not be prosecuted. If people acted outside the law, that's a different issue." The writing of illegal memos falls into that "different" category.

Ah, but that was Sunday. Then, as noted, and logically enough, came Monday. Now the president himself was contradicting his own "administration officials," who contradicted Rahm Emanuel, who contradicted David Axelrod, who pre-contradicted Robert Gibbs.

Speaking at CIA headquarters yesterday, President Obama appeared to confirm Emanuel and Gibbs, while denying Axelrod as well as his own written statement of last week: Let's concede that "mistakes" were made, he said, and for heaven's sake move on.

Just hours later, however, Obama's aides were doing the same number on him as they had done on Emanuel. Reports the Times: "While Mr. Obama vowed not to prosecute C.I.A. officers for acting on legal advice, on Monday aides did not rule out legal sanctions for the Bush lawyers who developed the legal basis for the use of the techniques." (Techniques? Gentlemen of the Times, that's spelled t-o-r-t-u-r-e.)

So maybe we're back where we started -- non-prosecution at the operational level, and probable legal action against those "who developed" the illegalities. We can't be sure, of course, since Robert Gibbs hasn't yet spoken today at the time of this writing. But that's the way things look. We think.

In my opinion, that's the way things should stay, right up until criminal charges are filed against those "Bush lawyers." Obama had it right to begin with, and I suspect that he suspected that that's where we'd wind up: prosecuting the architects but not those who merely followed the blueprints.

There are always a lot of poor analogies floating around the Internets, but the weakest is that in which CIA agents on the ground are compared to Nazi war criminals who later defended themselves through the "just following orders" argument. The comparison simply doesn't wash. Nazi war crimes were atrocities in which every participant incontrovertibly knew of the illegality of his actions under, if nothing else, international law. Therefore their defense of "just following orders"; there was no real question, in anyone's mind, that the orders were incommensurably illegal. CIA interrogators, on the other hand, conducted themselves according to what they were told by superiors -- through the Justice Department -- was perfectly legal, in perfect accordance with U.S. Constitutional and international law.

Hence that analogy is easily dispatched; its logic not so much offensive as flawed. The other analogy floating about cyberspace, however, is decidedly offensive: that Obama's reluctance to prosecute agents on the operational level puts him in the same wretched, dictatorial league as George W. Bush.

This colossal mess was not of Obama's making, and further, he has found himself in a whopper of an internal bind -- hardly one of presidential intent. The legal reasoning behind prosecution of operational agents is, as noted, shaky at best and reason enough not to pursue it. But if Obama proceeded anyway, and that ill-advised prosecution was then followed by mass disgruntled defections at CIA, and those defections were then followed by a terrorist attack on American soil -- well, that would spell The End for Obama's presidency. Period.

Is there a regrettable element of the political in that judgment? Well, duh.

In the last analysis even the loftiest of notions -- say, the Rule of Law -- often comes down to the political. That's not a cynical observation on my part, just a statement of human nature. And it's the political that Obama needs now more than ever, to help support and confirm the lofty -- which, I'm convinced, he genuinely wants.

He needs Pat Leahy or Dianne Feinstein or John Conyers or somebody to take the bloody heat off him. That's the wiser alternative -- have Congress investigate Bush's conspicuously criminal architects and have Justice follow up. Furthermore, I suspect that's the alternative that Obama has been begging for behind the scenes: for someone of a Congressional bent to force Justice's hand.

And that's about as much clarity as I can gather from this fiasco.

 

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Problem is that Democratic higher-ups are among those who would come out looking bad. Obama isn’t exactly in a position to tell Steny and Rocky and Feinstein and so forth what to do, and doesn’t wish to gain them as enemies. Generally, this is a good thing; we don’t want a presidency powerful enough to tell Congress what to do.

(Actually I think Mr. Karlin would like that, so long as Barack Obama were that president, but I wouldn’t want that.)

(yawn) Yet more PM fascist BS

Less than one in a thousand CIA employees was involved in torture. Most CIA employees are decent people and want to see war criminals prosecuted.

Rahm's refusal to prosecute war criminals stems from two causes:

1. By mutual agreement the scum floats above the law. If Dims were to start prosecuting Repug war criminals then Repugs might prosecute people like Rahm. Rahm was on the board of Freddie Mac and involved in numerous illegal fundraisers and blatantly illegal accounting tricks. Freddie Mac was fined millions but the scum were never prosecuted.

2. Rahm is a crazy Zionist who has always puts Israeli interests ahead of American interests. It would not be fair to compare Israelis to Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot, but they definitely lead the second tier of war criminals. Rahm has strict orders from his masters to deep six any talk of war crimes prosecutions.

Carpenter is Dead Wrong, Again

Carpenter, the apologist, propagandizes, "The legal reasoning behind prosecution of operational agents is, as noted, shaky at best and reason enough not to pursue it."

What is this, a kinder, gentler version of Neocon-Fascist madness??? What's next Carpenter, another smear piece against Krugman for rightly criticizing Obama's criminal refusal to prosecute Bush/Cheney war crimes? Why do you insult our intelligence and embrace discredited FAUX Gnus tactics?

Claiming we must not prosecute torture to prevent mass defections of psychotic sadists from the CIA, otherwise we will be attacked by terrorists, is the saddest case of Chicken Little balls I've ever seen in a Liberal leaning talking head.

Here's why ALL CIA agents who tortured MUST be prosecuted:

'CIA Watchdog Report Says Detainees Died During Interrogations'
http://www.pubrecord.org/torture/845.html?task=view

We voted for change, not for a changeling. Why has Obama become a Stepford wife to the upper 1% Plutocracy? Why is he giving a pass to torture? Why is he stealing trillions of dollars for banks that should fail? Why is he not renegotiating Free Trade Treaties like NAFTA that destroyed our manufacturing base?

Obama has no choice. By law, he MUST prosecute ANYONE involved with committing war crimes. That includes the architects upon high in the White House, all the way down to those who actually carried out the torture.

If President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder refuse to enforce the Rule of Law, then they MUST be impeached and removed from office.

We cannot allow the plutocracy to usurp WE THE PEOPLE again.

End of story.

no contradictions

carpenter is delusional. the torturers knew what they were doing was illegal. Obama and the new gang are not tracking the criminal trail to the Bush White House. They are feeling their way around to determine the best way to confuse while avoiding the so-called Rule of Law. No doubt Leahy or Feinstein will help disperse the heat. Hence, keeping the so-called Rule of Law out of the picture is the priority. Obama could have announced on his first day that the crime era was over but he didnt because it isnt.

PM, Two Things

1) Those CIA operatives wanted to torture - they went to the Bush Regime to get legal cover (and to make sure that if they went down, they wouldn't go down alone - in Organized Crimespeak). They are HARDLY "innocent victims" of anything - and should be p-u-n-i-s-h-e-d for their actions.

For Gods' Sakes, even that Faux Nutwurk Torturefest 24 recognizes THAT much! No matter what the results, Jack Bauer must pay for the methods he used in obtaining them....

2) Either there's a palace revolt going on in Obama's Administration...or that's Just What He Wants Everybody To Think. Not for the first time, I wonder if The President isn't playing a very long game - one where he will be (reluctantly of course!) "forced to acquiesce" to investigations and prosecutions of those who implemented, and those responsible for implementing, torture.

As you say, PM, that would keep the investigation & prosecution from the appearance, at least in the seditious minds of the Teabaggers and those Right-Wing Traitors who are whipping them up into insurrectionist frenzies, of being a ::pardon me while I snicker until coffee shoots out my nose!:: "partisan witch hunt"...because everybody knows The Right would never EVER resort to such tactics!

Still clinging ...

... to that sliver of hope that this is some sort of inscrutable, 11-Dimensional-Chess strategy, huh "Doc"?

Damn!!!

That hopium is some powerful stuff.

And YOU, YMan, Will Never Stop Hatin' On Obama

b/c it is him, and not Queen of the DLC Clinton, who is making decisions you don't agree with. Just like the Right Wing which you are increasingly sounding like a member of - You Are One Sore Loser.

BTW, YMan, Mike5000 and all the rest of you "patriots" - don't be too sure that I'm the one who's deluded. Though come to think of it, you'll come up w/some justifications to explain Why You Were Right All Along - just like Dick Cheney.

Wrong again, "Doc"

I'm not "hating on Obama." Hell, .... I like Obama. I'm "hating on" all the Clinton-haters (including many "true-progs" like yourself) who called Clinton and her supporters/defenders (I fall into the latter category - see if you can figure out the difference) every horrible word in the book during the primary, including "RACIST!!!" The same dupes who swore that Obama was different ... not a (gasp!) pandering politician like all the other candidates. He was a man who would not lie, would not exaggerate, would not be afraid to speak "truth to power," and would not pass the buck. He would do the right thing, regardless of the cost to himself politically, especially when it came to repairing the horrible damage Bush has done to our Constitution. He would hold Bush and his minions accountable. He would not tell us one thing in the campaign, then turn around and do the opposite after we elected him .... unlike that evil, craven, power-hungry Senator from your home state.

Let me re-emphasize, "Doc" .... just so we're clear. I like Obama ... quite a bit, actually. I hate the CDSers and true-progs who vilified Hillary Clinton and sold Obama as something he is not.

Got it now?

BTW - I couldn't be happier that Obama got elected. Besides the obvious (policies much better than McCain's, etc.), every time Obama backtracks on a campaign promise or does something that the Clinton-haters swore that he wouldn't do, I get to rub their noses in it. Like I said, ....

... it's looking like I may have to cancel my cable subscription.

BBC interviewed some former CIA operative who...

echoed those sentiments exactly,"...CIA operatives wanted to torture"!

Sorry, I didn't catch the fellow's name, because I was driving at the time, but he shocked the BBC interviewer with his strident right wing views, Obama's releasing of the Bush torture memos made the U.S. less safe and torture works.

Be that as it may, anyone who has ever worked for a federal agency knows that when it come time to rectify mistakes or transgressions stemming from managerial directives or direct orders, the rank and file workers pay the price while those in who are ultimately responsible, the political appointees of upper level management, receive performance bonuses. Obama may be acting under the assumption that prosecuting CIA operatives who tortured, under orders from their own upper level supervisors, will accomplish nothing, least of all improve agency morale, because it would be seen as merely standard operating procedure among the rank and file at Langley.

But if the president and his administration think for a minute that by letting Bush administration officials, from Cheney on down, who endorsed and legitimized the use of unconstitutional torture off the legal hook they are somehow "healing the country," a la Gerald Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon, they are sadly, sadly mistaken.

Do I Think That's What They HONESTLY Think, ETS? Hell, No!

Do I think their operatives and consultants and spin doctors and other soothsayers are telling them it would be "Political Suicide - look at how the Right went after Clinton after we impeached Nixon!" for the White House to pursue prosecutions? Oh, yeah....

Hence my belief, totally discredited by such Supreme Arbiters of Wisdom and Victory as...YMan or Mike5000, that he might be playing some form of - What WAS it you called it in your snippy way, YMan? Oh, yes - "11th-Dimensional Chess...."

Check. Your move.

Actually, "Doc" ....

... I think we're into a 12th Dimension, at this point, but you can keep repeating the mantra, if it makes you feel better:

"Hopey, Changey! Changey, Hopey! Hopey, Changey ..."

Heh, heh, heh .....


Mate.

BTW - You think Obama's doing this so that the right doesn't go after him like they did Clinton? Wow, .........

If Clinton did something like that, you guys would be calling her "weak", "craven", blah, blah, blah ....

Is it just "smart politics", now?