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MoveOn's shocking retreat from the battlefield

THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

I'm not a joiner. I'd like to think that's because of an Emersonian rather than Groucho Marxian impulse: it's true I'd want nothing to do with any group that would have me as a member, but on the other hand, groups, by definition, have a disagreeable tendency toward Group Think.

The results of their herd mentality are also horrifically predictable. Usually. But on occasion they do surprise, and that is precisely what MoveOn's membership did last week.

As the Politico reports, it was then that "the group’s members chose their top four priorities for the organization, winnowed down from a top-10 list culled from 50,000 suggestions." And here is what they chose:

"Universal health care; economic recovery and job creation; building a green economy/stopping climate change; and end[ing] the war in Iraq."

All perfectly sensible targets, for sure. It is, however, that which failed to make the final cut that surprised me to the point of shock: "holding the Bush administration accountable."

Let me back up just a bit. I was shocked for only the briefest of time, for I quickly remembered that this was a group making these selections -- collectively arrived-at common denominators of idealistic baubles, bangles and beads. And what was so shiny yesterday is already a tarnished toy: accountability.

MoveOn's executive director, Eli Pariser, framed the democratic outcome in this way: He "says that this happy alignment with Barack Obama’s agenda -- and fortuitous absence of conflict with same -- comes in part because 'the people he’s listening to and the people we’re listening to are the same people.'"

The Politico framed it in another way: The Final Four of priorities "may be a sign that MoveOn’s members want to move ahead -- and that they’re willing to make some ideological sacrifices in exchange for real progress."

OK, somebody is fudging here, big time.

Group think -- the institutional disease which for years MoveOn spent considerable resources properly assailing -- is now a democratic virtue, according to, yep, MoveOn; and according to the Politico, sweeping aside, or under the rug, years of immensely impeachable, extraordinarily indictable high crimes and misdemeanors is little more than an "ideological sacrifice."

Just who's kidding who here? These are crimes we're talking about -- war crimes, Constitutional crimes, crimes against "the people," crimes against the world, crimes, simply put, against humanity. And it's a trifle more than an "ideological sacrifice" or democratic virtue to now neglect the prosecution of those crimes; indeed that would be an unpardonable crime itself.

I'm not suggesting we pursue some animalistic joy of revenge. In fact, revenge has nothing to do with it. This is national self-preservation I'm talking about. For if we permit the Bush administration's darkest luminaries to walk away legally unscathed, we are inviting more of the same. And that "more" will return to haunt us in exponential spades.

Roughly a year and a half ago Bill Moyers invited the Nation's liberal John Nichols and conservative attorney Bruce Fein onto his show. The result (transcript here) was perhaps the most riveting and critically important broadcast in the history of public television.

Said Nichols:

On January 20th, 2009, if George Bush and Dick Cheney are not appropriately held to account this administration will hand off [an executive] toolbox with more powers than any president has ever had, more powers than the founders could have imagined. And that box may be handed to Hillary Clinton or it may be handed to Mitt Romney or Barack Obama or someone else. But whoever gets it, one of the things we know about power is that people don't give away the tools. They don't give them up. The only way we take tools out of that box is if we sanction George Bush and Dick Cheney now and say the next president cannot govern as these men have….

We ought to be discussing impeachment … not because of George Bush and Dick Cheney but because we are establishing a presidency that does not respect the rule of law. And people, Americans, are rightly frightened by that. Their fear is the fear of the founders.

Said Fein:

[Bush] has claimed the authority to tell Congress they don't have any right to know what he's doing with relation to spying on American citizens, using that information in any way that he wants in contradiction to a federal statute called the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. He's claimed authority to say he can kidnap people, throw them into dungeons abroad, dump them out into Siberia without any political or legal accountability. These are standards that are totally anathema to a democratic society devoted to the rule of law….

[T]he founding fathers expected an executive to try to overreach and expected the executive would be hampered and curtailed by the legislative branch…. [Yet Congress has] basically renounced -- walked away from their responsibility to oversee and check…. And when you abandon that process, you abandon the ship of state basically and it's going to capsize.

None of that was vengeful or "ideological." It was, rather, profoundly pragmatic while faithfully Constitutional and forward-looking.

George W. Bush et al. paved the road to our destruction. If they are not held accountable, it is we who will have summoned our own demise.

 

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THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter




Rename them MoveIn.arrrrgh!

I have long since, given up on MoveIn.arrrgh!. They have chosen the path of acceptance rather than the path of resistance. It seems almost as if they are a construct of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), given that they emerged from the Bill Cloneton (Mr. DLC)era, and never were really willing to take on the truly important and difficult issues. MoveIn was great at getting hundreds of people to make goofy video feel-good "commercials" that pecked at Bush. But they never were willing to go out on a limb against the war, against the many impeachable Bush offenses, or against the stick-in-the-mud Democratic "leaders", like Nancy Pelosivich or "Give 'em everything they want" Harry Reid. With leaders like those, who needs Republicans? MoveIn decided to go along to get along. That's not movement. I must say, while I have given up on MoveIN.Arrrgh, I am now afraid our new messiah is just like the old one (Cloneton). So far it looks like a Cloneton redux, and as I read Obama's web site plans for National Defense, Iraq, the Economy, Health Care, et al, I don't really find much there that looks like "change I can believe in". I hope against hope, that he will have a come-to-FDR moment, and begin to see that the strength of our nation, its security, and its economy depends entirely on we the people, and not on they the DLC politicians with their worn out ideas for stimulating the economy by making the rich ever so much richer, and giving the rest of us $500 in hush money as a stimulus. FDR would roll in his grave. May the goddess help us.

M O's Unwillingness To Look At Itself

The priorities party completely misses the point. Move On needs to take a look at its own strategies if it is to be the force it fancies itself to be, the force it might really be. I have on a couple of occasions written in to ask why the organization's brain trust does not use its considerable resources to fashion a media strategy to counter the predations & derelictions of corporatwist media operatives. Not so much as a word by way of an answer or reponse. I first did this on the heels of the poorly conceived, ultimately invertebrate Petraeus campaign, the one where M O was keelhauled by Congress, only to slink off afterwards. I pointed out that there is something to be learned from the techniques of the so-called Right over the last forty years in the lockstep delivery of its xenophobic message. That this claque is in disarray now reflects its utter inability-if-not-unwillingness to govern. But the message still intrudes, protrudes. Fox still panders to the get-a-life crowd amongst us. There's still reason for concern if one has aspirations for some semblence of legitimate justice in & around governance as it will unfold again. Especially in the galling unwillingness of much of media as it is to report on issues of profound consequence, none more so than the complicit nature of the two parties in the immorality of much of the last eight years. And Move On won't look inward before looking outward.

Move On stacked the dice in its survey

There were at least two topics that de facto involved Bush/Cheney junta accountability. The wording of the choices split the vote, so that accountability was derailed. What does this tell you about Move On? They roll over just like the Democrats have done for the Republicans for eight years. That's because these two group are really the same party, the left and right wings of the Capitalist party, both fully dependent on and supportive of expansionary and imperialistic policies.

Accountability

Until the Bush administration is held accountable in some way, I will not feel closure of the past eight years. It will always bother me that people who committed crimes that the whole country is now aware of are going to walk away unfettered by the truth. As for MOVE ON and the vote for the four most pressing problems that need to be solved, they were legitimate concerns. I hope that it doesn't mean that any fight for justice is forgotten based on their survey. MOVE ON should not be limited from new initiatives that pursue justice for criminal or treasonous behavior. I am still seething over the fact that Karl Rove is getting away with showing contempt for Congress.

The next George Bush who comes along...

...will pick up right where the first one left off. The Busheviks have tried to whitewash the catastrophe of eight years of failure in every area of American life; they have not succeeded. While history will document this failure, it will also document a more grievous disaster,the failure of the democratic congress and the incoming president to answer Bush's crimes. It's a fatal mistake and THE key chapter in the downfall of our republic.

MoveOn's priorities...

fahma says: I also particiated in the Poll; my #1 priority is to ensure we legally count every legal vote; everything else comes after, including hanging traitors and then putting their corpses on trial.

Seriously: OUR Congress should have at least begun the Impeachment Process, so we could have seen who are not following their Oaths of Office and who are supporting OUR Constitution.

Interesting, too, that I've never donated to any of the Progressive or Liberal Org's because 1) there are too many Org's asking for money,
2) who knows where the money really goes, and
3) what is the Org's real mission

I think most Orgs have an "Executive Director", often an Attorney, one who is paid with donations, but the Volunteers do an awful lot of the work for nuttin'.

So Did I!

I voted the same for my #1 Priority. Without election integrity, what else matters? We MUST get rid of the GOP corporate-controlled electronic voting machines immediately, and have strict, universal voting laws, or this country is on its way down the drain, and NOTHING ELSE WILL MATTER!!! I remember when MoveOn was pushing for NJ Congressman Pallone's "Paper Trail" Bill. Of course, trying to fashion a contraption for recording a "Paper Trail" on the easily manipulated electronic voting machines is ludicrous! If one can manipulate the source code on the machine, the paper trail is useless. What is needed is universally witnessed hand counted paper ballots. If we don't get that soon, we are done for as a nation! * My other priorities were for restoring the Constitution, by ending spying, and for punishing those who have led us in the most undemocratic administration this country has ever known. I figured that the health care and other priorities, which were campaign promises by President Obama, would be taken care of by him. * I think that MoveOn's credibility is already done for, by this undemocratic member poll.

MoveOn's vote was rigged

The options MoveOn presented were structured to split the vote between Restoring Constitutional Rights and Holding the Bush regime responsible. Anyone who believed, as I do, that our Constitutional Rights have been eroded and in the rule of law could vote for one or the other but not both. Hence, the vote was split.

MoveOn = Rigged Polls

MoveOn has a long history of rigging polls to provide political cover to corporate Democrats. They've used polls with biased questions and polls accompanied by arguments for only one side. I quit MoveOn when they ran a snap poll to support funding the Iraq War on the day that all of us progressives were out in the streets protesting against the Iraq War.

ridiculous

I think it is absolutely ridiculous to think that the Office of the President of the United States and Congress should "focus" on 4 important domestic items. To think that there is not enough resources and brain power within any organization to tackle more than 4 important issues at a time, is assinine. This is the highest office in the land, with lots of resources. This country and our policies have become a farce, where everything has to be broken down into bullet points and 30 second sound bites so we can chew it up and gulp it down and not question what lies underneath the bullet point. If the DOJ does not pursue the war criminals that are residing in own own country, how can we expect the rest of the world to take us seriously when it comes to the rule of law? The last administration used the Constitution as its butt rag, while the Congress shrugged its shoulders. Nixon only had people break into an office, GWB has had people "rendered". And not just foriegners, but American citizens and you hand holding, kum by ya singing idiots want to "move on"? What a farce!!! Is this country based on the economy or the Constitution? This country can survive in a bad economy, but will it survive as our founding fathers imagined, if the rule of law and the Constitution is ignored. I don't think so.

Accountability

For some reason Maslow's hierarchy of needs comes to mind.

Accountability

The best way to hold the Bush administration responsible is for the incoming Obama administration officially to repudiate torture. I think we lost our national soul by permitting, even promoting torture. However, it doesn't follow that there is a straightforward way to hold the Bush administration legally accountable. How can you impeach officials not in office?

Here's a paragraph from a review in the current (Jan 15 09) issue of the New York Review of Books by David Cole of the Georgetown University Law Center.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22232
"Criminal prosecution within or outside the United States is highly unlikely. At home, the Justice Department's "torture memo" would be a legal defense for any but the lawyers who wrote it, and Congress, in the Military Commissions Act, granted retrospective immunity to officials involved in the interrogation of al-Qaeda suspects in the wake of September 11. The latter immunity, Sands points out,[Torture Team: Rumsfeld's Memo and the Betrayal of American Values
by Philippe Sands, Palgrave Macmillan, 254 pp., $26.95] actually makes US officials more susceptible to prosecution overseas, because it removes a major impediment to international prosecution—namely, the principle that universal jurisdiction should not be exercised as long as domestic remedies are available. Still, as a matter of realpolitik, it is difficult to imagine any nation greeting the Obama administration with an international prosecution of former high-level US officials."

No need to rake the MoveOn membership over the coals because collectively they are focused on more achievable political goals. Indeed, why should MoveOn be on a "battlefield?"

Colleen Clark
Cambridge, MA

Accountability

I agree 100% with what you say here. I participated in the MoveOn poll and I voted as number one the need to try the Bush crime family et al for war crimes but as you see it didn't make it. The poplular position amoungst most seems to take the "high road' and move forwarded but not addressing the war crimes of this administration is just putting a stamp of approval on their crimes and saying to the world that America is above international law. If Americans don't go after Bush et al then I hope somewhere in the civilized world some court of law has the integrety to do so. Obama doesn't want his administrationn "sidetracked" by directly addressing this issue but I don't believe there's a more important issue for him, even in light of our economic condition, then to strengthen our standing in the world and to strengthen our democratic foundation back to what our founding fathers fought to establish. We all must do our part to make Obama listen to this position and make it a priority to bring Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzalas and the rest to trial for war crimes.

I Participated in MoveOn's Survey for That, P.M.

and it was the choice of MoveOn's membership (of which I'm a member) not to go after The Traitors Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez et al - but to focus on the economy and the environment. This is, sadly, what happens when you turn "Where does the movement go from here?" into POLITICAL IDOL.... :(

Those certainly weren't what I voted for, but I could see that my choices of punishing Right Wing Traitors, tossing out Bush judges and Do(i)J lawyers, restoring civil liberties and promoting gay rights were hugely outvoted - because nobody really cares even among so-called "Progressives", and would rather live in swaddling slavery than scary-scary Freedom.

Vox populi, vox humbug.

MoveOn

MoveOn became a shill for the Obama campaign, disregarding a lot of evidence that Obama was a canny Chicago politician, not a progressive candidate. Add to that the impossibility of moving Congress to impeach and hold any member of the Bush administration accountable for the many abuses of power and my suspicion that Obama has plans for the Imperial Presidency - all in the name of change, to be sure - it came as no surprise to me that MoveOn decided as a group not to have accountability as a priority. The anticipated pardons by Bush of Bush and his cronies also make it less of a goal to try to hold them accountable. Generally, you need to have been convicted or admitted to a crime to receive a pardon, one reason Cheney has been vocal about his crimes of late. War crimes are still doable in international law, and an indictment in an international or other country court may severely limit the Bushies' ability to travel abroad. So justice may yet come to them. Buzzflash has tried to make money off the Obama campaign and victory, so your neutrality is quite suspicious now.

Power Corrupts

"Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely." I forget who said it originally & this is pretty much a paraphrase. Nevertheless, it is true. Now we will have to wait & see how Pres. Obama operates.

Blame It on GOP's Cheapening of Impeachment Process in 1999

The time is long past due for P.M. Carpernter and other advocates of impeachment against Bush and Cheney to accept reality that impeachment was NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN! There's a REASON why the call for impeachment of Bush and Cheney failed to go anywhere. It's the SAME reason that ONLY in a COURT OF LAW will we ever see Bush and Co. brought to account. That reason is the fact that the Republican Party CHEAPENED the impeachment process to the point that they rendered it totally useless. How? By using the impeachment process as a purely partisan tool in their failed bid to oust Bill Clinton from office in 1999 for actions that had absolutely nothing to do with his job as president of the United States. They tried to remove Clinton from office solely based on his personal peccadilloes with Monica Lewinsky, NOT over any abuse of power, war crimes, and total disregard of the Constitution. There's also the cannot-be-ignored fact that the Democrats LACKED THE VOTES in the Senate to convict Bush and Cheney and remove them from office. With a 50-50-split, the Senate Republicans could successfully FILIBUSTER TO DEATH any attepmt to remove Bush and Cheney from office. It is, therefore, a colossal waste of time and energy to keep calling for something that will never happen: Bush and Cheney's impeachment. Especially since both are less than a month away from being constitutionally term-limited out of office anyway. The ONLY WAY Bush and Cheney will ever be held accountable is through THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM! Bush and Cheney must be indicted by grand juries and tried in a court of law. Their executive immunity from prosecution EXPIRES when they leave office. And neither expects Barack Obama to pardon them, either (By law, they CAN'T pardon themselves). There's another reason to favor prosecution in court over impeachment: Courts have one power that Congress doesn't have: They can put Bush and Cheney away in PRISON.

Moveon is showing that they

Moveon is showing that they understand whats important. If the economy does not bounce back by the next election the Dems could very likely suffer a big defeat at the polls and once again the evil repubs could start screwing everything up like they have for the past 8 years. Sure we should go after criminals in the Bush admin but number one priority is the economy or the repubs will end up back in the drivers seat.

Yes, again...

Yes, again, let's strangle down Congress to hold the thugs accountable and spend countless more taxpayer money to hold meetings and discussions while people die without health care and the war goes on. Let's just move on and be thankful that there is a change coming. Giving up? No, just a realist. Remember, over half of this country re-elected these idiots.

Oaths

“Put more trust in nobility of character than in an oath” Anonymous There is something unsatisfying about this quote, yet it pretty well states the attitudes of many Obama supporters regarding the president elect. To them I would just say: a man who freely takes an oath before his god, with his hand on the holy book of that god, before the whole world, but with no intention of keeping that oath, has revealed all that needs to be known about his character.

MoveOn's retreat

You commented that Congress is supposed to act as the check and balance to executive overreach. The behavior of Congress has demonstrated what we already know - we have stopped being a representative democracy. Before we can expect Congress to do it's job, we have to deliver the message that we aren't going to allow anything less. MoveOn, and the rest of us, should be holding members of Congress responsible for what they have failed to do. We need to dump Reid, Pelosi and a dozen others to encourage the rest of them.

Right On! Make Congress accountable to the US Constitution

Great comment!