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The Obama-Warren humbug endures

THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

I was a trifle reluctant to revisit the Obama-Warren uproar so soon -- after all, progressives still have nearly another month to squabble, splinter and self-destruct over this issue -- but yesterday a conspiracy of events intervened.

First, I happened to see Joe Lowery on "Hardball" last night. Lowery will be the benedictory speaker at Obama's inauguration; he's a solid liberal and of course veteran civil-rights leader whom many progressives have hailed as a nice and necessary counterbalance to the unwanted invocation of the semi-reactionary Rick Warren.

Yet what Lowery had to say must surely have disappointed. For starters, he supports civil unions but not gay marriage (I do, by the way, having always regarded the latter much as Jefferson did Free Thought: "It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my legs"), and then added with no minor bewilderment that Obama's invitation to Warren was merely a fulfillment of his campaign promise to "reach across the divide."

Lowery made no secret of his philosophical and policy differences with Warren, some of them profound, but noted, simply and with a further air of consternation: "That doesn’t stop me from being on a program with him." Tsk-tsk, Mr. Lowery, that kind of Obamian pragmatism could very well get you banned from next year's progressives' Christmas party for the ideologically pure.

Second, just prior to seeing Lowery unload a bit on MSNBC I had read Adam Nagourney's NYT piece, "For Now, Obama Proves to be Elusive Target for GOP." In it, Nagourney led with the painfully obvious:

Two months after Barack Obama’s election, Republicans are struggling to figure out how -- or even whether -- to challenge or criticize him as he prepares to assume the presidency….

He has defied attempts to be framed ideologically. His cabinet picks have won wide praise. An effort by the Republican National Committee to link Mr. Obama to the unfolding scandal involving Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich … was dismissed by no less a figure than Senator John McCain….

The toughest criticism of Mr. Obama during this period -- in fact, the only real criticism of Mr. Obama during this period -- has come not from the right but from the left, primarily over his selection of Rick Warren, a leading opponent of gay marriage, to deliver the invocation on Inauguration Day.

Hence the GOP's Napoleonic strategy of leaving one's enemies to their own means of destruction. Just stand back and let the left eat him alive, is the right's attitude for now, and one must admit it's a rather sensible one. In fact, it's a historically reliable one.

Third, prior to reading Nagourney I had read E.J. Dionne's "A Gamble for Obama," in which was evident an almost inexpressible frustration with his own ilk.

One need not be too pious about any of this [pleaded Dionne]. Both Warren and Obama are shrewd leaders who sense where the political winds are blowing….

In a recent interview with … Beliefnet.com, Warren … called upon evangelicals to be "the social change leaders in our society" engaged with "poverty and disease and charity and social justice and racial justice."

Obama wants to encourage this move, which would be good for him and good for progressive politics….

Although I support same-sex marriage, I think that liberals should welcome Obama's success in causing so much consternation on the right [and not merely the right, as noted]. On balance, inviting Warren opens more doors than it closes….

Dionne's piece in particular reminded me of Lincoln's problems with the "progressives" of his own era -- abolitionists -- who were livid with his emancipating procrastinations. Abolition now, they demanded early in the war; no dallying because even temporary compromise with evil is unconscionable.

Yet had Lincoln shared their attitude, he likely would have lost the war and Southern African Americans would therefore have remained enslaved for many more years to come. It was politics that restrained Lincoln -- managing all the assorted and difficult factions, timing his moves judiciously, luring the tentative opposition and momentarily rebuffing "progressive" demands so that his entire coalition assembled to win the war wouldn't collapse.

And need I remind you, history has been kind to Abe's patient and politically pragmatic ways.

But what's more, the Obama-Warren brouhaha is a development quite fundamental to the future of progressive politics. That is, if progressives intend on behaving like their reactionary counterparts by fleeing in horror at every pragmatic conciliation which naturally fails to pass ideological muster, then they should abandon the self-referential term, "progressive" -- because only pragmatism translates into progress.

"[L]iberals … need to come to terms with what it means to build a durable majority," wrote the eminently sensible E.J. Dionne. And their shortsighted devaluation of political pragmatism isn't one of those terms.

Now, finally, Merry Christmas -- a portion of which I'll spend reading my hate mail.

 

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THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter




Rick Warren

Although what you say in the ultimate sense may be true (and the key word here is ultimate) Turning the other cheek is a high spiritual development in a human being no doubt. But can you blame the people of the left to much for their hostility after 8 years of Bush and the Pharisee hypocrites that support him? I hope some day I can with a pure heart turn the other cheek too, but for now it is not in me and the selection of Rick Warren to me feels like a slap in the face and I'm not even gay, and don't forget all the dead and maimed that are much of a result of the warmongering religious right. I believe on an intellectual level what Gandhi said about and eye for an eye and the whole world will go blind, as do many people of the political and religious left do. But don't expect us to feel that at a deep level to soon. We have been through to much Ray Vogelpohl

Wright and Warren, now Lowery

The President-elect seems to have a pastor problem, first inviting brickbats from the right, now brickbats from the left. At the root of the problem seems to be a blind spot on the issue of the proper relationship between church and state, politics and religion.

One would hope that Obama would seize the moment, think through the issues, and come up with one of his stemwinder speeches that turns a divisive debate into an opportunity for education, his not less than ours.

It is the Pastor Wright

It is the Pastor Wright episode recapitulated, but with different political alignments, and with a pastor who, I imagine, is less likely to make an ass of himself on purpose.

Well, dick Warren does imply, "God Damn the Gays!"

At least Rev Wright spoke against the true evils of U.S. imperialism and genocide with justified self (W)righteous anger.

dick Warren uses fear mongering and religious fanaticism to take away the constitutional rights of gays.

How is that not making an ass out of himself?

The Humbug Won't Endure

Being progressive doesn't preclude one from protesting. Being pragmatic is what Obama is doing. He's doing his job the way he thinks will work. We can still protest and voice our opinions. (We've been away from the democratic process so long we've forgotten it.) This brouhaha will blow through. Meanwhile, watch the Right scramble and dissemble. It's much more entertaining..

Being Progressive IS Being Critical of ALL Politicians!

Carpenter says, '...if progressives intend on behaving like their reactionary counterparts by fleeing in horror at every pragmatic conciliation which naturally fails to pass ideological muster, then they should abandon the self-referential term, "progressive" -- because only pragmatism translates into progress.'

Are you saying, shut up because we have a Democrat in office?
Don't criticize the president because he is a Democrat?
It's OK because a Democrat does it?
The ends justify the means?
It's a strategic political thing, you wouldn't understand so don't criticize what you don't know?
Trust us, we know what we are doing better than you do?

If you answered yes to any of those questions, then congratulations, you have a mindset exactly like our reactionary counterparts who have destroyed our country over the past eight long years.

Warren deserves intense criticism and so does Obama for choosing that fraud to give the invocation.

First of all, Warren is divisive and hateful, and thus is not a true Christian. He teaches hate, not love. If he can't walk with the gays, then he can't walk with Jesus either because Jesus DOES walk with the gays.

Second, it's not what Warren believes that counts. What is important here is Warren actively seeks to limit the Constitutional Rights of gays, simply because they are gay.

This kind of behavior is un-American and has no business being officially sanctioned by the President of the U.S.

This is a sectarian nation. We do not seek legal guidance from the Bible, any other religious text or any religious authority.

As an employee of WE THE PEOPLE Obama took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. He is not abiding by that oath when he invites an un-American hate filled religious fanatic like Warren to give the invocation.

Democracy is participatory. To reject Warren and register our dissatisfaction with the President Elect is not reactionary, it is practicing good citizenship. Democratic participatory behavior should be encouraged, not scorned and criticized.

After all, WE THE PEOPLE are the E. Pluribus Unum sovereign legal and legislative authority in the U.S. OUR employees in OUR government just represent US through OUR consent, which Constitutionally, WE can remove any time WE want.

WE are the boss of them, they are not the boss of US. Collectively, WE THE PEOPLE can do anything WE want, OUR employees must do everything WE say.

Would it be PRAGMATIC to invite a Klansman to speak?

. It is pragmatic to bring people who support different views on an issue to a table for discussion and policy development. Agreed. But offering up a position of honor to a known hard-core bigot and anti-gay rights activists is hardly pragmatic. It hurts and possibly alienates people who have helped you, accomplishes nothing regarding policy changes, and feeds the egos of bigots who will never support gay rights (or Obama, for that matter). Tell me something, please. In this alleged spirit of reaching out and pragmatism, why has Obama not invited a KKK member to speak, or a white supremacist, or someone (there are still a few out there) who believes in racial segregation and separate but equal? Hey, it would just be a symbolic gesture of reaching out", right? "Reaching out" and "inclusiveness" and yes, "pragmatism", must, at some point, have boundaries defined by principles. There will be no KKK member speaking in a place of honor at the inauguration because Obama reject the notions of racial bigotry and segregation they espouse. He claims he similarly rejects the notions of bigotry and denial of civil rights to gays that Warrem espouses. It is therefore, IMO, at best inconsistent and at worst hypocritical for Obama to invite Warren and refuse to invite a Klansman. True pragmatism recognizes when compromise will be effective. It also recognizes when compromise is inappropriate and must be trumped by principle.

No takers. How about it, PM?

How would it not be equally "pragmatic" for Obama to invite a Klansman to speak at the inauguration? Sasha and Melia might be uncomfortable, just like thousands of young gay people will be watching this bigot take a place of honor at an historic moment.

Obama-Warren humbug

Great column, PM. And you are so right, progressives have NEVER been interested in pragmatism. Their moral outrage fuels and informs their positions and yes, they morph into their right-wing counterparts as soon as they get the opportunity. This particular humbug though seems particularly pathetic to me right now because behind it resides the notion that a President of the United States SHOULD challenge all the churches and punish them, by exclusion, because his progressive constituents want to receive the blessings of religious sacrament. They seem to believe that only by receiving these blessings will they attain legitimacy as full and complete human beings. It isn't enough for them to be receiving the state sanctioned authentication of their relationships, i.e. civil unions. For them to be consistent, they would have to object to any mainstream preacher participating in the inaugeration for the Methodists, the Baptists, the Presbyterians, the Catholics, etc. etc. ALL have no room at the inn for gays. Obama's selection of Warren does NOT mean he endorses this historical hatred. If that were so, it wouldn't matter at all which preacher he selected: they ALL have the same philosophy. Progressives would do well to be progessive enough to separate their spiritual need for acceptance from their legal, civil rights of citizenship.

As For Why Rev. Lowery May Be in Hot Water....

So the great Negro Civil Rights leader, a man who went to jail over "Separate But Equal" for Blacks, thinks "Separate But Equal" is just fine for gays ...?

separate but equal is NOT a fair analogy

While I support the rights of gays to marry - with all the rights and responsibilities attached to the institution that heterosexual couples both enjoy and endure - I cannot agree that the situation is analogous to segregation. The reason the concept of "separate but equal" was found to be unconstitutional is because segregation made the "equal" part impossible. IF gay couples are given the EXACT same rights as heterosexuals when they unite - it doesn't matter whether one calls it "marriage" or "civil union" or "peanut butter" for that matter. The rights go with the license - whatever the license is called - and therefor there is no "separate" to speak of. We're not talking schools and drinking fountains, here. We're talking rights and responsibilities - they are apples and oranges. Of course, the truth is, right now there is NO equal for gay couples and that is, of course, unfair.

Yes it is.

"separate but equal is not a fair analogy" Well, at this moment in time, it surely is. Civil unions bring only a fraction of the rights that come with civil marriage (over 3000). Of course the goal is to secure equal rights, and the emphasis ought not to be on what we call it, but the fact is, no civil unions in the states where they exist do that and they would always be in conflict with other states policies. A better solution is to make ALL civil marriages civil unions. With those unions would come ALL the legal rights now given by civil marriage. Give the term "marriage" to the religious institutionf for whom it carries such significance, and let them do with it what they will. This is a fair option. It sound as if it would work for you. Of course, it will never satisfy those whose objection goes beyond use of the word marriage, people who do not want gay people to have their rights under any name. These are the bigots who are using the "the word marriage is sacred" strategy as a red herring to veil their hatred and bigotry.

See your point, but...

Still have to disagree. The fact, is there are churches now that will marry gay couples - so religious marriages already exists for gays. The problem is that those marriages aren't recognized by most states. And, even if they are, the federal government doesn't recognize them for tax and benefit purposes. So, what we have now is UNEQUAL, period. My point was that the segregation analogy simply doesn't work for me because where marriage is concerned, separate COULD BE equal. Your point about civil marriage v. civil unions is merely one of semantics. The fact is the state ONLY recognizes civil marriage - not religious marriage - even if you're straight. If I get married in a church but fail to get a license - I'm not married in the eyes of the state. Likewise, if I get my marriage annulled by the Church and don't get a civil divorce, I'm still married, as far as the law is concerned. There is another solution to the equal protection question (which has yet to be tested at the federal level.) That would be simply to strip heterosexual couples of the rights and responsibilities that come with marriage, inherently. Couples would then have to write and sign contracts regarding property and benefits and nothing would be assumed by the state at all.

Not Necessarily Just Semantics

I agree with your statement that current marriages are "unequal in the eyes of the law". No same-sex marriages come with ALL the legal civil rights that come with civil "marriage". I don't understand your objection to my suggestion that all legal unions should be called civil unions (and should bring with them all legal and civil rights). The reason I suggest removing the word "marriage" and giving it to religious groups is that they have raised such fierce objections to using the term for same-sex couples. Let the have their claim to marriage". If ALL legal rights come with civil unions, then yes, it semantics, but if they bring anything less than complete legal rights, then the issue is more than semantics. I believe you and I are saying the same thing: that gay people should be given full legal rights when "united under civil law. We are just disagreeing about the term that should be used.

Your Holiday Empathy Is Truly - STUNNING, PM

In re your Jefferson statement: So what you're saying is - if it doesn't affect you personally, then it's unworthy of your regard? So I suppose women being raped in Darfur is insignificant, as are the nearly one million dead Iraqis as opposed to the 4,200 dead American servicepersonnel? And then, it would only follow that all those families forced out of their homes thanks to the subprime mortgage crisis will only affect you once you're homeless yourself...?

You know - I always believed that a large part of "progressivism" had something to do with, you know, empathy for people suffering in ways different than your own. In your case, though, clearly not....

To quote SOUTH PARK's Mr. Garrison, PM - "Merry Fucking Christmas To You!"