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McCain-Palin: A Really Dumb Choice By Some (Usually) Really Smart People

THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

Every four years we suffer this joke -- the one about some presidential candidate's yet-announced choice of a running mate, which is, to abuse Churchill a bit, little more than an easily guessable riddle wrapped in a largely empty mystery inside a who-gives-a-crap enigma.

And every fours years the media treat these announcements and all their accompanying "suspense" as the Second Coming of a second something or other, events worthy of fevered speculation and total journalistic immersion.

But this time -- yesterday -- it was worth the wait, the hoopla, the overkill, and in retrospect the suspense was stunningly real and I loved the joke of the outcome. Because John McCain's running-mate decision was just about as un-guessably dumb as a running-mate decision can get.

To argue that it was colossally cynical is of course a waste of good argument, because what has the GOP in general done in 40 years or John McCain specifically in four months that wasn't cynical? It's what defines them.

So to observe that McCain's choice of a wholly unqualified, platitude-studded, beauty-queen bürgermeister was in part a naked grab for Hillary Clinton's supporters would be tantamount to boldly observing that meerkats are cute.

No, what really grabbed was the political stupidity behind the pick, since that is decidedly not one of Republicanism's more common characteristics. And its dumbness easily transcended the mere incongruity of dangling an anti-choice, mooseburger-munching, wabbit-hunting, ethically questionable far-right Christian conservative as an alternative for long-time and reasonably progressive Democratic women.

What it did confirm is something I speculated about nearly a month ago but seemed too politically stupid and almost unbelievable at the time to entertain at great length.

The issue at hand was McCain's accelerating pace of attack politics and negative advertising in contravention of everything honorable he had promised in this campaign. It appeared to be a deliberate attempt to alienate from Obama, rather than attract to McCain, the independent middle:

Has the McCain camp decided to depress the independent vote through a dispiriting onslaught of negativity, rather than seek that vote as a positive, pro-McCain force? The question's corollary is, then: Does McCain now believe he can rally enough of the conservative base to be competitive in the forced absence of a large independent turnout?

That, at least, would explain the otherwise inexplicable -- why McCain has persisted in catering to the hard right in an election we all expected to be determined by the soft middle. Such a shift in strategy would also reflect the thinking of McCain's recent hires from the old Rovian crowd, which always was, and probably still is, convinced of the numerical power of its traditional base.

It now appears that was precisely McCain's strategy, in the process of unfolding.

Wanting, I guess, to relive the thrill of his maverick days, to hear the oohs and aahs in response to the most unconventional of leadership, McCain convinced himself he could successfully refight the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections by going back to the conventional well -- the well, that is, of playing nearly exclusively to the conservative base. The non-ideological middle be damned.

The problem, of course -- a really, really big problem -- for McCain this time around is that the conservative base since 2004 has shrunk by about 10 points while the Democratic base has grown by an equivalent amount. As political affiliations and sentiments go, the numbers simply are not there for a conservative presidential candidate to successfully run a conservative campaign -- especially in the catastrophic wake of the ultraconservative George W. Bush.

Clearly, however, McCain & Co. believes it can pull it off. It believes it can, through the execution of the nastiest, most negative campaigning ever, suppress the independent vote and sufficiently reacquire its traditional base through heavy-duty pandering by Sarah Palin.

But also nearly beyond argument is the one that would say, It won't work -- because the critical second factor in the equation above is the one that never works. Which is to say, voters don't vote for vice-presidential candidates. They vote for the top of the ticket. And in 2008, they -- the ones McCain is aiming for with Palin -- don’t particularly like the guy at the top of the ticket and more than a few are still likely to just stay home.

Palin's selection was a bizarre calculus by the McCain campaign. What we're hearing, and what we'll continue to hear from many quarters, is that it was, oh let's just say, "risky." In fact, it was stupid.

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THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter


Follow the money

Sarah Palin, by becoming John McCain's V.P. pick, helped the McCain campaign raise $47 million in August. Can we now please dispense with the term "family values"? The GOP obviously has none. Can we dispense with the "reformer" label? Alaska gets more "ear mark" money than any other state in the union. Sarah Palin is a gun-totin' member of the NRA, who is vehemently anti-abortion. James Dobson and Ralph Reed poured money into the campaign, after she was added to the ticket. That's the sole reason she was added to the ticket. She brings nothing else of value. First V.P. candidate I can recall who had to lawyer-up three days after her announcement, because of an ongoing ethics investigation. She's bringing in the money from the extreme right, who up to now were not enamored of John McCain.

sorry for posting in 2 places..... BUT THIS IS INSANE

i was looking for something strange..... OFF THE WALL.... crazy... something FROM THE ONION... like.... McCain picks WET T-SHIRT competition for his MILF wife as the candidate for VEEP. but that seemed UNBELIEVABLE... so i added.... lets make her a GUN TOTING, MOOSE CHEWING, FUNDI MOTHER living in the ALASKAN OUTBACK. Maybe give her NO EXPERIENCE and a VIDEO asking "so what does the VEEP do for a living"... as she leaves her trailer. AHHH... STILL NOT ENOUGH.... let's have her husband work for THE OIL INDUSTRY... and toss in a PREGO DAUGHTER... and SOME POLITICAL SCANDAL about ABUSE OF POWER.... -------------------------sadly.... i am still awaiting word that her brother is a crack-whore and that through a tracing of her family tree she is indeed HER OWN GRANDMA !!!! AS A DEMOCRAT.... I FINALLY HAVE PROOF THAT THERE IS A GOD ..........AND THAT SHE IS IN HEAVEN LAUGHING HER ASS OFF ! ! !! ! !

Reality Shows have morphed into Soap Opera

A 17 year old, daughter of a vice presidential nominee, is thrust into the national spotlight. An unwed mother. I don't know who I feel the most pity for. The daughter of Sarah Palin, or the American people who have had this irresponsible woman made part of our daily lives. Obviously, abstinence does not work. A mother who travels when eight months pregnant. A daughter who was never advised on birth control. Heaven help us all.

Remember the Dissection of every word by Reverend Wright?

Sam Smith, on his website "Progressive Review" has a link to "Palin's Pastors." http://harpers.org/archive/2008/08/hbc-90003486 Worth the time.

This whole thing is insane

Our elections are more and more resembling the reality shows on TV..wouldn't McCain, Palin and Cindy look good on "American Idol"..or "America's got Talent"...? Its frigging ridiculous!

PM, the Dems are always fighting the previous election...

PM, the Dems are always fighting the previous election... the BIG question in 2008, is "will Cheney and his vast apparatus of power even ALLOW us an election?" or, assuming our guy wins, "allow the free & full transfer of power?"

I remember well, in January of 1993, _wondering_ if Bush Sr. would hand over power to the Democratic electee who ousted him from office, and I know I wasn't the only one harboring doubts that January. But Bush Sr. took a deep breath (after pardoning all his minions) and stepped back from the reins of power.

This is 2008, and Cheney-Rove have stolen TWO presidential elections in a row, and have so completely cowed and corrupted the DC Democrats, that Nancy Pelosi pretends not to notice that KARL ROVE is IGNORING a congressional subpoena.

Let me repeat that (and pardon the shouting), NANCY PELOSI _PRETENDS_ NOT TO NOTICE that Karl Rove is IGNORING a Congressional SUBPOENA, if any of us tried that, we would be facing a visit from US marshalls in a New York minute.

As a result, Karl Rove is free to GO TO GEORGIA to STOKE UP A WAR there - followed or preceded by Georgia lobbyist and McCain advisor Randy Scheuneman, Condi Rice, and Cheney himself.

Cheney has been controlling BILLIONS of dollars of "BLACK" (off-the-books) funding from CIA and DOD coffers for eight years now, and the DC Democrats tremble in fear and can only say "YES, SIR!" when Cheney stirs up some new mishief.

With two full months before the election, and two full months after the election, Cheney and Rove have a HUGE blank canvas to provoke, instigate, or start a few more wars, and enact a Pinochet coup right here in America.

It's not like Reid, Pelosi, Hoyer, Rockefeller & co. would try to stand up for the constitution or anything... they haven't up to now, they are practically CHEERLEADERS for Rove & Cheney.

Governor Palin

A woman in Ft. Bend County, Texas has a website, I dearly love. (We are all hurricane watching down here.) But, she had time to post a link called "The Best" to a blogger, who managed to find the Vogue magazine cover, which features Governor, and possible future Vice President Palin. You can find the website at http:///www.kissmybigbluebutt.com Click on the link for today, August 30, which says "The best." And, prepare yourself.

Am I nuts?

I think that Rove along with McCain's closest advisors, realize their war hero could not last for four years at the helm. They pick a Palin, an obviously unqualified Woman, but with the totally right 'values', to be his runningmate. They could possibly pull it off considering the ill informed, anti intellectual, racist, daddy needing electorate. Then, McCain is deemed medically unfit to continue. Riding to the rescue of this damsel would come a Cheney clone, dedicated to continuing the facsist regime. It would be the coup of all coups, an almost seamless transition, legal, lethal and the only wet dream that will keep Cheney & co in power for the ages. Nothing seems to nuts for me, especially at this point in our weird history.

"I've taken on the oil industry"

...yeah, the way the Debbie has taken on Dallas! True to form for any successful Alaska politician these days, Palin is a loyal shill for the oil industry, already carping on the right-wing talk shows (e.g. Glen Beck) about how unfair it is that Alaska is "not allowed" to tap its vast reserves of oil, which belies the fact that 90% of the area of those known reserves is already open for drilling (but they'll never be satisfied until it's 100%). And of course it's the "extreme" environmentalists who have this power to thwart the common-sensical "drill, drill, drill" agenda, so naturally she is suing one of those extremists right now--none other than the granola-crunching, tree-hugging, former Idaho governor and current Interior Secy. Dirk Kempthorne--for listing the polar bear as threatened. Even the right-wing Bush administration is too liberal for this scary choice of VEEP, who is also an avowed young-Earth Creationist and anti-contraception. If PUMAs vote for her and McBush, then we'll know they were never really Hillary supporters.

other reasons for Palin pick:

1. It is possible that NONE of the serious candidates he vetted were clean or even more likely, that NONE offered any help with swing voters in inside polls and focus groups. Mitt Romney might seem respectable graded on a Republican curve, but to swing voters and Democrats, he looks just like the guy who fired you and repossessed your house, a soulless suit.

2. Gives them a plausible excuse to claim they won the vote in November even when they lose in pre-election polls and exit polls. They can claim that like the "reluctant republicans" who wouldn't answer pollsters questions in 2004, PUMAs who voted for McCain and his female VP would be even more reluctant to tell pollsters they crossed parties lines. The fact few Democrats will actually cross party lines for something so silly is immaterial.

Professorsmartass.com

Dumb?

First of all McCain did not choose Palin. The old codger desperately wanted his old pal Lieberman and if not him Ridge. The problem for McCain is that he is a loser. Karl Rove of course knows this and convinced McCain to accept Palin in order to energize the Huckabee wing of the Repug Party. Rove has had 8 years to prepare to steal this election just like he had 4 years to steal the last one but he must keep the polls reasonably close. The biggest fear of the McCain campaign is that Obama opens up such a big lead that Rove won't be able to fudge that large of a margin. The over-arching strategy is an attempt to always blunt any momentum Obama may be building. The Palin pick succeeded in making THE SPEECH not even a full day news cycle event. Energize the base, that is what Rove did against Kerry and that is what he is attempting and may very well succeed in doing by making this pick.

Smarts Alone Won't Win This Election

What will? A certain gut-feeling. About what? That it really is now or never.

Makes it even more interesting

How could this election have possibly become MORE interesting than it has in the last week? First, Obama ignores the nations largest voting block by NOT choosing the most obviously qualified VP candidate (Clinton) and, instead, choosing a long time white, male, Washington insider. On the heels of that move, McCain ignores the obviously most qualified candidate (Romney) and, instead, chooses to announce to the same largest voting block that Obama just ignored that he believes that a woman is more than capable of governing the country. In presidential politics, reality always takes a back seat to perception. And many perceptions have been turned on their head. Do not fall into the trap of believing that Biden will tear Palin apart in the upcoming VP deabte. Palin is a trained journalist and broadcaster who will be well versed and trained going into the debate. If she does well, it will lend tremendous credibility to the McCain/Palin ticket. If Biden does well, the answer is that it should be expected. And, all forbid should Biden come across as being condescending. This is truly the most interesting political campaign!!

Debates

Sarah Palin has much more executive experience than her running mate.

I agree that the VP debate will not be a slam dunk, but I don't think Biden has to hold back. If the GOP tries to paint him as condescending, he can reply, "You think Vladimir Putin is going to bring flowers and candy?" Whining is not a Presidential trait. Bring your brass knuckles, Joe.

Hillary tried to cop an "Iron Lady" posture, and it didn't work. I don't think "Miss Congeniality" will give voters a Commander-in-Chief vibe.

Anyway, this is probably McCain's high point, and Obama has the potential to gain continuously till the election, as he becomes better known and understood. The fear-smear campaign will lose potency, and people are already sick of McCain's war stories ("Yeah, John, we've heard that a hundred times, already!")

This wasn't a dumb move, though. Just like "Tire Guages" distracted attention from the breadth of Obama's energy policy, people are talking more about Palin than Obama at Invesco.

Your Paycheck

... is issued by whom?

JFlynn4, Question?

What do you get paid to post messages on this board? I get $2.00 a post.

What People Really Think

Sorry, guys, this is what people are really thinking. All the democratic party people in my family are turned off by Obama, mostly because of the way Clinton was treated by the party plus the condescending way that Obama supporters treated the people who supported all the other candidates. We didn't like being told the only reason we didn't get Obama was that we weren't smart or rich enough or that we must be racist. The convention was not enough to heal over that rift, and now even the Republicans have found a place in their ticket for a woman, even though the Democratic party could not. People are excited by the idea of Palin. When I read that lots of Democratic supporters actually laughed at the idea of Palin, I figured that was the nail in the coffin. Working class Democratic women and Independents are laughing, too, but mostly with excitement about actually having a woman on the ticket. If Obama expects to win outside the cities in Pennsylvania, there is going have to be some serious butt kissing and apologizing. There is a very serious misunderstanding of the amount of anger women have regarding the snubbing of Hillary Clinton and the amount of mistrust people have for Obama. I don't like the amorphous concept of "change", I just want things to get better, and with Obama, I'm just not seeing it happening yet.

BrittD, Question?

What do you get paid to post messages on this board? I get $2.00 a post.

McCain gives Obama all the ammo he needs to win

In one broad stroke Insane McCain gave Obama all the ammo he needs to win this election. For example this move shows the compulsive nature of McCain something one of his peers is quoted as saying the hot headed nature of McCain scares the hell out of this politician as far as him compulsively pulling the trigger on a nuclear attack. Palin is not only a political neophyte but also neanderthal in her political views so whatever female crossover vote she gets should not effect the outcome of this election. If the Dems want to go Rove on them, all they have to do to lose the religious nuts is find someone with reasonable credibility to confirm Palin likes sex and thats all she wrote. Half kidding here. McSame has gone for the inside straight and is looking like a sure loser at this time. All Obama and Biden have to do is load the new and old ammo against this goofy Repub ticket and shoot. I cant think of a more deserving target.

Palin is a perfect choice to continue Cheney's despicable legacy

and we should not take for granted that voters will get the information they need from the MSM to make an informed decision here. She is a nightmare dressed up as a middle class dream and apparently has very good skills in connecting with "regular" people in her home state. Anyone with any sense needs to take steps to get the word out to everyone they know about Palin. And any Hillary supporter who would even glance at her as a viable feminist candidate is hallucinating. Palin is the anti-Hillary: anti-choice, anti-environment, corrupt, gun-toting...well, we all get the picture. Hopefully McCain's move will motivate the real Hillary and her hubby to come out swinging, no holding back, against McCain, et.al. What can the rest of us do? We need to paint the picture clearly for those Americans who receive most of their "information" from the corporate media. Hit the ground running and keep on keepin' on!

Regular People

I live in Chicago. The number of people she 'connected' with in AK is LESS than the population of the North Side of Chicago. Indeed, there are twice to nearly 3 times more population in my city than the entire state of AK. AK is one of the REDDEST states of US. The reddest of the red voters installed her PTA-background a$$ into their state house. Her connection is to flat-earthers, those who have no problem with cognitive-dissonance, those who are heavily invested in oil, climate change deniers, and those who 'believe' that contraception is an abomination. If the ladies want to vote for her they can have her. You hear me Hillary-supporters? Her legacy will be the total and very vocal support to the overturning of Roe v. Wade. What a nice legacy to leave to your daughters!!!!

I disagree that this is a

I disagree that this is a dumb move politically, but I agree this is a dumb move for our country. From my perspective, she was the best choice for McCain; if you just want to win and energize the evangelicals and the right wing Republican base. Do not underestimate this move.

Paul Revere, Question?

What do you get paid to post on this message board, I get $2.00 a post?

Dumb as it may seem

Let us NOT underestimate this move. There is something there that I can't put my finger on just yet, but it is scary and ominous. Remember, folks: repiglicans don’t do things like that without a good reason. McCain is senile, and there are brains behind his back working overtime to screw the sheeple out of yet another chance to survive.

Palin may seem a dumb choice, but let’s prepare with all we have for the other shoe to drop. We’ve seen nothing yet. Be alert, be ready, be prepared.

Edward R. Murrow said,

"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves." Watch for an even bigger surprise from the Reps.-- like HSPD51 (martial law and suspending elections to remain in power.)

dumb as it may seem

Dick Cheney has turned the Office of Vice President into an unaccountable part of government that, he claims, does NOT belong to the Executive OR the Legislative branches of our government. He will not reveal how many people work for him, who they are, or what their salaries are. When he does permit them to testify before Congress, they exhibit the reprehensible contempt of refusing to answer questions in any meaningful way. He has garnered vast powers about which the public knows NOTHING. And, now, we are to believe that a neophyte politician from a small town in a remote state is going to step in and run that operation. Indeed, this is ominous. My flailing hope would be that the Dems use this as THE opportunity to go after Cheney and what he has done with that offfice. Shine the light on just WHAT this small town woman would actually be DOING. Don't compare her to Biden, compare her to Cheney.

Rivals in stupidity

An only slightly stupider pick than Biden.

Fascinating fact; More

Fascinating fact; More people watched Obama's acceptance speech than watched the opening ceremonies of the Olympics, the Oscar's or, and sit down for this one, the grande finale of American Idol.

Around 40 million viewers.

Hokey smoke Bullwinkle! People are paying attention!

You know what that means? People are going to watch Biden pick little pieces of Palin out of his teeth as he walks off the stage of the debates. (They probably have her listening to tapes in her sleep to catch up on what she doesn't know, which is just about everything of consequence.)

Just as they're going to watch Obama turn "I've gone to crazy-land" McCain into a foaming hemorrhage of unchecked fury. (Hmmm. They probably have him listening to tapes in his sleep also. Things like how many houses he owns, the difference between Shia and Sunni, what economics means, etc.)

The repubs are really going to have to dirty up the voting machine software this time around. No stealing by a sliver this time, methinks. They're heading for a train wreck that will feel so, so cathartic.

Her real constituency

Please do not forget that half the electorate's general knowledge and ability to think clearly is below average, which is not very high, and it will offend them to see one of their own bashed.

Our cerebral candidates biggest problem could be they are just too smart, and the Republicans again might win by offering up clear alternatives to that whom the muddled majority would rather embrace.

quousque, if intelligence is

quousque, if intelligence is really in such sad repute, and lord knows the Bushies have done everything in and out of reason to make it so, than all that's left is to liquidate your assets and apply for citizenship elsewhere.

However, as slow on the uptake as America tends to be (you know, as in opening the chute after the sudden stop), some stuff has filtered in the American mind.

Here's a promising anecdote: My wife and I teach in a working class, small former mill town in upstate NY. I mean, this is really where the chickens voted for Colonel Sanders the past two election cycles.

After 9/11, our middle school students came to school blathering mom and dad's knee jerk, kill 'em all "patriotism." That's slowly changed. Too many have relatives, fathers, mothers, neighbors, in the military. Extended tours. Stop-loss.

They're really sick of it. They know they've been dealt from the bottom of the deck.

That town is going to vote Dem in November.

Yes...Stupid!

I'm still waiting for the latest daily tracking polls to see what the public think of this pick. While in the past voters didn't really consider the VP pick, this year, with McCain turning 72 yesterday, should be different. To have a chance, he should have gone with the strongest person available (I don't know if the Repubs even have a strong pick.) in case he can't cope with the stress of the office. I don't want someone with their only international experience being 'living in a state close to the old USSR' being second in line to be POTUS.

Shock and Awe

McCain's version of shock and awe.