You gotta love it. It's too rich and amusing not to love.
For years, progressive writers have begged and badgered progressive politicians to get as down and dirty as the other guys, to really mix it up on the opposition's terms -- in short, to bobby-dazzle the masses with populist, bumper-sticker simplicity and wave the flag with equal fervor and sing saccharine paeans to Mom.
Then, once in office, they can think and act like progressives again. But first, they must win the bloody thing.
You know what I mean. You read it, and likely on at least a dozen progressive Web sites by scores of leading progressive writers. And you noticed its even greater intensity in the run-up to this presidential election, time and time again: We've got to get tough -- which is mostly to say, talk tough -- especially on national security issues, so as to flummox the Lee Atwaters and Karl Roves and Charlie Blacks for a change.
Fast forward to the present: These progressive writers finally have their wish -- a progressive pol who's no fool and possesses the grit and self-confidence to stare down the fearmongers by refusing to play the "weakness" card, especially right out of the gate, when he's still undefined in the easily spookable mind of the average American voter.
So what do these leading progressives then do? How is it they react? Why, of course, with an explosion of self-righteous indignation and reams of labored hand-wringing. Oh, dear, oh, dear, dear us, our guy is sounding just like one of their guys. Oh my. We best warn our readers.
And that's the rich, genuinely amusing part. I love it, not only for the comical irony of it all, but also because vast swaths of the progressive base probably know better.
This is the sort of naked, imitative pandering the base has wanted to see in one of its own for years -- the sort demanded of Al Gore and urged on John Kerry, but largely rebuffed by both.
Yet the base's "strategic" writers are now suddenly singing another tune, wreaking disharmony and discord across this baffled Republic.
It's gotten so bad -- the self-righteous disharmony, that is -- that last night a rather nervous Keith Olbermann invited Newsweek's Jonathan Alter on his program to proffer a kind of Progressive Politics 101. One could detect in Mr. Olbermann's delicate questioning a certain frustration: You explain it, Jon, so I don't have to slam the progressive-camp leadership with a venomous "Special Comment."
And Mr. Alter did, like he was teaching the alphabet to the prepubescently fussy.
OK, class, American voters don't like "weakness" in their leaders, you see. Especially low-information voters, said Alter; you know, the ones who will be pouring out to vote in November and haven't yet sized up the strengths or perceived weaknesses of Barack Obama.
So, see -- stay with me now, class, Alter continued -- the right will use legislation like the current FISA bill to portray the Democratic candidate as weak on terrorism, should he vote against it or support a filibuster of it.
Forget the friggin' telecom immunity provision -- which low-information voters could barely spell, let alone define as an issue -- for a moment and concentrate. For God's sake, concentrate, Alter was saying.
This is bigger, much bigger, than telecom immunity. This is about the next eight years and the singular alternative of George Bush squared, otherwise known as John S. McCain.
This is, to put it in its simplest form, nose-holding but necessary politics. Obama can clean up the welter of Constitutional apostasies bequeathed us by George Bush only if he first acquires office. That is the time for progressives to hold Obama's feet to the fire.
Is that cynical of me to say, a bit underhanded? You bet your progressive butt it is. It also wins elections.
Again, I sense that most progressives understand and appreciate this. But a lot of leading progressive writers sure in hell don't, however amusing their well-intended but rather befuddling self-righteousness might be.





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FISA
Let the Obama people know
Flood the inbox.
Can I borrow one...
I was aghast over his FISA
There was another way.
DLC
The DLC is there to sabotage Progressive attempts to block neocon subversion of the Constitution.
yes, yes, yes already!
Just say "no" to neocons
Neocons want Dims to vote for someone who will increase the size of the military, someone who will transfer hundreds of billions of dollars from working families to insurance CEOs, someone who will protect Cheney from prosecution, someone who voted for the Patriot Act, someone whose soul is owned by Wall Street, someone who will gleefully starve tens of millions of children so that his buddies can get more ethanol subsidies, someone who favors the death penalty for rapists, ...
In short, neocons want Dims to surrender and vote for a far-right wingnut.
And as usual, the DLC and some people who mistakenly believe themselves to be Progressive will surrender and do exactly what the neocons want. They will vote for Obama because he talks nice, which is precisely as dumb as voting for Dubya because he can fake a Texas accent.
Bone tired of weak Democrats...
Ayup, Aunt Sally
Here's a post I wrote on Rachel Maddow's blog, responding to David Bender arguing roughly the same point you did on her show last Friday night:
Don't be too busy playing politics to comprehend what the real problem is w/Obama's stance on the FISA bill vis a vis his election chances. What is a recurring Right-Wing meme on Democrats, that keeps on sticking even as Bush looks more and more like the traitor and coward we all know he is? It's that "Dems are opportunistic and have no backbone, and will bend in ANY direction if they can see a momentary advantage in it" - which is exactly how Hoyer, Pelosi and the House Dems who voted for the FISA Capitulation look right now. It doesn't make them look principled, or aware of anything other than (in the immortal words of William J. Lepetamine) "holdin' onto our phoney-baloney jobs!" - and sadly, Obama's "I'm opposed to the Telecom Immunity provision of this bill and will fight against it - but will vote for it anyway" looks like more of the same from the presumptive Democratic Presidential nominee.
The Repub's Master Strategy that gave them almost permanent control of Congress and the White House was to stand on NeoCon Christian Conservative "principle" over and over, come what may - win or lose, they kept voting against abortion and same-sex rights and checks on televangelists, and kept gaining adherents throughout the Seventies and Eighties. Even people who didn't necessarily agree w/the Repubs came to see them as "standing for something higher than themselves", while the Democrats tore themselves to shreds over what was perceived as niggling issues of political correctitude (just like the Jedi Knights in STAR WARS 1-3 did). That these issues were, in fact, fumbling attempts to ensure equitable treatment for ALL Americans got lost in the round-robin recriminations of Who Has Historically Had it Worse, when the truth is everybody who's not a Rich White Guy have ALL had it really really bad at the Rich White Guys' hands!
I had hopes that Barack Obama would put a unilateral halt to this by his politics of principled pragmatism - of realizing that the world is a seriously flawed place, but it's up to all of us whether we whine about it...or do our damnedest to change that. Unfortunately, his position on this FISA bill makes him appear neither pragmatic nor principled, but desperate and pandering in the way Hillary Clinton's votes for the Iraq and (forthcoming) Iran War, and for The PATRIOT Act (twice!) made her look when she ran for President.
I believe, firmly, that Obama needed to vote against the FISA bill, because even if he lost the vote, even if most Americans are so terrified of the Ay-rab Boogeyman that they will cheerfully flush their civil liberties down the toilet and Question the Patriotism of anyone who reminds them that's exactly what they're doing, what they will remember come Election Day is "That Barack Obama, he's - got principles, don't he? Of course he's wrong - but still...he's got principles, unlike McCain who keeps flip-flopping...Just Like Some Opportunistic Dem With No Backbone."
Selah.
The Choice
You have 2 choices
I agree
Nutmeg, the "weakness" is his flip-flopping on FISA
I like Obama for being pragmatic but principled - but I fail to see how caving on FISA and telecom immunity is either. I predict that this will come back to haunt him in the same way voting for the Iraq and Iran Wars came back to haunt Hillary - and this is very likely the vote that will cost him the 2008 election, b/c the one lesson the Right learned that the Dems have yet to is that in the end, what Jonathan Alter's "low-information voters" respect is strength and consistency.
I believe in him, tho
Of course we will support
Excellent point...
Of course not
I will never vote for a traitorous neocon - I don't care which party he belongs to. At this point in history, the Dims and Repugs are two wings of the fascist party. Neither deserves a vote or a donation.
The Democrats need to clean house - starting with the DLC and the party surrender-leaders. If they don't, more and more people will vote third party until eventually - perhaps years from now - the stinking mess of one-party corporate Washington is cleaned out.
Third party?
Will there be a "years from
Will there be a "years from now?"
I do so seriously have my doubts.
In my darker moments, I think that the only way to remedy our corrupt system is to start handing out the guns.
Hmmmm. Maybe that SCOTUS decision will come in handy....
Obama and FISA
Personally, I tend to trust Senator Obama's motives--and yes, we do have to get him into office to find out whether that trust was misplaced or not. And yes again, putting him in office will involve getting the votes of tens of millions of people who get all of their information from network news and anonymously sourced chain e-mails.
Still and all, progressives or not, we must keep our political eyes open to the allure of power--we must not be pollyannas who can see only the silver linings around the clouds. Politicians seek power, for good or for bad. While our Founders lived and died long before Lord Acton famously remarked that "power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely," they were clearly well versed in the concept and designed our whole system of government to counteract not the possibility, but the absolute certainty, that unchecked power will be sought after and abused once had.
But it's not just having power that corrupts, or enables the already corrupt--the mere prospect of acquiring power has the same effect. So--to the point--it's occurred to me that this Congress's failure to do anything serious about Mr. Bush's power grabbing has to do with wanting that unchecked power for themselves. Maybe at the outset of this Congress in 2006, they confronted a choice. First, they could take Mr. Bush down, necessarily weakening the Imperial Presidency in the process, then watch as the Republicans systematically exploited that weakness to hobble the new Democratic president as they hobbled Clinton. Or second, they could thank their lucky stars that the Republicans had entrusted their own attempted coup to a strutting, self-absorbed fool; bide their time without provoking a polarizing crisis; and wrest that power from his clumsy grip intact.
Can we trust them with that power? Of course not. Nobody can be trusted with it--not you, not me. On the other hand, if they succeed, there's always the hope that they will use the power to hammer progressive policies into place unimpeded by Republican obstructionism--perhaps to bury the Republican dragon once and for all. Bill Clinton, after all, was very possibly as corrupt an individual as George W. Bush--but he actually played the game with an eye toward policy and effective government, whereas for Mr. Bush power is an end in itself.
If the Democrats do have their eye on that unchecked power, and do manage to acquire it, perhaps there will be some red meat thrown to the citizens. I have to admit that it would be fun to watch Mr. Bush, in shackles, loaded aboard a rendition flight for Syria or the Balkans--while his own legal rationales for the power to put him on that plane are read aloud. It would be fun to watch an exhausted and disheveled Ann Coulter struggling to keep her baggy inmate's pants up as she defended cheerleading the deaths of 4,000 American soldiers before a military tribunal, never to be informed of the specific charges or evidence against her--each session to be introduced with one of her own columns urging exactly that kind of justice on others.
Sooner or later, though, red meat or no red meat, the purpose of that power would turn out to be what it's always been: first, perpetuating and expanding itself, and second, working to benefit its possessors. At that point, it doesn't matter whether the power belongs to "Republicans" or "Democrats," or even whether the system of government be "democracy," fascism, or communism--any government dependent on the whim of a single individual is like any other such government.
On balance, the hope that they're just waiting for a large enough congressional majority and a sympathetic president to rein in the executive branch is just attractive enough to stifle my fears that one way or the other, the people of these United States are screwed--that by their negligence and indifference, they've left an imperial crown lying around, and the only question now is who picks it up and puts it on.
Robert Crawford
interesting thoughts
Get A Clue
Obama blew it
Great speaker though - maybe he should be playing Hamlet instead of protecting Soviet Cheney and the Telco Traitors.
Quit blaming Ralph Nader
Ralph...
I hate it but...
Get real.
Oh Well
You are not paying attention
1. voted for the Patriot Act
2. led the way to stop the filibuster on Samuel Alito
3. voted to confirm Condoleezze Rice
4. led the fight to end the filibuster and pass the new FISA, which gives immunity to Bush and Cheney as well as the Telecoms
5. joined Republicans in voting to build 700 miles of double fencing on the Mexican border
6. supports the death penalty
7. opposes single-payer health care
8. wants to increase the military by 100,000 troops and he plans to move troops from Iraq to Afghanistan, merely changing the war rather than ending it
9. voted for Dick Cheney's 2005 Energy
Yeah, that's just what we need: another sugar-coated speech from Obama to bamboozle us into supporting whatever turncoat thing he does.
Checking some of these out
Is this just blather or...
Why is Obama supporters have no idea of his policies?
For the rest, check out Obama's awful pro-neocon voting record:
http://obama.senate.gov/votes/
I remember you....
correction
Why is this corporatist blogger here?
A strong leader stands up for the one thing that makes the US the fountain of liberty - the US Constitution.
A weak leader follows DLC/neocon advice, surrenders to the wingnuts, and follows Gore and Kerry into the history books.
Definition of sycophant
sycophant (s?k'?-f?nt, s?'k?-)
n.
A servile self-seeker who attempts to win favor by flattering influential people.
Once Obama's In Office Will He Be An Agent Of Progress?
yeah, but...
Remember the acrimony around
Remember the acrimony around here and other progressive websites during the Obama/Clinton conflict?
Where have all the Clintonites gone?
Now they seem to be Naderites declaiming that since Obama won't stand for their and only their platform, they're voting third party.
Interesting. If Obama acted according to their wishes, he'd lose.
If enough people vote third party, he'd lose.
Which means McCain wins and we all get a front row center seat for the final Grande Opera.
Isn't this all very interesting? You finally get a Democrat smart enough to beat the Repubs at their own game and... and...
All the sudden Obama is a fascist, war mongering, small business taxing and on and on and on and on.
I smell a flea ridden freeper rat.
Alter was good.
And you could see Keith biting his lip from time to time, knowing that the progressive blogosphere has to grow up on political tactics. I liked Alter's line..."there are 130 million voters out there and most are low information citizens, not even aware of these issues yet." But you can be sure they will respond to GOP smear-mongers who are trying like all hell to paste something "un-American" on Barack, anything considered "weak".
The flag pin, Rev. Wright, Ayers, and his name have lost their punch. They would love to use the race card more, but they're smart enough to know how that will backfire on them. They were surprised that Barack would be this aggressive on refusing the government's $85 Million for campaigning...and that one isn't getting any negative traction either. So Barack's got his $300M+ war chest and they've got nothing that will stick. So they would love to go after him on defense, terrorism, etc. I was amused at Dennis Miller's evident frustration at this problem. He labeled Barack as being "tedious" - imagine that from a guy whose jokes all have 2 minute long, derivative punchlines that require dictionaries to get.
Alter also pointed out that the FISA bill expired last year and so the government has a defense to actually continue to act illegally until something takes its place. Also, read Barack's written statement of June 20th regarding the House FISA bill - he goes after the telecom retroactive immunity and pledges to fight it....
Keep it up PM.
Obama for what?
Keep that Obama "slack" handy
Well, this is two things just this week that we have to believe that Obama is saying and doing but doesn't really mean.
1. forego public financing. -- The only reform we need in politics is to get the special interest money [and the vast totals being spent] out of the campaigns forever. If we level the playing field, then fairness will return. Since 90% of Obama's contributor are under $200, we will never know where his money is coming from. Oh, well, we can just hold or breath and hope that Obama is doing the right thing. He says that he is a Democrat and that he is doing the right thing. George Bush told us he was doing the right thing and everybody believed him. So that will probably work out really well.
2. vote for telecom (and Bush/Cheney) immunity because we don't want to be mean to Bush -- and the bill contains a ten cent raise in the minumum wage that goes into effect in 20 years or some such hogwash.
3. Oops, make that three things in just one week (so far). He is for the death penalty and he is for extending it to crimes other than murder [an eye for an eye]
Shall we take bets on what his next capitulation to the right wing will be? He is filp flopping so fast that it is hard to for those who would excuse him for expedience to keep up. Keep cutting the slack for Obama even though you were not willing to cut Hillary Clinton any slack to express centrist opinions that might get her elected in November.
FISA
Good research
But winning is better than whining - it really is.
Don't loose your patience yet, and don't waste your vote on Nader, even though he's usually right. He's a prophet, not a politician. The two don't mix at all. FDR was a great politician, but certainly not a righteous prophet. Yet he instituted at least as much change as those famous 1930s vintage labor union leaders, maybe more.
Barack is the way back...he's not the end of the road. Back to Churchill's wisdom.."The Battle of Britain was not the beginning of the end, but the end of the beginning"...
We have to stop this one-party state
But voting for the lesser of two evils is not the way to win. It's the way to ensure that neocons win ... either a Dim neocon or a Repug neocon.
The only way to clean up Washington is to vote against evil. Unless and until the Dims get smart and throw out the DLC traitors, the only honorable vote is third party.
The only situation where...
...a third party vote from a progressive in 2008 is justified would be in a solid blue state. This way you can express your liberal sentiments to the winner, and potentially not threaten Barack's chances of winning.
However, for argument's sake, if say, 10,000 other disenchangted and normally democratic voters do the same in choosing Nader, and McMad wins in your Blue state by, say, 9,990 votes, well then that would be a real bitch... So it's the dilemma of 2000 in Florida all over again, and it's not Like the 2000 election, it is the 2000 election - where Nader's votes would have made the difference. Sure there were other factors such as Gore's weak campaign, Bush's cheating, Supreme Court intervention, etc. etc. - but Bush was ahead by a mere 250 or so votes when the Supreme Court stopped it and declared Shrub King. 250 VOTES!! I imagine more than 250 people in Florida voted for Nader....
ets say
However, if you feel that Barack and McMad are two sides of the same coin, then you're like the guy who can't tell the difference between poison and poison ivy, the kind who would throw out an rough diamond because it lacked cut facets and didn't look just like you imagined. Or more like the child that refuses to play ball and turns tail home because he didn't get picked shortstop.
You seem to be a DLC neocon rather than a Progressive
Progressives work for progressive issues. We don't vote for candidates who want to increase the military, starve millions to protect ethanol subsidies, spy on Americans without warrants, and drive families into financial ruin to boost corporate insurance profits.
The only way to progress is to vote for progressive candidates. We won't throw away our votes on the lesser of two neocons, no matter what color his or her shirt.
Do you plan to celebrate on the basis that you marked your X against neocon A rather than neocon B? Nobody gives a rats ass which neocon you voted for. Progressives can hold their heads high knowing that they voted progressive.
The choice is simple - several more years of fascism until enough people vote third party, or permanent fascism as dumb voters alternate between the Dim and Repug wings of the fascist party.
Sure, go ahead and vote for Nader
Its a free country. Then you may hold your swollen head high in your mirror and bask in your narcissistic self-aggrandizement and silly petulance over keeping some arcane notion of political purity at the expense of real change. The rest of us progressives and 'other' Democratic voters will roll up our sleeves and keep working to make positive 'incremental' changes so one day our children and perhaps even we may enjoy something of that great society earlier Democrats made possible but lost to Republicans and marginalized "Puritan" clowns.
So if I understand your stated “theory”, you want McMad to win, since another 4 or 8 years of Bush 44 only serves to hasten the day when the skies part and St. Ralph descends upon 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and the DLC and whoever else you cannot tolerate, will be shipped to some left wing hell (I'm sure a Bush 44 president will vastly expand GITMO in 8 years).
But as usual, these fantastic theories don't hold up...Why, you ask? Because another 4+ years of GOP rule under Dr. Stranglove McCain will end the democracy....but then that's the goal of all absolutists. Why you’re no better than a right-wing dominionist wacko, just wistling a differnt tune.
Please don't pretend you're Progressive
Progressives don't vote for wingnuts who want ethanol subsidies despite mass starvation.
Progressives don't vote for wingnuts who protect Cheney and the Telco Traitors.
Progressives don't vote for wingnuts who want the death penalty for rape.
Progressives don't vote for wingnuts who want even larger military.
Progressives do uphold the Constitution against enemies both neocon and DLC.
You are not a Progressive, Will B. Whether you're a DLC drone or a neocon nut I can't tell - the only difference is the shirt color.