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Hillary Clinton Downs the Political Hemlock

THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

Like nearly everything else in politics, one's outward reaction to Hillary's latest lollapalooza will largely depend on which side of the partisan partition one stands.

Her defenders will again rail against the biased, sinister forces who plot disingenuously for her political demise, blah, blah, blah; her detractors will launch a fresher and higher intensity of outrage, such as Keith Olbermann's last night which damn near achieved orbit, blah, blah, blah.

But inner reactions, I suspect, are far more closely aligned, even to the point of superimposition. Her detractors would privately confess the mitigation of exhaustion and sleep deprivation having undoubtedly scrambled Hillary's brain; her defenders would privately confess that her comment was, nevertheless and sure enough, unmitigated evidence of a calculating, cold-hearted mind.

Both sides would agree that what she said was a damn stupid and inexcusable thing to say. Period.

Excluding Mr. Olbermann's, initial reaction from the universe of cable punditry, which presented a mixture of the above, was a fascinating thing to watch. They were the Astaires of commentary, dancing with unprecedented grace around the obvious.

From Chris Matthews to E.J. Dionne to John Harwood to Rachel Maddow, cable's voices of authorized observation intoned, one after another, that they just couldn't bring themselves to believe that Hillary had in mind the happy prospect of triumph through elimination, rather than the chronological lethargy of past primary seasons.

Only the Washington Post's Eugene Robinson -- based, that is, on my circumscribed viewing -- finally encountered reality in a rousing flurry of disgust and disbelief.

To paraphrase Robinson: What in God's name are you people talking about? She said it. It's right there on tape. "Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June." What other interpretation or spin could one possibly put on it? She was saying, point blank and in plain English, that it's not nearly too late. Stuff happens, dear troops, so don't give up hope.

A few years ago, when I was engaged in research for a historical manuscript on American demagoguery and the rise of the New Right, a wise rhetorical studies professor offered me this advice: Don't assign motive when none is clearly stated. Don't play psychiatrist or psychohistorian.

Or, at least I, said the professor, can tell you that we rhetorical studies professionals have stopped doing so. All we can know is what a politician says. Why he or she said it is beyond our scope. Only what is said can be competently analyzed.

And that is all Mr. Robinson was doing.

The professor's advice, in the world of partisan politics, is exceedingly difficult to follow with any real consistency -- especially against one's enemies. When we strike the assignment of rhetorical motive from our arsenal of analytical weaponry, we also sit by and watch all the fun slowly drain from the possibilities of assault or counterattack.

We have known for years why George W. Bush said what he said and now know why John McCain says what he says, even if what we have known or presently know doesn't always square with what's recorded in print. In the absence of such unshakable knowledge, political commentary and partisan firepower would evaporate overnight.

Still, there are always those fortuitous occasions upon which we claim, with considerable justification, the purest of objectivity. Yesterday's was one of them.

Hillary said what she said, just as Eugene Robinson said what she said, and there simply aren't any two ways about it. It transcended mere stupidity. It exceeded the forgivable boundaries of the effects of sleep deprivation. It soared far above and beyond mere historical, chronological analysis.

It was, rather, quite simply a chilling public admission of what swims in any desperate politician's mind: "My opponent might die, so there remains hope."

That is, indisputably, what she said. It's on tape. No interpretation is required, no creative assignment of motive is necessary -- not when it's right there, in printed black and white or video color, right in front of you.

It would be the height of naivete to claim that "normal" politicians don't think such things. Of course they do, all of them, just as any of us would if we were in their racket and, in this case, in Hillary's shoes.

But there's an insurmountable problem with that as an excuse: such a thing is simply not said in public. For countless reasons that rule is perhaps the last, absolutely inviolable rule in the political book. You violate it and you're out. There is no appeal.

The only question remaining: Will Hillary finally have the personal class to concede the obvious -- that she's got to go, now, for having transgressed that one unalterable law of political life.

Please respond to P.M.'s commentary by leaving comments below and sharing them with the BuzzFlash community. For personal questions or comments you can contact him at fifthcolumnistmail@gmail.com

THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter


hillary is trespassing

I mean Ted Kennedy trespassed when he damaged Carter 1980 on the convention so much that Carter was dead meat vs Reagan. I mean Hillary Clinton doesnt do a fuck. Obama simply hasnt 2025 delegates. Its not forbidden what she does. Okay, Ted Kennedy is currently suffering from a brain tumor. But its nonetheless so easy guys. Hillary Clinton announced 2006 that shell be a candidate. again the kennedy corner came up pretty late with obama and he bulldozed pretty much. I think hillary has any right until obama got the number required. think of wright. white men created aids. heck the immuno defense is white. if obama is scandalized for what reason soever there will be voices who is responsible. and u bet it wont be me.

Why Hillary's comment was an "innocent" mistake

TO YOU BLIND, IRRATIONAL HILLARY HATERS: HILLARY IS HERSELF A POTENTIAL VICTIM OF ASSASSINATION. Benazir Bhutto proves that female political leaders running for office are definitely subject to assassination...even though Pakistan's culture, like all Islamic-dominant cultures is usually protective of women. Women who don't behave as men want them to are definitely candidates for murder in all cultures, including this one. So...it makes no sense that Hillary would intentionally remind people of assassinating candidates in June. I suppose she should be flattered that people think she's so smart and articulate that she can't make a mistake...you Hillary haters believe that all her gaffes must be calculated for political purposes.

General Election Poll....Obama/Clinton/MaCain

This was the Number one polling site in the 2000 & 2004 General Elections. Maybe it will open up your eyes a little. There's no question who the strongest candidate in the General Election is.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May25.html

Thanks...

Let's make it clickable... Here's the page for Obama:

Obama-McCain Results

and for Clinton

Clinton-McCain Results

Is her mind that dark and evil..?

Supposing something horrible did happen, can they- would they really run to the nearest camera or spotlight or stage, and claim a ... a 'victory'?
And would they then expect the entire country would rush over to greet them with hearts and flowers?

Well, we know the minority of the country, the New York based coalition of media and corporate CEO's surely would.

For even envisioning such a thought the Clinton's should be thrown out the back door into the gutter with Joe Lieberman, because those are the kinds of Americans that brought us to the crumbling cliff we all stand on today.

While some like Lieberman and the Clinton's mention the Hamas leaders wishing Obama would take over, he and the Clinton's both hide and forget that in the 90's they fully supported the Taleban of Afghanistan, about oil, while many of failed in our appeal to the Clinton's about the horrific abuse of Afghan woman at the hands of the Taleban.

GO HOME HILLARY!

Nationalism is not terrorism. And an adversary is not an enemy.

Hil-o-reee has just

Hil-o-reee has just committed political suicide, how can she now be taken seriously as a "leader" of the the most influential country in the world? If it comes to pass that the "FIX" is truly in and she is the chosen one, "Hail To The Chief" should be changed to the circus favorite of "March Of The Gladiators." --- Bumpa

To believe that Clinton is entitled to the nomination....

truthisall.net To believe that Clinton is entitled to the nomination, you must also believe that... -Caucuses don't count. -Pledged Delegates don't count. -Super Delegates don't count. -Only popular votes count. Hillary leads in the popular vote because.... -Prior signed agreements not to campaign in Florida and Michigan are null and void. -Michigan votes count even though she was the only one on the ballot. -Florida votes count even though she signed an agreement that they wouldn't. -Denying FL and MI voters is equivalent to Florida's 2000 debacle even if she didn't speak out for Gore at the time. -Denying FL and MI voters is equivalent to women's suffrage. -Puerto Rico's votes should count but not the Iowa caucuses. -Racist votes should count but not the Texas caucuses. -The fact that the recorded vote has exceeded the exit poll in 18 of 21 states (7 beyond the margin of error)in favor of Clinton is just a coincidence. -The fact that the GOP would rather run against Clinton than either Edwards or Obama does not mean that votes have been rigged on her behalf. -The fact that Obama won the NH hand-counted precincts and Hillary won the machine-counted precincts by exactly the same percentage is just a coincidence. -Rush Limbaugh had every right to promote Operation Chaos on March 4, the day of the Ohio and Texas primaries. -It was just a coincidence that Bill Clinton was a guest on Limbaugh's talk show that day. -Operation Chaos did not have a material effect in Clinton winning the Texas and Indiana primaries and inflating her vote everywhere else. -If Karl Rove says that she is the strongest candidate, it must be true. -Hillary did the right thing in seeking the support of Richard Mellon Scaife, a true patriot. -Rupert Murdoch felt it was in America's best interest to support Hillary. -Fox News should be commended for their unbiased reporting. -Keith Olbermann on MSNBC is a sexist on a mission to destroy Clinton. -John McCain is an experienced, worthy opponent and more qualified than Obama. -Hillary knows what it's like to be under sniper fire. -Hillary voted for the IWR because she had no reason to believe that Bush would lie about Saddam's WMD. -She believes in working with Congress on Universal Health Care, and would never develop the plan in a secret Manhattan Project. -As far as she can tell, Obama is not a Muslim. -As a former Goldwater girl, she later became a true progressive...Republican.

Hillary is now an exclusive product of the Corporatoracy

For all intents and purposes, Hillary should have been ignored by the Corporate Media since Barack Obama made it virtually impossible for Hillary to win legitimately the Democratic Party's nomination back in April of this year. The fact that she is still around as the center of the Corporate Media's attention is because Richard Mellon Scaife, Jack Welch, Rupert Murdoch and the rest of the rightwing anti-democratic controllers of the Corporatocracy's Mass Media outlets that control 95% of what Americans view on their televisions have kept her around as the lead story. She is part and parcel to their continuing monopolist control of the Public Commons - television, radio and newspapers. Her continuing slimeball tactics being the topic of discussion by the Corporate Mass Media is not in the public interest. We the people own the airwaves. We the people have the inalienable inherent right to assemble and to distribute leaflets to inform our fellow citizens. These rights are currently being trampled by the Corporatocracy that run our country. We have been shut out of the television air waves. We have been shut out of the radio air waves. We have been shut out of the newspapers. We have been harassed and arrested for assembling in cities all over this country and we have been fined and arrested for distributing leaflets that criticize the criminal behavior of the Corporatocracy's leaders. It is long past that America was a democracy. America is a fascist state controlled by America's Corporatocracy - the leaders of the Business Roundtable. Hillary is a product of the Corporatocracy. Her outrageous behavior is not what American citizens need or should focus on. We need to focus on her masters that control her strings. We need to take back our democracy that was promised to us when we were born or when we became naturalized citizens. Who made Rupert Murdoch the American shadow minister of Truth? Who made Jack Welch the shadow minister of Economic Policy? Who made Robert Rubin the shadow minister of Finance? Without a free mass media, America cannot and will never again be a democracy. As truthisall points out above, America's rigged voting machines continue to be used to despite the inherent criminal purpose of their being. Hillary is but a cog in our Republican (and Democrat-enabled) Culture of Corruption. Let's all keep our eyes on the prize - American Democracy.

Could Senator Barack Obama Be The One?

"The one what?" "The one who's going to end the Iraq War, negotiate with Iran plus turning things around here at home?" "And then what sort of world? "It'll be up to us."

Who cares what she meant

Either she is hoping Obama gets shot, or she is incredibly tone deaf stupid. Both scenarios dq her from being a good candidate. You have lost Hill. You have lost the delegates and the popular vote. If you think counting only your votes in MI and giving Obama none, and counting the votes of Puerto Rico are going to give you the lead in popular votes you are mistaken.

A poor example

If one wants to be charitable towards Hillary, one could say that she was trying to make a point and chose an extremely poor example to do so. Although the example in question does support her point, it also raises the specter of violence entering the American political arena yet again. This is especially unfortunate, given that the presumptive Democratic nominee will be the first black American to have a serious run for the White House. Every black person with whom I have discussed Obama's candidacy has expressed fear, and in some cases certainty, that he will be assassinated. Could Hillary have been unaware of these concerns? Is she was, then it is a clear sign that she is out of touch with the nation that the rest of us inhabit. If she was aware, then it is a sign that personal ambition is her highest priority. The complete absence of a moral core will have been confirmed.

BIC Flicking for Bobby Kennedy

"Who, oh who, will rid me of... HIM?" The ever calculating Mrs Billary, with full malice aforethought, hath now resorted to recklessly clicking and flicking her BIC as she wallows hip deep in a highly explosive cesspool of fuming, seething, smoldering, lone-nuts, in a hail mary prayer that one or more lone-nuts out there might be patriotic.. and violent.. enuff to act on behalf of her noble birthright.... Wilt Mrs Billary's stumbling bumbling feminine honor be heroically saved in the final minutes of the final round by a vast Limbag conspiracy ... and/or by a like-minded lone-nut, whichever comes first? God, and only God, knows. But He who art in Heaven, as usual, cares only about smiting down our vast worldwide epidemic of abominable gays, while awaiting the second coming of the Rapture. And long live Vice-President Billary!! For ifn that too shall come to pass, then must thou watch out for thy back, oh unwise President Obama... For thy price of appeasing Vice-President Billary shalt be eternal vigilance! amen

Excusing the Inexcusable!

There is no explanation or rationalization for what Hillary said. She spoke of RFK's assassination in terms of her remaining in the race. She could have simply indicated that the "primary season in the past did not end until June" and left it at that. Even that reference would have been false because New Hampshire in that year was in March and the primary season was mercifully much shorter than this psycho festival we have been treated to. The basis of her example was false, her use of RFK in that context was UNFORGIVEABLE, and she has been unmasked to all except the diehard delusionals and Rovian rejects who still stalk our discourse.

I can do better than that

Wherein I do better job of analyzing the situation: 1. Your professor's advice was part of what's wrong with our current political discourse. 2. It is utter nonsense that there is only one, plain interpretation of what Hillary Clinton said. While I do think she is waiting around in case Obama gets assassinated, nevertheless it is perfectly valid and not even implausible that she meant RFK's assassination as a vivid reminder that a primary campaign can go on past May. 3. The alternate interpretation, which Clinton wants us to believe is all she meant, doesn't help her very much. Since Iowa, Clinton has countered Obama's campaign of fright-reduction and interdependence with a campaign of fear and division, designed to make voters feel disillusioned, isolated, and unwell. We, at least many of us over about the age of 40, have been biting our nails and struggling not to be terrified out of our wits that Barack Obama will be assassinated--struggling to remain positive and unparalyzed. Hillary Clinton has worked hard to paralyze us, to make us too timid and unwell to risk choosing the new guy who might fail--and now here she is, blandly reminding us that presidential candidates can be assassinated--much as she blandly spoke of "obliterating" Iran. Hillary Clinton is making us sick and doing so nonchalantly, as if it means nothing to her, and we have had more than enough.

I Also Fear

that something will happen to Obama but I do not believe that Hillary wants him dead. My partner & I both have feelings of dread when we think of an Obama presidency. We both feel he should pick wisely when choosing a Vice Presidential running mate. It would be the same for Hillary. There would be plenty of people who would also want her dead. I do not believe that either Clinton or Obama want anything to happen to the other. Yesterday RFK, Jr. said that he did not believe that Hillary meant any harm by what she said. If he can forgive her why can't you?

RFK, JR

You can be sure that the instant Mrs. Bill Clinton uttered her words one of her handlers hit the speed dial button to tell RFK,Jr what he needs to say to keep her in the race. He didn't forgive her; he rationalized it. And she has not apologized. She said she is sorry if her words offended anyone. In other words: it's your problem since she didn't say anything offensive.

Bobby Kennedy is a Hillary

Bobby Kennedy is a Hillary supporter and so I certainly expected him to make excuses for her. As for forgiving Hillary, certainly I could forgive her, but that doesn't interfere with my ability to see this affair as evidence of her unsuitability for president or vice president, and as more cause to want her to pack up her campaign and go home. The presidential campaign is not about Hillary Clinton; it is about the American people. To hell with Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama! Boo hoo if they can't be president! Who cares. I forgive her; it makes no difference to the campaign.

WHY was there no uproar

WHY was there no uproar about Michelle Obamas comment on 60 minutes?? The Obama campaign & supporters from the start have twisted everything the Clintons have said to try & project hatred towards the Clintons. With the help of the Media, especially MSNBC & their bias out of control comments by Matthews & Olbermann, have taken the American election process to a new low. Especially Olbermann. He uses his show for a platform for Obamas campaign. His comments are like a 8 yr. old throwning a tantrum. I suppose that is why NBC is the worst rated network. He's like a minister screaming from the pulpit for his Messiah. For all his Hope & Change campaign, Obama & his followers have destroyed the Democratic party. The heavy presence of security around Obama was also a silent reminder of the change that took place with the announcement. Michelle Obama, the candidate’s wife, acknowledged it in an interview to air on CBS’ “60 Minutes,” in which she was asked if she fears for her husband’s life as a black candidate. “I don’t lose sleep over it because the realities are that . . . as a black man . . . Barack can get shot going to the gas station,” Michelle Obama said in the interview, set to air Sunday night. “You can’t make decisions based on fear and the possibility of what might happen.” This was not only talking about assassination, it was also racist.

Ah, The Hillary Troll Rides Again!

I would have thought you'd be cleaning your gun on Hillary's secret orders rather than coming back here to blather your impotent racist Fear of a Black President prejudices at us again, and thus prove what a bigoted and hysterical ass you truly are, Thomas M.

As has been said by others, Michelle Obama spoke no less than the truth - something you should consider as you caress your Lester Maddox-issued hickory stick (what a FINE Democrat of your generation he was, Thomas M!) to beat "the coloreds" off your lunch counter with....

diprodny

Where was all the outrage when the items below hit the headlines??
Double Standard, You bet!!!!

SICKO: KILL HILL
WACKO'S THREAT ON OBAMA BLOG
By MAGGIE HABERMAN in Keene, N.H., and IAN BISHOP in Sacramento, Calif.

MEET & GREET: While a blogger was calling for her death, Hillary Rodham Clinton was at a New Hampshire town-hall meeting (above) yesterday.
February 12, 2007 -- A blogger's rant calling for Hillary Rodham Clinton's death - and posted on one of Sen. Barack Obama's campaign Web sites yesterday - came as her security has been being dramatically beefed up, The Post has learned.

The Secret Service was alerted to the twisted item, which was on the Obama blog page for about seven hours before being yanked.

"You're too black for whites and too white for blacks," read the post, which went up at 8:59 a.m. "But please put up a good fight for us - and if you get a chance to shove a pillow over Hillary's face and smother her to death before the primaries, 20 black-eyed virgins will wait on you in paradise."

HEADLINES......
"Black Hillary Supporters May Be Receiving Death Threats" (By Obama supporters)

HEADLINES......

College Student Held In Hillary Death Threat
Cops: Louisiana man, 19, told classmate of Baton Rouge plot
MAY 4--A Louisiana college student has been charged with threatening the life of Hillary Clinton, whom the man said he would kill when she visited Baton Rouge. Richard Wargo, a 19-year-old Louisiana State University freshman, was arrested yesterday after he allegedly told a fellow student that he wanted to commit an act of terrorism and wanted to know if the classmate was interested in participating. The planned terror act, Wargo told the other student last month, would be a "national event" and mentioned Clinton's name when asked if it was politically motivated, according to the below search warrant. Clinton is scheduled to speak tomorrow in Baton Rouge in connection with the National Conference of Black Mayors gathering. When Wargo's classmate told him that an attack on Clinton would make her even more popular, he responded, according to the warrant, "True, but have you ever heard of a dead president?" Wargo, a physics major, was arrested after his classmate yesterday contacted university police and reported his statements. During a search last night of Wargo's dormitory room, investigators seized a laptop computer, cell phone, and several containers of marijuana, according to an inventory sheet. Charged with terrorizing and an arson rap, Wago is being held on $1 million bond at the East Baton Rouge Sheriff's Office, where the mug shot at right was taken. (another Obama supporter)

Michelle Obama comments on it a long time ago.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yrmzl11LqiI

So, you are equating wackos calling for assassination with HRC?

How exactly does this support your argument? This is exactly the point: only a crazy person even mentions the word "assassination" when it comes to politicians. In fact, that is how you know they are crazy. HRC boldly and unrepentantly stated that she is still in this race because, "Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June". That's crazy.

So, you are equating wackos calling for assassination with HRC?

Seems you are calling these Obama supporters "Wackos"? Good for you!

What I am saying is you all have taken Hillary's comments & made it into something it was never meant to be for the sole purpose of trying to destroy her. I understand you not liking her for this or that, but not the hateful twisting of words for the sake of electing your candidate. The Republicans have tried to frame her personality for over 15 yrs. You guys have adopted their agenda of Slime politics & added much more hate to it. I cannot believe that you don't know what she meant.
Seems she has gotten more threats than Obama has & she would be crazy to bring up something that could certainly put her in Jeopardy too. She could have just said " two other candidates went all the way to June" & you guys would have said, "Hey, Bobby Kennedy went to June & he got shot, She's implying Obama might get shot." She's talking about assassination, that bitch!!
Obama, his supporters & the Media are trying to make it so no one can say anything without it being twisted into a negative. I don't think it will work with the Republicans in the General Election.

HUH?

Obama has run a Gentleman's campaign - when's the last time we saw such a refined and Presidential campaign? I defended the Clintons with all my heart and soul for the past decade, but Hillary's dark side finally emerged for all to see. She never completely detoxed from her Young Republican days. Her attack campaign which is also plagued with fiscal irresponsibility [and we sure don't need more years of this after the current admin. has emptied all our coffers], her voting record re: Iraq War, her lying, deceit and attempt to cheat to fix her numbers have convinced me that she has either changed or the wool was pulled over my eyes for years. Olbermann was on Hillary's side until he woke up to her shenanigans and now he feels somewhat betrayed just like me. Good for Olbermann and Godspeed Obama!

HUH?

You said ....."Olbermann was on Hillary's side until he woke up to her shenanigans". He was never on her side. He's a sexist!!! Always has been!

Because

He has a lot of women guest commentators on his show??

HUH?

Only a racist could find reverse racism in a 100% accurate statement about what black men deal with daily. Oh,and Olberman has the highest rated cable news show.

bettysdad

You've been listening to Olbermann's distortion of the facts. He may be the highest rated cable show on MSNBC, but MSNBC is in last place of the big 4. Fox is #1, CBS is #2, ABC is #3, NBC is last, which includes MSNBC.

8PM -
The O’Reilly Factor- 2,113,000 viewers
CNN Election Center– 796,000 viewers
Countdown w/ Olbermann – 1,069,000 viewers
America’s Oil Crisis- 201,000 viewers
Nancy Grace – 592,000 viewers

We have to remember that the numbers that Keith spouts is a very relative term when your highest rated program still can’t break into the top 15 most watched cable news programs.

Sorry

Is there anything you wingnuts won't lie about to try to prove your nonsense? Fox is rated separately from Fox News, and NBC is rated separately from MSNBC. You might as well rate CNN's performance related to Sports Illustrated. Olberman is on three times per night. O'Reilly is on five.. Understand? Two of the shows you listed aren't even general news shows.

Sorry again

Here, read it for yourself. Then make it what you want. http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/05/23/oreilly-vs-olbermann-through-thursday-may-22/3888

Try posting the key demos

Advertisers care about the 18 to 34 demographic and Countdown has surpassed O'Reilly in that demo several times during this long, long, long election season. For a show that is what - three years old? - that is incredible movement and there is no doubt that he has O'Reilly running scared. The big dog is not so big after all.

There is no such phenomenon

There is no such phenomenon wherein Obama is like a "Messiah". This charge might be, in many cases, a projection of the accusers' own emotional relationships to presidential candidates.

There is no such phenomenon

The projection of "Messiah" has been by the Obama supporters!!!

What Michelle Obama said...

was a fact. What Hillary said, especially after Huckabee's remark at the NRA, was completely tasteless. Hillary had a really good chance at the nomination, but she threw it away by conducting a smear campaign against Obama. The act of even mentioning the possibility of assassination is, in a word, taboo. She lost my respect a long time ago, but this is a new low. Maybe she's getting all her ideas on FOX!

What Hillary said...

What Hillary said was a fact!! The Media & Obama supporters have twisted it into something she didn't say or meant. It's called Gutter politics!

I don't understand

Why are you working so hard defending Mrs. Bill Clinton? It's long been apparent you're a racist, which means there's a 99.9% certainty you're a sexist. They always go together. Probably an anti-semite also. So what's the deal? You hate Blacks more than women?

I really don't expect you to understand

I really don't expect you to understand bettysdad. You & a couple of others on Buzzflash have been dealing in slime politics & labeling anyone with a different opinion as racist. Now it's also sexist & anti-semite. I've seen you call many, many people racist on this blog. You seem to be a judgmental idiot with no class. You also think your comments are "cute". That's the intelligence of a 12 yr. old. With your "attack mold" personality, I have to assume your a very lonely person.
Your desire to attack everyone is a personality disorder, I suggest you get help.

That is what makes it so insane!

Yes, we all know Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June. To use that as the rationale for why you are staying the in race - until June - simply defines your candidate as crazed.

As Per Aslan The Lion King We Don't Have To Talk About The Past

"Senator Hillary Clinton?" "Who's she?"

'till death do give me back the front-runner status

Who knew that Hillary was so despondent that she would commit suicide? Who know that her advisors were so cowed that they would bring the cup to her and encourage her to drink? What demographic could anyone have thought would rally to her cause to save her from herself? This is beyond belief!

My time is past...

...for quietly watching and tolerating HRC's malignant sense of entitlement. The New York legal limit for cash contributions to whatever democrat challenges her for her Senate seat in 2012. From my accounts to theirs, I promise.

What do you want??

dbaragona What do you Obama people want??...You want Hillary out and you don't want her for Obama's VP, right??...Well, tell me something, do you want Hillary's 17 million votes??...Do you want the women's vote she can deliver??...How's about the Latino vote??...Let's see, maybe Obama might be interested in someone who can deliver NY, NJ, PA, OH, MI, FL, TX, and CA??...If you think Obama needs any of these, maybe you might consider treating Hillary a little better...Now if you Obama people think Obama can do the above by himself, just keep fucking with her and he'll get a chance to find out...Don't be stupid, put her on the ticket, win the White House, and then he can send her to Siberia if he wants, but let's win the White House first...

Slight correction

Obama's "people" aren't fucking with Hillary. Hillary's fucking herself.. We just report on it. Harry Truman said in 1948: "Republicans say I'm giving them hell. I'm just telling the truth." Rewrite that for the 60 years since then

Stupid would be not to call

Stupid would be not to call that bluff. Obama won't need the votes of those few Hillary-extortionists who actually do hold their breaths until they pass out, although I'm sure he'll be as much their president as that of people who didn't threaten to turn themselves blue.

Obama Can't Pick Hillary as Veep

Throughout his campaign, Barack Obama has kept his remarks positive and out of the gutter. That's how he was able to reach the people who support him. Hillary, on the other hand, has allowed a free-for-all mentality, the equivalent of shooting herself in the foot. Sorry, but she's not in the same class as Obama.

Another reason.

If Mrs. Bill Clinton is Obama's ticket mate, he'll be dead before he finishes the oath of office.

I want her to put her brain in gear before she moves her lips!

24 hours going on since she shot her mouth off, and still NO APOLOGY TO SENATOR OBAMA! I hate to break the news to you, but Hill-Billy doesn't walk on water. She really likes to shoot her mouth off before she thinks, and KO ably documented that in his Friday Special Comment about her! She's been a really ineffective Senator and her selling out to her pals in the corporate world sabotaged any meaningful try for health care for another 20 years. She isn't the first one to screw up on health insurance. I fought for health care reform in 1974 and saw how it got torpedoed by Watergate. While Hillary was selling out to her Jackson Hole Group pals, I was fighting for Proposition 104 which would have established single payer in California. Hill-Billy and Slick Willie were nowhere to be found because the only Democrats they care about are themselves. They let the rest of the party wither on the vine from 1994-2000. BTW--it wouldn't have hurt Hillary to actually get her butt in a car and drive over to Walter Reed to see how veterans like my nephew were getting screwed, but she was too busy with her fellow cult members Bible studies to actually do her job as a Senator. And when it comes to that 3 AM call, I sure do not want somebody with a warmongering track record like Hill-Billy picking up the phone and dancing to her fellow neoconservatives obsession with preserving the state of Israel no matter what. On Friday, her latex mask melted off and we saw the real iteration of what she is. We do not need another Lurleen Wallace in the Oval Office having hubby call the shots while he's getting another blowjob from another Monica. Whomever challenges this phony fraud for her Senate seat in 2012 will get my support. it will be worth borrowing $1,000 on my Mastercard to give to a primary challenger against this Goldwater Girl!

DBaragona - it's CLINTON who mentioned "assassination"...TWICE

Obama didn't and hasn't - but it's all somehow The Black Man's fault, and we "Obama people" need to stop picking on Your Gal? Is THAT the quality of threat you've descended to - or what will you do next? Think carefully before you respond....

I can't believe I'm encouraging anyone on BuzzFlash to read this - but in the "Even a Stopped Clock is Right Twice a Day" column, Peggy Noonan(!) writing for Murdoch's WALL STREET JOURNAL(!!!) summed up how women in power who preceded Clinton (Golda Meir, Indira Ghandi, Margaret Thatcher) didn't play the gender card she and her "feminist" surrogates have played over and over in this campaign.

I don't agree w/Noonan's admiration for her choices (especially not Thatcher, who did more to destroy her country than any leader besides Bush!), but I do agree w/her essential point that if you want to convince people how "tough" you are, you don't constantly insist "You're just picking on me b/c I'm a WOMAN!" That just makes you look weak and whiny, in the same way Clarence Thomas saying "It's b/c I'm Black!" at his confirmation hearings did.

What do we want?

How about telling HRC to not suggest that she might win if her opponent gets shot? But, you don't seemt to mind that suggestion, do you? You are exactly like the clinton's; win at any cost. Well you are also a poor excuse of a Democrat as well. Poor Hillary, every body is picking on her. Well, if she can't stand the heat... oh wait, she likes being in the kitchen, right? When a politician says something suggesting assassinating an opponent, that cannot be excused, period. Your suggestion to simply put this aside until later is insane. You do realize that this video will be played all during the general, right? After this comment, there are fewer people who actually "want" her in the White House so let's just send her to Siberia now. Stop being such an enabler of horrible people and their statements. Her comeback of "if" I said something to upset someone. God, how cowardly can you get.

How can you keep her off of the ticket??

dbaragona You have your reason's for hating Hillary and that is fine...If Obama wants to ignore her, that is fine also...For whatever reason, Obama has a hard time with the womens vote, white vote, senior vote and Latino vote...Especially in the Industrial states where he has lost big time...That's what Hillary brings to the table...Can you name another VP that can help him like that??..Whether you like her or not, 17 million people have voted for her...Can Obama take a chance and throw that away??...

Not so.

Obama doesn't have a hard time with the groups you listed. Mrs. Bill Clinton just sucks up the votes of stupid, old, white, wanna-be feminist women. If there were two men in this race, or a woman who did not pander at all times to women,the results for Obama would be markedly different. It's the women that vote for Hillary that have the problem.