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Hillary Clinton's "Garbage Disposal" Strategy

THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

I suspect that late at night, when no pesky outsiders are around to overhear, Hillary's advisers refer with knowing giggles to her campaign's latest strategy not as the "kitchen sink," but as a garbage disposal.

Just how much rubbish can they fabricate and feed to a gullible electorate? We're still finding that out, but I also suspect that Karl Rove sits somewhere in envy and admiration. Not even Bush & Co. debuted this much gall in 2000.

Anything's worth trying, I further suspect, when one knows one is not only best suited but downright entitled to the highest of public offices. If only the uncommitted among the great unwashed would shake off their doubts and vote Hillary en masse, then all would be well across this vast republic. But gosh darn it they're a stubborn lot. And if they won't listen to reason, so goes Hillary's reasoning, then she'll just have to dump mounds of garbage on them.

If you ever thought this sort of campaigning was the exclusive sales territory of Republican hucksters, think again. Because Hillary is showing even them a thing or two.

The day I realized that Mrs. Clinton is indeed willing to say absolutely anything in the reckless pursuit of still one more sucker was that dark day of late that she proclaimed her lead in the accumulated popular vote. Her manner was stunning. She didn't issue the proclamation with light-hearted ribbing -- "Hey, folks, you know, when you stop to count just my votes, I seem to be ahead" -- but with deadpan solemnity.

Her evangelizing is now less the lovable roguishness of an Elmer Gantry than the despicable tripe of a Jerry Falwell.

"I have received more votes by the people who have voted than anybody else," is what Hillary tells the Believers in the hope that more will follow, hoping like hell none of them wonders about the oddly inserted tautology of, "by the people who have voted." Oh well, perhaps they read only Murdoch newspapers and watch only Murdoch networks, is Hillary's additional hope. What they don't know and never stop to ponder can only help her.

But, as we know, her real target is the superdelegates. And as for these folks, Hillary must assume they're only semi-literate and therefore bother to read nothing at all -- like printed reconsiderations of the following:

"I won the states that we have to win -- Ohio, now Pennsylvania," is Hillary's updated chant on the stump. "It’s very hard to imagine a Democrat getting to the White House without winning those states" -- which is to say, the salt-of-the-earth kinds of people who inhabit them. It's all part of her "Obama is unelectable" spiel, directed squarely at the party's ultimate voters. She's been asserting this theme for some time, but with Pennsylvania there has now come a new emphasis.

But, naturally, it is no truer than her popular-vote swindle.

Reports Patrick Healy of the New York Times: "Mrs. Clinton says her popularity among blue-collar workers, women and Hispanics makes her the candidate to beat Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, in the swing states that decide presidential races.... Yet for all of her primary night celebrations in the populous states, exit polling and independent political analysts offer evidence that Mr. Obama could do just as well as Mrs. Clinton among blocs of voters with whom he now runs behind."

You can read it yourself here, which Hillary seems to think the superdelegates cannot, but in a nutshell: "According to surveys of Pennsylvania voters leaving the polls on Tuesday, Mr. Obama would draw majorities of support from lower-income voters and less-educated ones -- just as Mrs. Clinton would against Mr. McCain, even though those voters have favored her over Mr. Obama in the primaries."

What's more, "Obama appears better poised than Mrs. Clinton to pick up states that Democrats struggle to carry, or rarely do, in a general election, like Colorado, Iowa, Missouri and Virginia, all of which he carried in the primaries.... Indeed, if Mr. Obama does become the first African-American nominee of a major party, the electoral landscape of the South could be transformed with the likelihood of strong turnout of black voters in Republican-leaning states like Georgia and Louisiana."

There it is, in black and white, and with plenty more to back it up. But will any of this dissuade Hillary from indirectly huckstering to superdelegates the garbage that says she's better positioned against McCain in these states? Not on your life.

Because at this late, desperate and now dishonorable stage, garbage is all she has.

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THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter


To be a Nazi Troll

all you gotta do ('round these parts) is support Hilary Clinton. Carpenter starts the smear, a boatload of posters champion the smear, and apparently the fundamental complaint is that Clinton smears. If the 2008 presidential election wasn't so important, one could get a good laugh out of this. This onetime Edwards supporter remains uncertain which of the two left standing better merits my vote. There are aspects to both that I like, and there are other traits of both that I do not like one bit. Now that we have heard both C. and O. make vicious attacks on each other (WHAT? MY CANDIDATE HAS BEEN A LIVING SAINT ON EARTH!!! Yeah, well Google "July 2007" and "Bush/Cheney Lite" and read the results) one might be ready to dismiss the campaign as so much wind. I, for one, couldn't care less how they campaign - I care very much how they would govern. Sigh - here everybody knows that are only two kinds of Americans, Obamaniacs and Nazi Trolls, and I don't sound like the one, so I must be the other. Since the former category apparently has a rather smaller headcount than total Democrats in the USA, one can't help but wonder how this attitude is gonna get a progressive agenda enacted anytime soon. How exactly shall Obama's soaring rhetoric about rising above partisan divisions fare when half of his own party is determined to be Nazi Trolls?

~~ THE LAW OF AVERAGES ~~

As defined:

The law of averages is a lay term used
to express a belief that outcomes of a random
event will "even out" over a large sample.

As invoked in everyday life,
the "law" usually reflects bad statistics
or wishful thinking rather than any mathematical principle.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

JUDGING BY THIS PRINCIPLE - AND USING THE FOLLOWING DATA (DCW):

4047 total delegates:
3253 Pledged, 794 Super

Pledged Delegates remaining: 408 (1/2 = 204)
CLINTON 1336 - OBAMA 1491

Super-Delegates remaining: 304 (1/2 = 152)
CLINTON 256 - OBAMA 234

Total Remaining: 712 (1/2 = 356)

CLINTON needs 60.7% of total remaining to reach 2024 delegates
OBAMA needs 42.0% of total remaining to reach 2024 delegates,

Pennsylvania primary delegate allocation:
CLINTON 84(53.2%), OBAMA 74(46.8%)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Pennsylvania primary of April 22, 2008
can in NO WAY be construed as a victory for Sen. Clinton.

If Clinton is to make any progress
towards reaching 2024 delegates before Obama,
SHE MUST MAINTAIN a 60.7% average in delegates.

She fell 7.5 percentage points short of that progress.

Picture this: (an extremely rosy one for Clinton)

If Clinton wins every single remaining contest
by the same margin as Pennsylvania,
the result would be
OBAMA 1916(1628plgd) - CLINTON 1809(1553plgd).

She would have to convince 71%
of the remaining 304 Super-Delegates to NOT NOMINATE
the electorally selected presidential candidate.
Basically requesting 217 high-ranking
Democratic Pary members to commit political suicide.

She did not meet the benchmark in Pennsylvania.

Thereby, if Hillary Clinton is as loyal
to the Democratic base as she claims,
it is time she got to work making Barack Obama
the next President of the United States.

Her political future depends on it. Our country's future depends on it.

Facts - Not Opinion

To those of you who honestly think that the Clintons are honestly trying to "save" the Democratic Party from itself, let me give you facts -- From the National Conference of State Legislatures: Here's what happened to the Democrats under Clinton (I), based on our latest figures: GOP seats gained in The House - since Clinton became president: 48; GOP seats gained in The Senate - since Clinton became president: 8; GOP Governorships gained since Clinton became president: 11; GOP STATE LEGISLATIVE SEATS GAINED SINCE CLINTON BECAME PRESIDENT: 1,254 - AS OF 1998. State Legislatures taken over by GOP since Clinton became president: 9; Democratic oficeholders who have become Republicans since Clinton became president: 439 as of 1998; Republican officeholders who have become Democrats since Clinton became president: 3; Google: "The Hidden Election." These are the facts. This was not salvation, it was the decimation of the Democratic Party. It should not happen again.

Wow

Amazing facts - Thanks

politicians

If we were politicians we wouldn't be writing for Buzzflash, we wouldn't be reading P.M. Carpenter, and we wouldn't be making comments to each other. None of the candidates could have forseen what has come about when they first decided to run for president, and none of them really believed they would be running for president when they began their political careers. It is a long series of smarmy and almost illegal decisions that lead to higher office, and the large majority of politicians never have to answer to the public for their worst sins. Only those who have reached the heights of the Clintons or aspire to the heights like the Obamas have to worry about what unforgivable thing they did to get there. We may say that we want a nice President, but we will usually elect the ruthless character to the office, either of President, or in the latest case, of Vice President. Jimmy Carter was our last President with demonstrable moral fiber, and Obama might be our next. Keep in mind though, that Dick Cheney is held in higher regard than Jimmy Carter by the majority of the populace. If Obama wins the nomination and gets elected, it will be a political miracle of the highest order. Unfortunately, he may be held in no high regard regardless of his accomplishments in office.

Well said...

...but you're wrong about Cheney's regard...I don't think he will ever rise above Benedict Arnold's status when the history books are published - if we don't "fast forward-backwards" 1500 years before then by the zealots who hold him in high regard.

I think Hillary Clinton has

I think Hillary Clinton has a poor grasp on how "losing" is winning and "winning" is losing. Hillary Clinton will not become a party "sage", the way Jimmy Carter has, the way Gary Hart has, the way John Edwards can if he wishes. I don't think she ever had it in her, and we are seeing this emptiness right now. It is an intellectual deficit of a particular kind, a weaker form of the manichean "mind-picture" that George W. Bush blatantly exhibits.

So Called Baggage

You Oboma Haters really make me laugh. Your idea of Anti-American leaves alot to be desired, Hillary LIED, OPENLY and WANTONLY, to everybody in America, I hate BUSH, can't stand the lies, but at least he had the sense to wait until he got into the WhiteHouse before the lies started. Calling American Citizens Anti-American because they speak to a truth that you don't understand, or choose not to understand, because its more convient to look the other way is pure crap and part of whats wrong with this country. This is not the America most of us grew up in anymore. A lyin president and a lyin wanna-be president. That shares the same beliefs as the current president, (voted for war) YES she did, its on the record. lied about Bosnia, again on the record. Lied lied lied and continues to lie as long as it fits her scenario. Learn to read, look at what they said and why they said it, they are not anti-America, they are anti-racist government policies that continue to get passed down from generation to generation, because no one wants to hear the TRUTH any more. Keep deluding yourselves into believing that Hillary represents change and we will end up with 8 years of King George and 4 years of Queen Hillary. The real truth is he can't control what comes out of other peoples mouths anymore than you can. Most of you idiots have not taken the time to even read the complete statements that were made, to even know what was said or why. A couple of one liners passed on to you by FAUX News was all you needed to hear. If this is the America you grew up in and the current government is the one you want, ie. more of the same ol s---, Vote for Hillary and you will get it by the bucketful.

A Call to Patriots

Wake up. Rise up. Do not let these trolls cast doubts into the hearts and minds of the patriotic. Those of us who love our country, who have scrabbled to survive the mind-numbing and heart-wrenching years of VOTER INTIMIDATION, PURGES of the VOTING ROLLS, SPYING on our Citizens, TORTURE, EXTRAORDINARY RENDITION, MERCENARY ARMIES killing civilians in our name, Millions more in POVERTY and without HEALTHCARE, RAPE of the ENVIRONMENT, CORPORATE WELFARE gone wild, the DELIBERATE DROWNING of the poor and black in NEW ORLEANS and the BLOOD SACRIFICE of our American Military; for all of us who refuse to submit to the JACK BAUER/FOX NOISE view of the world---Don't lose HOPE. WE CAN pull the curtain back and show the little Karl Roves of the world manipulating our FEARS of the OTHER. WE CAN stand up as one and say NOT AGAIN, NO WAY, NOT THIS TIME. We're not buying what you are selling, that we must all move a few steps further to the Right in order to win this time. NO WAY!! We've got the SUPER MAJORITY of the American people : against the Iraq War, against the Politics of Division, Against playing the Fear card. Don't believe the same old lies. Listen to your better angels, the chorus of the American Spirit singing YES, WE CAN.

All this is so

All this is so rediculous...Obama will probably win the nominee Bue he will loose the Presidency and it is no ones fault by his own. His Association with Anti-Americans is just not acceptable for the next President of the United States of America...Obama has connections that is just not acceptable for the person that will have the most powerful poisition of the world. These are not anyone elses association thse are his who he chose via his own will ...That this man wants to blame Clinton is absolutely rediculous because she has clearly said, that at the end of all this, she will do what ever it takes to get a Democrat in the White House. However its real easy to blame others for his failure of not having the good judgement.Its not clinton's fault that Rev Wright again is out of his cage..by the way his very expensive cage in the very neighborhood of the people he express hatred towards and that were the eason of American Failure and we should not say God Bless America but God "D" America...Rich White Americans.Its no one fault that Obama has associations that have hurt America, that hate America and that would hurt America..This is his own world of association and all you Clinton bashers are grasping at anything to divert the blame on others for the fact that Obama has supported and is supporting Anti-Americans as the following: William Ayers - American Terrorist Raul Reyes - Columbian Terrorist Antonio Rezko - Muslim Slum Lord Professor Khalidi - Muslim Terrorist Supporter Reverend Wright - Racist N.O.I. Muslim Supporter/Preacher Louis Farrakhan - Racist N.O.I. Muslim Supporter/ Faux Preacher Nadhmi Auchi - Muslim Billionaire Sohaib Abassi - Muslim Millionaire We all should ask ourselves,how can we possible put our nation on the hands of a man with these type of associations? So to blame others is just plain rediculous...THE GIG IS UP MR OBAMA! The press and media's free pass has just run out for the exception of MSNBC, for I understand their CEO is chummy chummy with Obama..So you can all see how it works when you have connections...Well look above again those are Obama's conncetions! Voting for Obama is a big Risk! A Risk that most Americans that love and respect America do not want to take!

Congratulations!

Some of your spelling, syntax and grammar are correct! The poorly educated are a big part of Mrs. Bill Clinton's base. Let's take this one at a time: William Ayers - Never arrested. Much less indicted. Much, much less convicted. Either you think all law enforcement are idiots, or Ayers is not a terrorist . Not anti American. Paul Reyes - Took up arms against what he and many others believed to be oppressive. Sort of like that guy, oh you know, oh yeah George Washington. Never committed an act against America or any US citizen. Not anti-American. Antonio Rezko - Muslim? That's anti-American? You must think so since you mentioned it. Slumlord? That's offensive, but not un-American. Not even illegal. Professor Khalidi - Muslim? Again, not anti-American. Terrorist supporter? Never proven, but the PLO has not attacked the US or its citizens. Not anti-American. Reverend Wright - Racist? Has never advocated causing harm to America or any American. Not anti-American. Louis Farrakhan - Has never advocated harm to any white person. Not a racist. Muslim Supporter/Faux Preacher? Which part is anti_American? And who are you to decide who is a real preacher or not. He is anti-semitic, which is a problem. However, there is no connection between him and Obama. They both spoke a few years ago at the Million Man March.. That's it. You probably believe the Republican smear about Nancy Pelosi and NAMBLA. Not anti-American. Nadhmi Auchi - Muslim Billionaire? Again, which part is anti-American. Has never been suspected or accused of committing acts harmful to the US or it's people.. Not anti-American. Sohaib Abassi - Muslim millionaire? I guess he's less anti-American than a muslim billionaire. Again has never been suspected or accused of committing acts harmful to the US or it's people.. Not anti-American. All of these people may be opposed to specific policies of the US government or specific politicians or parties. Correcting what one believes is wrong with one's country is the most patriotic thing one can do. If true patriots didn't believe that we'd still have a king.

Go Away, Bush Nazi Troll

You have no business being here - and no right.

Who is the Troll. I'm lost

Who is the Troll. I'm lost in this fight when we call our own people Trolls, no matter which side is the Troll side. This Obama group of bashers are doing a big disjustice to this party. I'm wondering which side they are really on as long as their own view is superior. They seem to be the Republican slim machine from the inside. I get more harsh negative words from this group then I hear from the Hillary group. Give us a gun and we will shoot ourselves and we are doing by creating a superior and a inferior candidate, but both are so identical and from the same party. I know some are making Hillary out to be a Republican, she started the War in Iraq, and voted for all of Bushes issues. Get real people.

Do us a favor, use spell check...

Your mangled facts are painful enough on their own, why should we suffer your bad grammar, misspelling, and your poorly manufactured smear tactics. This is a progressive blog, so I suggest you take your shop of GOP horrors back to Fox News where it belongs. You will be much happier blogging there, unless Hillary wins. If she does, well, then you will have the honor of a digital front seat when the GOP's smear closet is opened and the Clinton's numerous 'skeletons' are previewed before November.

It's a Matter of Baggage

No one can out-baggage Hillary Clinton, real, imagined or wildly raving psychotic, in the eyes of the republican party. I can't believe that anyone can possibly think othrwise.

Little baggage, little time..Who is obama?

Obama's baggage may be a little bag, but the little bag carries Anti-American associations that have hurt America, hate Americans-Probably someone like you and that want to hurt America! Small baggage but it weighs millions of pounds...These Pounds that may be or may not be dangerous to our Country. And guess what! The "Maybe" is what worries millions! Who is Obama? His speeches are only full of Litanies against America; His wife's comments are anti-Americans. Who is this man do we know? It's time to take that halo off his and really put a big question mark on his head! Who is he! Why can't he answer questions? Why are his supporter so angry with the questions asked at the last debate that he stumbled, Ah ah ah aha ah's stutters and totally fell apart. Simple questions require simple answers. Why is he getting so upset? is it that he has no real answers that can clear his relationship with all these Anti-American People? Who is this man that jumped on many bandwagons to get where he is now? Would he be in the winning position that he now is in if we knew then what know now? No! He will probably win in NC and we all know why..They have already manipulated peoples minds since Iowa...a great dirty campaign strategy that the Obama people planned!

Definitions.

Please define "anti-American" as well as his "anti-American" associations and his and his wife's "anti-American" statements.

Troll

Dung

Dung

It's easy to call someone names! it is said that when one calls others names its becasue one feels lower than the name one is calling...Pick yourself up! your not that bad..Get informed! and then express an opinion..I asure you we are all here to agree to disagree... no need for name calling! Have you not heard of Freedom of speech?

Bush Nazi Troll

How's THAT for "context", Mr. VoteNazi - er, "Responsibly"? Leave us - you are no longer remotely amusing.

Rolling Eyed Emoticon

Troll Dung is what I consider your post, and most of the tripe you leave around here. To be clear: you are neither dung nor tripe. Your posts are. I do, however, consider you a troll.

Cheers,
Clemsy

No substance

Obama and Bush are practically running the same campaign and of course the media supported Bush too. The fact that you say Hillary is worse than Bush and Rove is something any liberal or Democrat would never say. No one is worse than Bush. Obama supporters voted for Bush at least once and thats why he won the states that always voted Republican in the past. Bush and Obama have the same campaign strategy, the candidate never says anything negative thats left up to his campaign staff. Bush always said I'm a uniter, a Washington outsider, the same things Obama is saying. Obama supporters would rather talk endlessly about Hillary than Obama. All the headlines,all the columns are always about Hillary. Thats because there is nothing to Obama, they have nothing to say about him. He has no substance, nothing to run on, he votes the same as Hillary, he never did anything outstanding for IL. Who cares about his parents, his religion whatever, what has he done? I have never seen any column, newspaper article, TV commentary on Obama that doesn't mention Hillary. He hasn't done anyway worth talking about, I guess that why his supporters would much rather talk about Hillary.

I see your NY Times and raise you with the LONDON Times

Anatole Kaletsky of the London Times makes the case that Hillary MUST do whatever it takes to get the nomination - because Obama can't possibly win. Clearly this is what the Clintons and their supporters fervently believe (my own opinion is different). He writes:

>>The 2008 US election has all the makings of a Greek tragedy, in which noble heroes and heroines are forced to follow a course to catastrophe, divinely preordained as punishment for sins and blunders committed by their forefathers in the dim and distant past. In acting out their ineluctable doom, the eloquent protagonists do not just destroy themselves but also their cities, their nations and even their entire civilisations.

If this description sounds too grandiose, consider yesterday's results from the Pennsylvania primary. The outcome seemed to be precisely calibrated by the gods to maximise the agony of the Democrats. It gave Hillary Clinton just the support she needed to stay firmly in contention, but not quite enough to turn the tide in her favour.

Worse still, this result underlined the fear that senior Democrats have long been aware of, but have never dared to express in public: America may not yet be ready to elect a black President. Worst of all, it has created conditions for the possible election victory of a militarily belligerent and economically unqualified Republican candidate who supports many of President Bush's worst policies.... The fact that Mr Obama and Mrs Clinton are both such impressive candidates, intelligent, sincere, articulate and in command of the issues, while John McCain does not qualify on any of these criteria only makes matters worse.

That Mrs Clinton will now carry on with her campaign is not just probable but essential. For the voting in Pennsylvania confirms that she has a much better chance than Mr Obama of winning the White House for the Democrats....<<

It is clear that the supporters of the Clintons fervently believe this, and regard every action which reduces Obama's chance of winning the party nomination, and/or the general election, as justified.

I'll take the NYT

The fatal flaw in Anatole's argument is that those same bigots are also closeted misogynists, so Hillary (the woman) would also crash on those Neanderthal shores. Further, most bigots and misogynists are conservative Republicans, not Democrats. That’s a pretty darn important distinction that Anatole misses. The gravitas of the Times of London shouldn’t obscure it, not to a rationale observer. So the closeted Blue Dog Democrats are a block of voters Democrats should expose, not cater to; which would be the betrayal of our ethics. Anatole also lost sight of the total number of votes Barack is getting, many more than McCain received or will receive. If Barack wins the nomination, you can basically double those numbers, minus about. 10-20% for the Hillary fanatics who will either not vote, or vote for McCain (which they likely intended to do anyway). Add to that the influx of new voters, the cross-over independents and moderate Republicans who have and will vote for Barack, but never vote for a Clinton restoration, and Mr. Obama has a pretty good chance at sweeping into the White House. But perhaps living 3000 miles from America makes those basic facts a little fuzzy for Anatole.

America is Ready!

America is ready to elect a black man..We proved it in Iowa..Its some of Black America that has proven the contrary! Wright! his followers like Obama has proven the contrary But its not that America is not ready for a black man, its that its not ready for Mr. Obama-His associations are just not acceptable, his litanies of complaint against America are not acceptable..They are wearing us down.. Yes indeed we are ready for a black man, we are just not ready for this black man... If Colin Powell were running, some one that we really know, respect...there could be no stoping him to the White House...We are just not ready for a radcial/anti-American supporter and for someone that we really do not know!

Relevance

I assume that your capitalization of the word London is to accentuate the lack of relevance. Like much of what is written in that newspaper, Anatole's remarks are eloquently written and almost entirely devoid of substance. He says, "...divinely preordained as punishment for sins and blunders committed by their forefathers in the dim and distant past." I realize he intended to suggest the nations mournfull history of enslavement, but coming from a British newspaper it seems to be more than a little resentfull of the colonies' declaration of independence. While it is undeniable that racism continues to plague the country, the staggering voter turnout for this race- and the minority canidate in particular- prove that while racism in America cannot be ignored, it does not decide our president. I get the strange feeling that Mr. Kaletsky's Anti-Americanism has him believing we all love NASCAR, Budweiser, shooting guns and lynching 'n*****s'. I personally don't enjoy any of those activities, although it MUST be hard for me to restrain myself from engaging in them because I am a white male American. Furthermore, he also appears unaware of the Clintons' negative ability to unify the GOP. Members of McCain's campaign (and McCain himself, although his honesty is, as always, nothing short of questionable) have revealed a soft spot of admirability for Sen. Obama, and have a history of attacking the Clintons over something as trivial as an adulterous B.J. (a historical Presidential past-time) If anything unjustly sits as preventative towards electability, it is not racism, but sexism. America is ready for a black president, it may or may not be ready for a woman president (it's just too hard to say because this particular woman is FAR from right for this country)

If She were running under Republican rules - She's the Nominee

So saith Bill and Hillary Clinton. If they just didn't have to run by Democratic Party rules. The nomination would be hers. Forget those silly caucus votes. Forget those states that held primaries when it was against the Democratic Party rules. THIS ELECTION SHOULD BE RUN BY "CLINTON" RULES. PERIOD. Well, she is running as a Republican would run, against a Democrat. She just has the bad luck to have paid her filing fees to the Democratic Party. Blowback is a b****.

ERW.......Speaking of Rules!!!

You guys like to overlook the Number #1 Democratic "MOST important rule"!!! And that is the wining nominee has to reach a threshold of 2024 delegates!!! "Neither" one will, let the delegates decide. That's the way they set up the rules!!! Or should we throw out the "NUMBER 1 RULE" for the Messiah!!!

Play by the rules you say?

Good. The total number of delegates wins, pledged and super. Let's see how it works out come early June. Then the winner, either Barack or Hillary, should be decided. Not in late August. We can agree that if we wait that long, we are critically threatening our own party's chances of victory in November. That applies both ways, equally. As an Obama supporter, I am willing to wait until all the primaries are over, even though we know Hillary won't make up the difference in pledged delegates by then. Total votes don't matter, right? Party rules, Right?? Doesn't matter, since she won't win that either. But if she can pursuade the superdelegates to overturn the will of the voters, and bend the rules, then she will get the nomination. I'll be mad, but she'll be the candidate and the party needs to then start mending fences to win in November. But remember, Party Rules....My vote, well I'm mulling over her recent statements about OBLITERATING 75 million souls...sounds pretty bad - I'm not sure McCain, despite his madness, is as mad!

Messiah no longer! The halo

Messiah no longer! The halo has fallen off! Now the new crown for the X Messiah is a "?" Yes I agree lets follow the NUMBER 1 RULE! Let the delegates decide who is best for America! if its Obama then its Obama If its Clinton then its Clinton

"Obama is unelectable?"

Then why are the Repubs so actively supporting her in this campaign? Why is Rushie telling his zombie legion to vote for her in the primaries? Because they, very correctly, believe she is more beatable than he is.

Some of us do remember the vitriolic, rabid hatred the right-wing, and a lot of moderate independents, has for the Clintons. Clinton is the best get-out-the-vote the Republicans have. They don't even have to be creative! All they have to do is dust off the old playbook.

McCain, who can afford to look magnanimous, is trying to get that nasty Wright=Obama ad pulled.

The party says no! Hah!

Rove on her mind...

It's amazing that Hillary and her tribe are so fond of preaching this new tactic of Barack's un-electability. The reason most of us Democrats didn't support her before 2008 (prior to her melt down) was ONLY because we knew how un-electable she is and thus explaining how bad the GOP wanted her to run. The memory of the Clinton-GOP Circus of the 1990s, despite Bill's many successes, is not forgotten. Rove's Machiavellian Lesson Number 1: Project your weakness on your opponent, thus distracting your guilt and ultimately removing the topic from further public debate through distraction and fatigue.

Unelectable..Who's to blame?

The nasty Wright=Obama ad came about thru Obama's own BAD JUDGEMENT...His Associations... No one to blame but Obama! Wright is Obama's religious inspirational friend, his mentor of Twenty Years! Mentor=Someone that influence' your hart, soul and mind. No one to blame but Obama and the party will continue to say no! Hah!

BS

Mrs. Bill Clinton's OWN pastor says that Wright is being treated unfairly by the press, being made into a caricature, and has done tremendous work on behalf of his community. I guess she'll be finding a new pastor since her present one isn't playing her game.

Clemsy Diggs......Stretching the Truth???

Don't you guys read the results of the election votes. It's been proven time after time Rush Limbaugh's Republican cross-over vote to Hillary is nonexistent!!! You guys have a habit of making up your own facts!!!

Thomas M.... Learn to Read

He told them. Whether they did or not isn't the point.

Clemsy Diggs

Your statement "Implied" that they had. If you say you didn't, why bring it up??

Thomas M

Wrong. I wouldn't have "implied." I would have stated. I can read factcheck.org better than you can read my post. Why bring it up? Because it's a relevant fact. let's see: Limabaugh wants republicans to vote for Hillary Clinton. Therefore he, and many other repub mouthpieces, would prefer McCain v. Clinton than McCain v. Obama and the polls are in agreement that he would fare better than she.

Do we need to continue with this single digit addition?

Please note: there is no Clinton bashing involved in this.

Clemsy Diggs

I don't take much stock in polls. They are all over the place from week to week. You said.....the polls are in agreement that he would fare better than she. McCain shouldn't be, but he is running neck & neck with Clinton & Obama. USA Today/Gallup 04/18 - 04/20 1016 A McCain 44% 50% Clinton +6% USA Today/Gallup 04/18 - 04/20 1016 A McCain 44% 47% Obama +3% Thanks for the no bashing.