Hillary and Her True Believers

P.M.: you wrote:

"Considering his financial advantage, the question ought to be, why can’t he close the deal?" asked Mrs. Clinton yesterday...." this brings to mind that old quote:

"Madam, before you flatter a man so grossly to his face, you should consider whether or not your flattery is worth his having." Dr.Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

Whats most glaring, (and gross), about all of Hills comments is: "Why can’t he win in a state like this?"---knowing full well why.

Unfortunately, its her followers who don't know why, or to be more precise, they go about dishonestly PRETENDING to not know why. Ladies and gentlemen, there is an 800 lb gorilla in Hillary's camp---and like the naked king of yore---nobody wants to tell the queen shes without clothing. It has become a media-wide phenomenon, most recently demonstrated by Keith Olbermann, who, one would have assumed....been more direct and forthright and called Hillary and her campaign tactics WHAT THEY ARE: RACIST! But alas, I have no such qualms, so I shall:

Among the HRC's female supporters is this notion that, somehow, it is SHE who has been maligned because of her gender. They then extend this argument by using a most tortured and convoluted logic that Blacks are/have not been persecuted (based on racism), as much as they (based on sexism). First of all, the comparison is a by-product of supremely lazy thinking, and racist-coded sub-text, and secondly, its just a plain, ol' LIE!

P.M. wrote:
"Not only that, her supporters seem to be in vast denial about the near absolute certainty of a Clinton loss to John McCain in the general, since she would have only a fraction of her party enthusiastically behind her and virtually none of the new or independent voters that Obama has inspired."

And THIS is the death-knoll of it all. The media pays lip-service to this reality---BUT, I ASSURE YOU, WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY---this snub will not go unpunished. No threat--just a common-sense observation. Whites (in this group Hillary has targeted---as hers) tend to disregard all others needs---EXCEPT THEIR OWN. The last two campaigns have been lost by Democrats pandering to this singular group at the dearth of others---particularly trying to use Repug tactics of appealing to their basest fears---and then, losing. As I said earlier, the Black base which is the most dependable, surest, and reliable of all groups within the party, have PAID THEIR DUES--and IT IS their (and our) time. Why? because the microcosm that is Hills current base, STILL want to deny the fact of Blacks having an equal place WITHIN THEIR PARTY (as they see it): (and Hillary will certainly not enlighten them to anything otherwise)

Hillarys white female base refuse to strain their self-deceptive little minds, I don't think NOT ONE OF THEM can find me a case-history, (or case law, for that matter), of a woman, a WHITE woman in particular,---(barring the many incidents that occurred to Black women in this regard)---being gang-raped--THEN LYNCHED for the hell of it. But I bet you--within 5 minutes-- I can find you pages of incidents regarding so-called white feminists' discrimination against their own darker 'sisters' This is no secret among black feminists--who decry the 'equality' of the white ones. One has only to look to the 'feminists' involved with Hillary---(Steinem, Ferraro)--these women do not support the realities of Black feminists---BECAUSE THEY SEE FEMINISM IN TERMS OF THEMSELVES ONLY---which in, and of, itself---is a form of discrimination. I speak only the truth here.

If some story is there---I'm waiting to hear it. History has many examples of massive voter fraud, poll-taxes, and deaths related to fighting for the right to vote among Black men & women. I'd like one of these HRC feminist-backers to find me ONE example of a white woman in the South, (or elsewhere), suffering the same.

Additionally, there is this pretzel logic precipitated by them that THIS IS THEIR TIME FOR A WOMAN---FOR THEY HAVE, SOMEHOW, "EARNED" IT---I beg to differ. Many of them were among the very whites who roared MIGHTILY that Jesse Jackson, altho verbally mesmerizing and gifted, was just NOT THE RIGHT BLACK---NOT YET---to be the first black president. Black folks bitterly disagreed, but sighed, and watched this same class of white people dismiss him. Then later, they cheered MIGHTILY WHEN Al Sharpton announced his bid for the same, altho linquistically savvy and the most logically articulate, among the whole lot of them (Bill Clinton included), this class of whites, again, declared he was just NOT THE RIGHT BLACK---NOT YET---to be the first black president. Again, Black folks bitterly disagreed, sighed at the injustice of it, because by this time,---they had witnessed the foolishness of the nominees whites selected as "THE CORRECT ONE"...and watched this same class of white people couch Sharpton as a warped radical; all the while watching the likes of Hart, and Dukakis, and Lieberman become the "proper choices" AND MAKE A MOCKERY OF THEIR LOGIC---AND BLACKS DID NOT WHINE---but they saw how the game was, once again, played against them. Then, here comes BILL CLINTON--the 'first black president'--the pudgy, smooth-talking, draft-dodging, Rhode scholar, SOUTHERN-bred son of Arkansas. reared in trailer-camps, surrounded by Blacks---he learned his southern sociology well---and played Black-folks like a six-string guitar. When it served his purpose--he played his political southern-boy, racist gambit even better---until it backfired; black people, possessing an extremely acute radar for racist innuendo--IMMEDIATELY read it for what it was--race-baiting. Now, he whines OBAMA SET HIM UP--and made those words come out of HIS----blue-blazes!

Now, comes the horseman that is WHITE WOMEN---and when someone tells THEM--while THEY cheer MIGHTILY for Hillary, altho she is 'tough', and 'experienced', and a 'leader'--from DAY 1--(all of which has been disproven and summarily dismissed), the ENTIRE body of the Democratic party whispers--shes just NOT THE RIGHT WOMAN---NOT YET---to be the first woman president, THEY want to skip that imaginary 'place in the line' ...and be given some sort of special, privileged place in said line----BECAUSE THEY FEEL--THEY ARE ENTITLED TO IT....white entitlement at its most obvious.....,which is STILL not the worst aspect of it---no---IT IS THE MEANS---by which they hope to accomplish it.

HRC has screeched her subliminal screed to all their most base, rudimentary, tribal and primal fears, that is, THEY are coming to take our (fill in the blank). But Hillary of Arc, Mary Magdalyn, and Ms. Messiah....all dressed in the air of Marie Antoinette--(screw 'em, Bill--let 'em eat cake)--- will come like a cartoon--Mickey Mouse--to save the day. SHE will make sure those "elitist, young, effete Blacks" will not 'embitter' them, nor, take their guns, nor will she let those evil Latinos--coming 'cross the border to disenfranchise them, to take their place in the line for the $3.50 an hour job--that THEY were waiting for since 5 A.M.-----Super-Hill...LIES faster than a speeding bullet; more powerful than a Lie left unexposed; able to spew tall-tales in a single burst, yes, Super-Hill--fights for un-truths, injustice, and the American Flag pin--(made in China)....as long as you remember..to vote for Hill--and NO ONE ELSE---or she'll guide these fools to McCains 'light'---and conquer all evils in 2012. Many of them are so delusional---they already envision her as some sort of 'fighter for their cause', all this, from a multi-million dollar, maiden of mock muck. To wit, here is a comment posted by one of her "loyalist" just the other day:

"The war in Bosnia ended mysteriously suddenly. I would not be surprised if Hillary partook in some excursions that were not totally covered by the media. In other words I think so much of her I imagine her as some sort of secret agent dodging bullets and then having the professionalism to take the media hit rather than reveal things she can't reveal."
(Submitted by cooler on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 8:52pm.)

This borders on 'creepy'. But, as if they had the ability to, somehow, step into the only beam of lamp-light on a darkened slum street, and hopefully, channel her essence--this fool went on to say:

"Either that or I can fully understand how Hillary might have subconsciously imagined herself under enemy sniper fire and come to confuse it with real life because of all the shit that is thrown at her ever minute of every day from every corner. She fully deserves to perceive herself as having come under enemy sniper fire ..."

To which I have no reply, but to quote P.M.:

"Their denial is stunning, downright breathtaking and most of all, just plain sad and not a little embarrassing......' AMEN

Obama will not win against McSame in November so it's only prudent to let the person who can beat McSame take the nomination. So many people on this board are willing to discount Florida so their MAN can roll through the White House on training wheels, well good luck with that. If you need to eliminate some of the voters so you can win, your candidate is weaker than you imagine. Florida will be counted or Florida will choose McSame. If Florida chooses McSame so will Ohio, Indiana, maybe Pennsylvania? Most of the states Obama won will vote for McSame, this is a given. So why are people so stuck on nominating a loser? Get over the illusion, get a grip, Uppity Obama can't win in Blue Collar Country, therefore he can not be President.

Keep those attacks coming Obama supporters because when and if your guy wins the nomination, the Clinton supporters will remember all this kindness you have shown to them and their candidate and reward you as you so justly deserve by staying home. You think we are delusional? Here's another shovel, just keep digging that hole for your guy.

It's time for Ms. Clinton to see that she's lost and drop out now. The longer she stays in and stirs up crap to cast against Mr. Obama, the more I'm sure I will never vote for her in the fall, should she manage to steal the nomination.

Hillary, you and Bill have had a good run. Time to go home now. Be a good Senator, disassociate yourself once again from faux Democrats like Joe Lieberman. Or .. stay in and suffer the same fate he has. Be labeled a joke, a suck up... unless of course you really are part of Richard Mellon Scaife's crowd. In which case, I'll be doubly happy NOT to vote for you.

Maybe 80% of Hillary's supporters believe the race is winnable is because anytime Hillary or one of her surrogates appears on air they continuously repeat the lie that this is a "close" or "tight" race. I bet if you asked someone in the Hillary campaign what their shoe size is, they'd lie.

I have come to detest Hillary Clinton, who is very busily trying to spread mental illness while Barack Obama runs for president, but one of the few things we run into in our daily lives that I detest more than Hillary Clinton is curmudgeonry, and today's posting is getting mighty close to the edge. The curmudgeon's goal is to spread disillusionment and apathy, and what I see here doesn't lead anywhere but to disillusionment and apathy. It's harmful, it sickens me, and it ought to be stopped now before it can increase the harm caused by Hillary Clinton's selfishness. It is not difficult to be negative and/or pessimistic without inciting disillusionment and apathy; I do it all the time. I leave methodology as an exercise to the writer. (Why only close to the edge of curmudgeonry? To be fully a curmudgeon, one also, perhaps, should tend to be negative even about positive developments.)

Hilary has a chance as long as elections are rigged, as in NH. Check out bradlog.com, proof that Friedman is not synomonous with evil.

I read a piece this morning by a reporter who formed his own unscientific analysis of what makes the Hillary believers click, he had a group of women Hillary supporters from various states that he interviewed to gain his perspectives. The consensus within the group was: 1.)media gender bias, 2.)unfair negative attacks against Hillary by the Obama campaign, 3.)Obama is getting a free ride. Most of the women from this group feel that gender bias represents a deeper social obstacle than race and that black men have a far better chance of reaching the presidency sooner than a woman. As a person who's lived the American black experience for nearly 60 years I can't tell you how difficult it is for me to find that there are people thinking this way. Rosa Parks had to give up her seat on the bus to white folks, both white men and women, gender was of no benefit to her. My mother and grandmother worked as domestics for white families where the wives benefited from their labor in ways that black women did not. I find it deeply offensive that these people could honestly believe that race is not the ultimate social red line. I'd like to remind Hillary's cult of worshipers that while they criticize Senator Obama for complaining ( he's not done so )about the heated attacks, didn't Hillary know going in that she might face at least some gender bias? why are her supporters whining about something they had to know might show itself? I haven't heard a word from Barack Obama complaining about the issue of his race being made a topic.

I agree if the Dems lose this election there will not be a reason for a Democratic party. We will be a one party country and time will be better spent building the old Rockefeller/Weiker Liberal wing of the Republican party. Third parties do not work in our stupid system. The big problem is not just Clinton's hubris; it is the U.S. hubris that we cannot learn form the other democratic republics. Yes we need to move to a parliamentary system so that we could have truly ideological parties and coalitions like a mature republic. We always assume since we had the first modern democratic republic we don't need to learn from anyone. I would support Hillary EXCEPT for the campaign she has run. This campaign was what we needed in 2004 but she would not take on an incumbent President. She rejected the "Draft Hillary" movement of 2003. Obama heard his country call and ran. Clinton heard her country call and thought she had a better chance in 2008 so she blew it off. That is all I need to know about her.

Just ask Bill!

"Obliterate?!?!?"
What kind of talk is this?
Clinton is sounding more like Barry Goldwater, her first political hero, in 1964.

This is inflammatory talk. It's one thing for Democrats to support Israel, it's quite something else to threaten to "obliterate" another country if it attacks Israel.

What is Clinton thinking? Is she thinking that it's just loose campaign trail talk and no one will take it too seriously or is she serious?

Either way how do you defend it?

Clinton partisans - what do you say?

Colleen Clark
Cambridge, MA

Ashes to your taste, Sand in your eyes. Hillary won by 10% when she is supposed to quit according to you. Tell the Democratic Party in Pennsylvania to quit. Tell the Democratic Party in NY, NJ,CA,TX,OH, NM, NV,AZ, FL.MA,MI,MN,MO,to quit.The East Coast,the West Coast ,the Gulf states, the Sun Belt and the Rust Belt all belong to Hillary. Take those away from Obama and you have no Democratic Party to support him. Tell the core Democrats that we don't care what they say they are to vote for the new boy on the block. We don't care that they have put Democrats in office everywhere for years and that we expect them now to be ignores and not only to vote for someone new but to vote for the super delegates in November who now will ignore their voice.Hillary is the candidate of the Democratic Party.Obama should run as an Independent and see how much support he gets from the Democrats.Daschel,Kennedy ,Kerry etc. are not Democrats they are Liberals.Wealthy liberals at that.

... what the Keystone State results indicate is that neither really ought be our candidate.

Gore/Edwards won once, why not again?

I'm a 48 year old black women. I have been voting for Dems for over 15 years. This year I will not be voting. This primary has open up my eyes. The truth is that this country is not ready to vote for a black man, plain and simple. I will not be voting for anymore White folks until this problem with this county is solve. The problem is not only why havn't Obama close the deal, but why havn't Hillary close the deal. Obama is running against a former President and first lady. Wheather he get the nomation or not, he is still a winner to get this far. the bar has been raise so high for him. How can Hillary supports say that she doesn't care about people and still vote for her. Easy - she in not a black man...

That could be said of either candidate's supporters! The radical left is not any better, since they just assume that if Obama is nominated he will win against McCain. Most people are better informed about Obama's life prior to being a candidate. He carries a lot of baggage. The bad thing is that the Obama supporters and the radical left has thrown all other of the candidates out the windows with their smear campaigns. The radical left will not win as most people do not support the radical right or radical left. A third party needs to be organized with views that support the majority of Americans. The party of the Democrats has become a hate filled and bitter organization of political opportunists.

...where I change my bumpersticker from "Anyone but a Republican" to "Go, lemmings, go!"

I suppose it was just an accident that the two democrats with the least chance of beating any republican are now fighting to ensure the republicans win by solidifying the red south and west based upon their race and gender prejudices.