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Hillary Clinton's Sad and Desperate Pounce

THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

How perfectly demagogic, which is so typically democratic.

Barack Obama utters a less than attractive truth about the American working class which historians, sociopsychologists, anthropologists, theologians, economists and political scientists have been writing for decades and his opponent pounces with feigned outrage and panders with saccharine homilies.

Should Sen. Obama fail to make it to the White House, it will only be by virtue of his being too damned dumb to know he's too damned smart for the Reagan Democrat crowd.

His heresy? By now, I'm sure, you know it well. Obama was being honestly, historically analytical:

In a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it....

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

I defy any self-respecting social or economic or political historian to find one dram of intellectual fault with any part of that passage. Obama, they would all tell you, nailed in a few sentences the industrial and postindustrial socio-political history of working-class Americans. They are bitter because they have indeed been "beaten down" for generations and in response they do cling to comforting irrelevancies and scapegoats.

That's what keeps them beaten down. And when they aren't distracting themselves by their own devices they've always had mawkish demagogues to distract them further and tell them that the harm they've been doing to themselves has been just the right medicine.

I give you, in spades, the prodigiously mawkish and Yale-educated demagogue Hillary Clinton, who finds Obama's intellectual truth to be "elitist":

It's being reported that my opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who've faced hard times are bitter. Well, that's not my experience. As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves. They're working hard every day for a better future for themselves and their children. Pennsylvanians don't need a president who looks down on them. They need a president who stands up for them, who fights for them ...

... and who feeds their self-defeating prejudices and who perpetuates the comforting irrelevancies and who yearns to extol at the anti-intellectual drop of an opportunistic hat the uncommon brilliance of the common man, whose very brilliance has kept him wretchedly disadvantaged for generation upon generation.

But Hillary wasn't through. There was more humbug to come -- parts of which Hillary may actually believe, but it's all too maudlin to distinguish the opportunism from the genuine appraisal:

I grew up in a church-going family, a family that believed in the importance of living out and expressing our faith. The people of faith I know don’t "cling to" religion because they’re bitter. People embrace faith not because they are materially poor, but because they are spiritually rich.

Well, isn't that precious. I am positively weepy eyed.

Hillary, the people I know cling to their religion because a) their parents did; b) they've never examined other faiths or the liberating merits of agnosticism or deistic secularism; and c) above all it gives them some slim hope of eternal justice in the celestial aftermath of disingenuous politicians who have cheated them out of social justice on Earth and, when convenient, propelled unprovoked wars.

And still she wasn't through. As the NY Times reports this morning: "Although she has been a strong supporter of gun control in the past, urging Congress to 'buck the gun lobby' as first lady, Mrs. Clinton said, 'Americans who believe in the Second Amendment believe it’s a constitutional right.'"

It really is true. If we didn't know it before we now have transcribed proof supporting the unambiguous knowledge that there is absolutely nothing this woman won't say to finagle a vote.

This will all pass, of course, since the demands of electoral ignorance and blind outrage already have Obama backpedaling: "I didn't say it as well as I should have.... The truth is that these traditions that are passed on from generation to generation, those are important. That's what sustains us" -- which was delivered with all the heartfelt conviction of Paul Newman in the quasi-election knife-fight scene in "Butch Cassidy." 

But not before Hillary does indeed get a bump by bamboozling a few more voters.

How perfectly demagogic, and so sadly democratic. 

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THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter


Obama's mistake

I sit here with my shotgun in hand, reading my bible,and thinking about those damn immigrants. On second thought I think I'll go about my business. This is typical, Obama puts his foot in his mouth and it's all Hillary's fault. I don't understand this syndrome, please explain. bill from ct

The liar

I have no doubt that within the next week Mrs. Bill Clinton will tell a wildly cheering audience that she was the first Amish woman to work in the Pennsylvania coal mines. And her fans will believe it.

And yet...

I agree that Mrs. Clinton has shamelessly jumped down Obama's throat for this gaffe (and may well be overplaying her hand) but I do see this as a true gaffe, nonetheless. Because, even if what Mr. Obama said is "true" to the extent that individuals can fit into sociological theories, most individuals who felt they were referenced would be insulted by the language used and, I think, rightly so. I know that when I hear 'Volvo-driving, brie-eating, Birkenstock-wearing liberal' tossed out, I'm offended. Not because I don't like brie or Birkenstocks, but because I don't like to be categorized or generalized - even accurately - thank you very much. I find most people react similarly and a good politician knows not to insult people whose votes he hopes to win. I don't believe it will sink him, but it was impolitic and it did give the Republicans a powerful sound bite for the general. Hopefully, Mr. Obama will demonstrate his very short learning curve and not make this sort of mistake again.

Obama's words

Maybe the problem was that as Obama was speaking he was distracted by the sniper fire in Bosnia, bringing peace to Northern Ireland, solving the Macedonian refugee crisis, opposing NAFTA, leading the UN Conference on Women, and not knowing that Marc Penn was working for Colombia. It could happen to anyone.

Obama's Words

No, he just left his teleprompter at home.

Obama's words

I already told you to leave. Do it.

Is this message hope, change or let's bring everyone together?

Until they change this to bettysdad.com, don't waste your time. Which Obama message are you hope, change or let's bring everyone together?

Actually,

it's let's put the lying, right-wing Mrs. Bill Clinton and her ignorant supporters in the Republican party where they belong. I have absolutely zero interest in bringing people together. I want the total destruction of the right. And anyone who finds that disturbing should tell me exactly what has been accomplished by "peace, love and understanding?"

really?

Now that's honest, but unrealistic thinking. I don't have a problem with that. bill from ct

Only in America

Only in America can a middle class biracial man from Chicago be considered an elitist while rich white sons and daughters of presidents, senators, and oil barons be considered the common man. This country is a fuking joke and the media is human excrement. If Obama does not become president it will be another blight on the people of America. And the continued decline of the average American's life will be well deserved. Hillary is a lying piece of shite opportunist who cares nothing about this country, only about acquiring personal power. She will throw the Democratic party and the future of America in the trash bin if SHE can't be president. Rush, O'reilly, Hannity, Coulter, Bush, McCain, and Hillary; all birds of a feather.

...flock together!

...and now Hillary and Bill are gathering their feathers in the Fox News nest - odd bedfellows indeed.

Correct answers

Democracy has always been smothered by authoritarianism through a technique as simple as it is insidious. It’s the technique of promoting/accepting a single correct answer. Fundamentalists accept the inviolability of the received Word, dazed and confused citizens accept the manichean notion that you’re either with us or against us, you’re a patriot or a terrorist, and all this single-correct-answer bullshit is the modus of most classrooms in America. “Only one of these multiple choices is correct.” Going along with “what the authorities tell us” is, let’s face it, a hell of a lot easier than thinking.

Correct answers

Democracy has always been smothered by authoritarianism through a technique as simple as it is insidious. It’s the technique of promoting/accepting a single correct answer. Fundamentalists accept the inviolability of the received Word, dazed and confused citizens accept the manichean notion that you’re either with us or against us, you’re a patriot or a terrorist, and all this single-correct-answer bullshit is the modus of most classrooms in America. “Only one of these multiple choices is correct.” Going along with “what the authorities tell us” is, let’s face it, a hell of a lot easier than thinking.

what us poor folks cling to

we also cling to alcohol, meth, and "lost" reruns, but it's because obama's right. where we live, the last 25 years have been a economic sleigh ride down the toilet. but if she thinks she can pull the wool over our eyes AGAIN, she's got another think coming. she and her "husband" did their fair share "betwen the bushes," as it were. we tore down even more factories and built even more prisons around here under clinton than we have bush. btw: she also promised more cops. and they won't be policing her and mccain's huntin' and fishin' buddies. after she gets over that boilermaker, she can explain how that free trade deal with colombia's going create jobs IN AMERICA. see more at http://politiqs.tommyjonq.com

Silver foot-in-mouth disease

Can you imagine how a woman who with her husband made $110,000,000 in 7 years, and a man who with his wife owns 8 luxury homes from her inherited BEER fortune can possibly imagine they can get away with labeling a 46-year old black guy who just paid off his school loans with the term "Elitist"?? Some things are painful, like the downcast working class losers in our new "World Economy", but those losers should see that their fortune lies with a candidate who understands something about them. A son of working class mother and a Kenyan father, who grew up without his support on a shoestring, then worked his way through mounting school debts and low paying community organizing jobs to finally owning a condo and making a decent living can feel thier pain. Not so with his opponents, who have lived in comfortable bubbles all their lives, NEVER feeling financial despair or worry (other than for their mismanaged campaigns). SO for them to call him an elitist is of course elitist, since the shallowness of such a claim demonstrates the low regard for the losers whose votes they covet, but whose company they despise.

Attacking the Messenger

People complain that politicians don't "talk real" and tell them the truth. When one does, people complain. Go figure.

People are bitter -- this is another one of those topics that no one wants to talk about. Certainly McCain and Clinton don't want to really talk about it and instead they attack Obama, because they have to attack him. The reason people are angry and bitter is they don't feel Washington pols pay them anything more than lip service and ignore their problems. McCain and Clinton -- long-time Washington pols both -- can't agree with this because it would be admitting their own failures. So they go on the attack. Obama is right. The angry, bitter people know it, the other pols know it, the MSM knows it, we all know it. And still, no one really wants to talk about it, except the angry, bitter people. But even they no longer want to talk because, well, no one listens. Great pickle we're all in. And it holds great potential for another speech from Obama to address yet another "don't ask don't tell" topic.

Thanks for fighting the "Politics as usual"...

Yes, the "Politics as usual" strikes again. They take a snippet out of an entire speech and post just the allegedly condemning words or sound bite. Americans with short attentions spans won't mind. The politics and press of Reagan, Bush, Sr., Atwater, Clinton, Carville, W, Rove, Hillary, Fox, CNN and the internet wantabes plus the mainstream IQ siphons continue to play Americans for being a fool. Obama's campaign of change speaks for the end of this insult to America's intelligence and the end of 30 years of "Politics as usual."

Here is the transcript of Obama's Remarks at San Francisco Fundraiser Sunday, April 11, 2008:


factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/04/11/transcript_of_obamas_remarks_a.php

OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people are most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing. Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is so we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- to close tax loopholes, uh you know uh roll back the tax cuts for the top 1%, Obama's gonna give tax breaks to uh middle-class folks and we're gonna provide healthcare for every American.
But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.


http://thepage.time.com/transcript-of-obamas-remarks-at-san-francisco-fundraiser-sunday/


Incriminating? Elitist? Alarming? Hell NO! This is common sense talk to the American people just like his speech on race relations. But the “Politics as usual” ilk feed off their own ignorance and stupidity. THE VICIOUS CYCLE HAS TO BE BROKEN!


OBAMA is our last, best chance. Keep fighting the battle or the idiots win…

Who says Obama is Wrong?

I know two who oppose everything Obama says.

One is my younger brother. Another is one of my sons. Both voted for Bush twice!

OK, why is Obama wrong?

My brother says it's because he is too Librul. Libruls hate religion and want to take away his guns.

My son is a corporate lawyer. Nuff said?

Both voted for Hillary in the primaries. Both will vote for McCain in the fall.

What Obama said is absolutely correct. Hillary may hurt him, but she can't help herself. Her campaign continues only because the Scaifes and Murdocks who gave us Bush and their policies, wish to give us more of their policies with whomsoever they can buy.

So, if you have thoroughly enjoyed the war, the decline in living standard, the continuing lack of good jobs, the decline in our educational quality, and the disasterous economic developments of the past few years, oppose the man who wants to change that. Clinton or McCain will serve equally well.

"And it's not surprising then they get bitter"

Maybe Obama should have used a qualifier, saying something like: "IF the people of Pa are bitter after 25 years of .. blah, blah, blah, then they have a right to be. IF they cling to guns, or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations, can you blame them?" and so on. Instead of being declarative (which in some eyes makes him elitist) he should have been speculative (which takes the edge off his statement).

P.M.--your comment about working people is also off target

you quote Hillary: ..."They need a president who stands up for them, who fights for them ..." Then you comment: "... and who feeds their self-defeating prejudices and who perpetuates the comforting irrelevancies and who yearns to extol at the anti-intellectual drop of an opportunistic hat the uncommon brilliance of the common man, whose very brilliance has kept him wretchedly disadvantaged for generation upon generation." This is my objection: it is not the witlessness of the common man (your sarcastic reference to his "uncommon brilliance"...which in your view has "kept him wretchedly disadvantaged for generation upon generation." What? What happened to your analysis? The very one you were just praising Obama for having?? Where one percent of the population owns 1/3rd of the wealth, a structure of poverty and a working class surplus of cheap labor are a "natural" outcome. Perhaps you are referring to the failure of the working class to see this, and to see how it pits victim against victim, and rise up against it, rather than seek solace in what is right in front of them. If so, then decry the failure of the middle class as well, as it clings to its SUVs, suburbs, and its own worldview that justifies apathy. It is classic "blaming the victim" to insult the intelligence of working people, and identify their level of intelligence as the reason for "being wretchedly disadvantaged for generation upon generation." Wretched disadvantage is conscious social policy of those who control the economic, political, and information systems of our nation. Capital follows cheap labor. It was inevitable that disinvestment in those regions would happen, as long as our nation's decision makers are from, and beholden to, the same social class as this nation's prime beneficiaries. Analyze the corporate welfare kings, not their subjects. You are right that Obama had it right. He described a complex reality, as he did in his speech about race. It is a shame he had to back off from both. trudy

Nobody was blaming the victim

I'm originally from rural Pennsylvania, so I checked in on the chat boards of some of the small town newspapers from my area (southwestern PA). What I find is people who state, and this is nearly a quote, that they really shouldn't vote against big business and the wealthy, because they are the ones who provide them (the rural blue collar folks) with jobs. So they do see this as a natural outcome and can be, in fact, thankful that someone is giving them work.

At the same time, I see other postings -- and this one is a direct quote: "I always vote the second amendment." This was in a thread about how rough things are in a former steel mill town. People talked about welfare, food stamps, and the primary election. Self-described "conservative Democrats," they don't like any of the candidates, but most say they will vote for McCain because, well, he's conservative. Many said they aren't voting at all, because it won't make any difference. They all said they want someone who will be good for Pennsylvania and those who plan to vote want to determine who that is. "good ole boy" then chimed in with his second amendment criteria for a president. Another noted that abortion is the cause of all the problems in this country and stated that her vote would be along that issue. I think "cling" describes it well. It always has, even when I lived there 35 years ago.

And they talked about being mad as hell. Angry. Comments on the "bitter" word ranged from yes to hell yes, and a few who said no, I'm not bitter, but I wouldn't exactly say I'm happy.

No one is insulting anyone's intelligence. However, consider this:

"Wretched disadvantage is conscious social policy of those who control the economic, political, and information systems of our nation. Capital follows cheap labor. It was inevitable that disinvestment in those regions would happen, as long as our nation's decision makers are from, and beholden to, the same social class as this nation's prime beneficiaries."

Say what? This is how politicans typically try to talk to the American public. Rural blue collar folks hear this, sigh, and walk away. Talk about an insult to their intelligence. These people want plain talk (and frankly, so do I).

Bitter and angry because all their jobs have been sent overseas by big business that wants to keep the profits rolling; frustrated because no one listens; cling to divisive issues because they don't believe their votes will count for anything else; cling to the things that they know they can count on, like religion and family. Sounds like plain talk to me. Sounds like something everyone can understand. Sounds like the kind of talk that gets real discourse going and can actually bring out into the open a topic that no one wants to talk about.

Waiting to be censored

Am I allowed to say that you are a elitist asshole? and just like Obama you will never get it. When Obama goes to a dairy farm in Iowa and says, "have you seen how expensive the arugula is at the Whole Foods? When he refuses to have a Philly cheesesteak In Pa and then goes into a diner and when the owner comes with a big smile and a cup of coffee, he says "I prefer orange juce." he is looking down his nose at average Americans. When you insult people for voting against their own interests, you understimate, just as Obama has, the importance of religion, guns etc., as things they truly believe in. Bush may be a moron as a President but he got "having a beer with someone." meant respecting the average Joe. Its not what you believe or that you have become so enlightened on everything that is important. You have to meet people where they are not diparage who they are. Hillary gets that. Your statement may get raves from Obama people but it just reinforces the elitism you have toward everyone else.

We get it

I must be an elitist because I see all the spelling, grammar and syntax errors you make. You've been posting for quite a long time, and we all know that you're just another politically ignorant Clinton supporter. (Sorry about the redundancy) Can't you just stop posting the same repetitious nonsense and go watch reruns of "Bowling for Dollars?"

Thanks

Thanks for proving my point...

Your welcome

I wonder if there's any lie Mrs. Bill Clinton will tell that people like you won't believe?

Oh geez

I just read the rest of your post. If all you can come up with to attack Obama is that he declined coffee in favor of orange juice, then you're the kind of voter I truly fear. Issues -- remember those? -- are usually what people use as a basis for their vote. And spare me the Bush-as-common-man sermon. We agree on one thing: he's a moron. But he gets it? Right. That's why he's done so much for the people he understands. That's why he will veto a bill to help them with the mortgage crisis. That's why he sends them a check, tells them to go shopping and calls it a plan to save the failing economy. That's why he allows the oil companies to reap obscene profits off the backs of working people. That's why he lets drug companies dictate Medicare policy and not negotiate drug prices so that fixed income elderly can keep feeding the greedy mouths of Big Pharma. That's why he sends everyone else's kids off to a meat grinder war of choice so they can come home in body bags. Good grief, I don't believe I've ever seen so much respect for the average Joe! Respect? Please tell me that you're a troll, because that's the only explanation for such absolute nonsensical garbage.

By the way, Bush can't have a beer. He's a drunk, remember?

Please stop spreading untruths

Iowa farmers grow arugula, and a lot of other so-called gourmet crops, including purple cauliflower, red carrots, and multicolored potatoes. Where, pray tell, do you think these vegetables come from but from farm country? One of the nation's largest specialty gourmet herb farms is located in a very rural area of extremely conservative Florida farm land not far from where I now live. It's farm country. They grow things there. Arugula is also sold at many Iowa supermarkets -- even though there are no Whole Foods -- and from farmers markets and roadside stands. And, Obama did not make this statement at a dairy farm.

Please see documentation of the above here:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200708280009

An Urban Legend

Smears like this stick. The reason that they stick is because most people do not bother to do the underlying research behind a statment. They would rather parrot a soundbyte they heard or read. While the current limited number of opinions available from the MSM and reigning punditocracy are bad, bloggers who spread half-truths and unvetted statements are worse. Why? Because the MSM picks up info from this. I guess that it is better to keep one's mouth shut and be suspected of being ignorant, rather than opening one's mouth and making it painfully evident. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/13/123920/673/418/494855

And ANOTHER DLC-Luvvin Hillaryinista Strikes!

Obama is absolutely correct - and Hillary is sinking even lower in her desperate scramble to Be The First Woman President Regardless of Principle...if that's possible.... And I'm the nephew and grandson of farmers from the Dakotas, and the son of an Army Sergeant!

As a hick from Ioway I'd like to say...

...your post is about the stupidest load of horse manure I've ever read at BuzzFlash.com, gabbyone.

I didn't call you a hick, Mr. Ioway

I happen to have roots from both Iowa and PA and I can tell you that I had communication from both sides today and my farming cousin in IA and my PA cousin who is a physician both told me that everyone at their churches this morning were very angry about Obama's comments. They are both rural folks and having spent lots of time in both of those areas, hunting is important to them and church is something they never miss and not just on Sundays. They don't turn to it because they are bitter or mad at their government. It is part of their culture and everyday life. Many of the people who live in rural PA are Reagan Democrats. In recent years, the Democratic Party has nominated a succession of what they saw as elite intellectuals for the Presidency. Those elections were lost because Reagan Democrats voted against them. Barack Obama is merely the latest example of this mistake. I didn't call you a hick Mr. Ioway, but I think a lot of people today would feel that Senator Obama did. I find it interesting that you didn't tell me what I said that was wrong just flung a little manure my way.

Whatever

Your spelling seems to have improved, not so with your thinking. Democrats didn't lose because they saw the candidates as "elite intellectuals." They were told by the Republicans and their media whores that they "WERE" elite intellectuals. And those same idiots, and yes they are, are believing the same crap from the crypto-Republican Hillary and the media. No one that thinks for themselves falls for this stuff.

I'm not so sure Hillary's

I'm not so sure Hillary's attacks won't backfire. Check out this new website www.bittervoters.org. I saw it posted at jack and jill politics. "We Live In Amazing Times - BitterVoters.org Within days, someone has set up this website, and it's reached the front page of Digg. Talk about rapid response. Not from a campaign, but from a citizen. That's incredible."

I posted this on my blog yesterday, 04/12/08

I guess Hillary's ready to go out and slop some hogs, chew some chaw, noodle some catfish and maybe, just maybe, talk Chelsea into enlisting in the All Volunteer Force because it's such a great job opportunity.

I had the TV on during breakfast this morning and caught the tail-end of some ridiculousness about Hillary Clinton and John McCain's campaign saying that Barack Obama insulted small-town, under- and unemployed Pennsylvanians for pointing out that these people are in fact bitter and cynical after twenty-five years of political pandering, outsourcing, layoffs, tax breaks for the rich and a no-win war where their kids go to die.

But these good Pennsylvanians aren't bitter, responds Ms. Clinton. They're just happy-go-lucky "folks" who think that stocking shelves and chasing down shopping carts in the parking lot is the best job in the world, now that the steel mill moved it's operations to Bongo-Congo in order to remain competative in a worldwide "free market" economy.

Certainly these non-bitter, resilient optimists know how Ms Clinton fought for workers' rights during her six-year tenure as board member and general counsel for Wal Mart. And they must also know she fought her husband, Bill, tooth and nail over the ratification of NAFTA. http://simplyernest.blogspot.com/

not a dram of untruth in Obama's speech?

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. In Obama's speeches 'against' NAFTA, he's said he doesn't know if free trade is wrong or that it should be stopped. NAFTA and the WTO and 'free trade' is why their jobs are gone. Obama and the Dems of 2006 were elected on a platform to end the war, and to bring our jobs back. They've done neither, and you only have to read David Sirota's articles, among others, to know that they could have. Obama is better than Hillary on these issues, but he's still a part of the problem.

religious

There is a difference between being religious, or following a specific religion, and "clinging to" religion. Carpenter needs to get out more, meet more people. But what Senator Obama said is absolutely correct. Fundamentalism in particular appeals to people who are desperate. It does not mean that they are bad people or have a character defect -- it is more a reflection of not being offered realistic opportunities. Many would love to roll up their sleeves and work hard for a better future if all of their past efforts had not been in vain.

Can someone explain to me

Can someone explain to me the difference between being religious and clinging to religion?

I'll explain it

"Religious" means you follow the tenets of a certain religion. "Clinging to religion" means you believe your religion is important to other people, and should effect public policy.

On the subject of "clinging"

My first reaction is that the word "clinging" has a bit of a negative conotation, as if one is observing that someone seems "needy" or not quite strong enough to handle setbacks without a crutch. I believe at least 8 out of 10 people (according to some polls) consider themselves religious, but if I had to guess I'd say fewer would admit to "clinging" to their religion, perhaps because it might be construed as an admission of weakness. Just a thought.

Promises, promises

Promises of a glorious after life in reward for a lifetime of being used like a mule has worked wondrously for 2000 years.

Why stop now?

Unless, of course, you belong to the Christian wing which claims that becoming wealthy and treating others like mules is a virtue.

If this sounds like a game of kings and pawns... it is.