The more presumptive Barack Obama's nomination becomes -- which should serve to unify and strengthen the party -- the more presumptuous Hillary Clinton's campaign becomes -- which serves only to divide and weaken the party. But whether you find that bilateral paradox frustrating or fatiguing, you have to admit the Clinton camp's singular presumptuousness is also quite fascinating. In itself it has become our political "Show of Shows," pretty much the only thing readers care to read, or viewers view.
I give you, case in point, Clinton camp-follower Gov. Ed Rendell, who appeared yesterday on "Meet the Press" only to utter some of the most manifestly absurd, politically presumptuous rhetoric ever to hit the airwaves. And that's saying a lot. Even the normally unflappable Tim Russert was ... flapped?
The fun began when host Russert asked surrogate Rendell what the former foolishly framed as a "simple question" -- that being if superdelegates might still reject every known model of democratic leverage and hand the nomination to the loser, Hillary. Rendell was positively perky in his provisional deception: "Sure," Tim. "It depends on what trends are happening. And number one, Hillary Clinton's ahead in electoral votes, states carried with the most electoral votes, number one. Number two, popular vote, I think the popular vote will narrow decidedly in the next seven or eight contests. And if you count Florida and Michigan, in truth, Hillary Clinton would've won the popular vote."
At that, Russert went as ballistic as NBC's legal department permits. It was, as they say, a hoot: "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait," bleated Russert. "Stop there. Stop there, Governor, because Senator Clinton tried that yesterday, in terms of [moving] the goalposts. This is what she said in Oregon about Florida and Michigan." And this, indeed, is what she said:
"Now, some say their votes should be ignored and that the popular vote in Michigan and Florida should just be discounted. Well, I have a different view. The popular vote in Florida and Michigan has already been counted. It was determined by election results. It was certified by election officials in each state. It's been officially tallied by the secretary of state in each state."
Russert then reminded Rendell of what Hillary said last year: "You know, it's clear this election they're having in Michigan is not going to count for anything." Not only that, Russert then quoted Rendell on Rendell from that far saner era: "You can't make any argument in Michigan because Hillary was the only person who was on the ballot. I'm as avid a Hillary supporter as there is, but I don't think we can make an argument in Michigan."
So Russert had him dead to rights, right? No way out? Cornered like a rodent pol? Not really, because Rendell's absolute perfection of presumptuousness had yet to kick in. "I think," he began with questionable wording, "that I was talking about seating the delegates. You can't seat the delegates in Michigan because she had no one on the ballot against her. You certainly should seat the delegates from Florida, where she won by 300,000 votes.... But we can ... settle it right now. Let's revote in Michigan and Florida. We're willing. The Clinton campaign is willing to test our popular vote mandate. Let's revote in Florida and Michigan. What's wrong with that?"
I hope you've made it this far, for we've now arrived at the best, most staggeringly presumptuous part. Russert: "But, Governor, I want to make sure I got this down. You've said you can't seat the delegates in Michigan, but you can count the popular vote, even though Obama wasn't on the ballot?"
OK. Are you ready for this? Rendell: "Right, because, Tim, you're running against yourself. That's the hardest thing. You can ask any politician. What's the hardest contest to run against? It's [for instance] Bob Casey vs. we don't like Bob Casey. [Yet] Hillary Clinton got 55 percent of the vote in Michigan."
Now I put it to you: Have you ever heard anything so stupendously idiotic? What Gov. Rendell just said, in all purported sincerity, is that the toughest political race for any pol is the one in which he or she runs unopposed. Go ahead, just ask any politician.
These are the sordidly argumentative lengths the Clinton camp is willing to go; the demagogic depths to which it's willing to sink. Even "presumptuous" fails to capture their intelligence-insulting essence.
You may have noted that Rendell also contradicted his own candidate in calling for a revote, since she has already pronounced the illegitimate popular-vote counts as "certified," "officially tallied" and therefore, mutatis mutandis, legitimate.
And just to muddy up the waters even more, in suggesting that revotes should be staged -- even though, remember, the original votes are now "certified" -- Rendell innocently asked, "What's wrong with that?" Actually, such fork-tongued graciousness harbors a huge but never-mentioned, what's-wrong-with-that problem. At this point, even if technically possible a revote in either state would be a grossly unfair fight, since vast swaths of voters in both states have been unceasingly brainwashed by one camp that the other camp much prefers to exclude their voice. That underhanded toothpaste can't be put back in the tube. Had Clinton never contrived it as an issue, a revote might indeed be a plausible if not the proper thing to do. But not now.
What is clearer today than yesterday is that Obama will be the nominee, and tomorrow that will be even clearer. That is no longer the issue or concern. The real problem now arising for the Democratic Party is that Hillary is toiling to convince a critically marginal number of her supporters that Obama's coming nomination will not be on the up-and-up -- that it was, in mysteriously assorted ways, stolen, and that "They was robbed."
In short, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-NY, is systematically delegitimizing the Democratic Party's presidential nominee. I have never seen anything like it -- and it is genuinely fascinating in all its paradoxical squalor.





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Clinton's bizarre statements
I saw Hillary Clinton this morning on CNN. She is truly amazing in her ability to not answer the questions asked of her. But what really struck me was her pandering to the warmongers.
When asked about the occupation of Iraq, she actually said that our brave troops have given the Iraqis the "greatest gift" - their freedom! Oh. My. God. And she said that the Iraqis can no longer expect the US to do all the work and that it's time for them to fend for themselves.
Is anyone out there not completely stunned by this outrageous nonsense? Well. OK. We did free a large number of Iraqis from the burden of living. And many from their families, livelihoods, and health. Oh, yeah, and from the ability to feel safe in their homes. (So, just exactly how is this different from their lives under Saddam Hussein?)
Wow! And she not only said that the US has honored Iraq with this great gift of freedom, she repeated it several times. So, Hillary Clinton thinks that it was perfectly fine for the US to go into Iraq, bomb their cities, round up their citizens, destroy families, torture prisoners, devastate their historical monuments and buildings, shut down hospitals, and build a veritable stronghold city in their midst. Because we "gave" them freedom. Of course, the troops did protect the oil ministry, so I guess that counts for something. Does she really believe that the US did something grand and wonderful and that the Iraqis are responsible for all this destruction? Or that they OWE us something?
Unbelievable and unconscionable. This woman is too dreadful to contemplate. I guess she figures she has to do the whole "patriotic" bit in order to not turn off the jingoists. So much for integrity.
Just to be consistent ...
... another well-known candidate claims that U.S. military action is "giving the Iraqi people an opportunity to bring their country together." - Barack Obama, April 26, 2007, South Carolina Democratic debate. http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2007-05-04/article/26989 .
Question - If Hillary lacks integrity by pandering to warmongers and jingoists when she says we gave the Iraqi people "freedom," what is Obama doing when he says we gave them the "opportunity to come together"?
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Delegitimized?
Swami Says....
Hey, Askoldnick....got a question for you...
But here's my request - and invitation - to you, especially to buzzflash's most prolific poster, askoldnick...
askoldnick, I think everyone who reads the site regularly is aware that you don’t like anything about Hillary Clinton – in fact, pretty much hate everything about her. As you know, I’ve got issues with Hillary too – but, and here’s the thing…her platform and position on the issues that matter to me, seem to be somewhat more progressive than Obama’s positions on those same issues. But, maybe I’m missing something.
So, here’s my invitation (challenge, I guess) to you… Please explain to me (and the rest of us here on Buzzflash) why Obama is the progressive candidate in this race. Go ahead and get into the specifics of his platform and policy stands on issues like health care, climate change, nuclear power, coal power, tax issues, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, middle eastern diplomacy, or anything else you think is pertinent… and explain to us why he is a candidate that progressive Democrats and Independents should be enthusiastically supporting.
There is only one catch in my request to you – please make your case for Obama without mentioning Hillary Clinton even once – simply give us the reasons we should be supporting Obama, based solely on his campaign and his positions on the issues.
Thanks - I look forward to your reply.
Mrs. Bill Clinton
What is this,
Just Curious.....
Demdog---with all due respect, because I've read, and agreed, with many of your posts; but what you ask here is rather odd.
Mainly, because in various posts by a large number of posters, are, the answers to your request. Further, I think the two previous respondees, (PG and Doc Prod), pretty much spot-lighted the only viable item left to discuss concerning the two.
Hillarys policy positions, (as Stated), are no longer relevant, because ethical issues, like honesty, truthfulness, and reliability have supplanted the veracity of her policies. To wit, just look at the last WEEK--she has constantly told working-class Pennsylvanians that "she understands their pain" concerning their unemployment, (abetted by NAFTA--Clinton policy), suppressed wages and salaries (from a 100 million dollar candidate) etc. You see, nobody HEARS her policy comments WHEN THE REALITIES OF THEIR LIVES ARE SCREAMING SO LOUDLY IN THEIR EARS.
Finally, IF Askolnick DID the work, and met your request, (his right),---would it serve any REAL purpose? You read these posts, so I know you're familiar with the running battles some of us have with Hillary's followers, who, for the most part, are willingly detached from reality, and in an extreme state of denial, (in some cases). IF HE, (of all people), AGAIN, were to itemize, say 10, 100 or 1,000 points out-lining Obama's policies, would he have ANY more SUCCESS in changing any of their hearts, (or minds), then he had previously? Would THEY think any differently of him---then they have in the past? Most likely assuming: here he goes again: just another Obama water-carrier? You're asking him to open himself up to a variety of attacks from twits like: Robert(Anita)Jones, Yboy(Yman), and others. So, again, does meeting your request serve any real purpose? .....Other than, again, to re-state the obvious.........Just curious.
Points well taken...
And I've yet to hear a convincing argument why progressives should be fired up about him as a candidate. By the way, I'm definitely not fired up about Clinton either, but between the two, really hope we end up with someone who can actually win this election.
I keep thinking I must be missing something, because so many seemingly progressive people do seem to be so invested in Obama. But whenever I ask, all I seem to get is anti-Hillary rhetoric and even insults thrown my way.
Disliking Senator Clinton just isn't enough to convince me, especially when her opponent seems to be representing a position and plan which is actually to the right of her politically.
Thanks to all who responded to my question - gives me a better idea of where you're coming from on this important issue...
Your question is relevant...
No thanks,
No thanks, pg. I don't take questions seriously from anyone who mocks my name. Besides, you gave him a good enough answer. If he wants more, tell him to go watch two horse flies fuck.
Thanks...
Exactly, PGBowden!
How about a HONEST moderate progressive
Thanks...
You can find several articles about the lack of credibility of National Journal ratings at MediaMatters or by doing a simple search. A recent analysis can be found here. Oh, and they ranked Clinton as 16th "most liberal" Senator...
Can anyone tell me how Senator Obama's policies and proposals can be considered truly progressive?
I don't mean to be terse...
I don't mean to be terse...
BINGO
I gave positions, please read more carefully
Yea you did
Guess it depends on the meaning of the word "concise"
I think you know the specifics...
Ed Rendell on Meet the Press
And Performing in this Ring, All the Way from Little Rock...
..with a record of NO wins...and One BIG loss....
You're right! The Hillary show's been so funny to me this week, it hadn't dawned on me for some time----that I haven't seen much of Obama at all lately----and thats a good thing!
BTW, Hillary (this week) reminds me of, when I was a little kid, watching boxing matches with Joe Frazier, where he used to pound himself in the face repeatedly, and often upside his own head. Hillaryious!
Hillaryious!
Aw, you almost stole my name for her. Every time she comes up with another one of her stories, or moves the goal posts along or changes her tone of voice and actions, we laugh and say "Oh, another Hillaryarious moment".
That is what we should all be doing. Just laugh at her and her campaign. She is not worth anything more than laughter.
And, when you become a joke, you lose all power you think you have. And others lose respect for her and join in the laughter. It is infectious! Help spread it!
So laugh! Don't even discuss her points, just laugh. Point out the joke that she has become.
I am fighting cancer and laughter is good for me. Luckily, she provides me with many moments of laughter every day.
And now, bush gets into the act
Hillary and Bush
You're thinking of Mark Penn's room...
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Fast Eddie
Matthews is ticked
Just a theory.
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