The Doom Behind Conventional Wisdom: Hillary Clinton and Her Suicide Pact
THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter
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For online commentators there's no target quite like conventional wisdom to drive up readership. But often the urge to flout said conventional wisdom yields only pure crap, proving why the targeted wisdom was so conventional to begin with.
If you'd like to read the Platonic Ideal of this observation, then by all means scurry on over to The Politico and treat yourself to "Stalled nomination could be good for Dems." In general it's a seriously playful tugging at the tails of conventionality; specifically it is 806 words of absolute bullshit.
Written by Peter Fenn -- Democratic consultant, ubiquitous cable-network pundit, especially on the fallen "Tucker" of MSNBC, and seemingly all-round and genuinely nice fellow -- "Stalled nomination" stands reality on its head and attempts a lipstick application on this, the most swinish of situations: the endless, internecine war among progressive forces.
Peter wishes to deflate Republican elation, which conventional wisdom says is well merited: "My Republican friends are jumping for joy. Their dreams have come true ... Months more of discord in the Democratic Party." So it's curtains for Democrats.
But, says Peter, "Not so fast," for "there is a clear and persuasive argument that precisely the opposite may be true."
Well, I'd love to read it, wherever it is, but it can't be found in Peter's musings. His argument is clear enough, all right, but the "persuasive" part must have fled Peter's mind before landing on paper. His attempt to justify and even bless -- presumably for Hillary's benefit -- the blood being spilled from Maryland to California and on all battlegrounds in between is like a history of the Japanese war effort, circa 1945.
From caucus-to-primary island to island, doom descended on Madame Clinton long ago. But she just won't quit. She'll make "them" pay for this disgrace, and turn what began as perhaps an honorable affair into the most dishonorable of utterly unnecessary and suicidal bloodbaths.
In Hillary's defense Peter happily reports that "getting the bulk of the arguments out now about the pluses and minuses of the candidates may avoid a series of 'October surprises' sprung by the Republicans.... They will be better-known, better-understood and, I hope, better-appreciated than any candidates at such an early stage in the campaign."
That was Peter's Argument Number One, the first of four that I would itemize in some detail if they weren't pretty much identical. But they are identical -- the selfsame felicitous upsides to internal slaughter; a little positive thinking, folks; the unconventional vision to see the silver lining of this darkening storm.
In brief, Peter further writes that "Clinton and Obama will continue to be the story, and it will be tough for Sen. John Mccain to break through"; "McCain does not know whom to attack, how to attack or which way to go. And surely both Clinton and Obama will train their fire on McCain" (ask me not where that expectation came from); and last, "The excitement for, and appreciation of, both candidates has strengthened the Democratic Party. Polls consistently show that the Democrats (and independents) are much more energized and engaged than are the Republicans."
Even briefer, just a spirited, healthy debate between friends in which the victor -- Obama, which Peter doesn't concede -- will come out a better candidate. Yet it's those four little words -- "which Peter doesn't concede" -- that cause his arguments to fall flat on their abortive face. Hence we can not unfairly treat Peter's four arguments as one.
Barring some metaphysical intervention, Obama is already the winner, just as surely as the Japanese were the losers by 1942. It's true that the currently running war permits him to hone his fighting skills, but those sharpened skills would be more profitably attained by fighting his main opponent -- McCain -- rather than defending against "friendly" sniper fire from the rear.
Potshots, cheap shots and tawdry hardball politics are indeed thrilling, but they generally go down better when directed at the actual opposition. In Hillary's case they're aimed inward -- pointed straight at the heart of necessary millions in November. Rather than motivating, or enlightening, or "energiz[ing] and engag[ing]," they are designed to demotivate and darken, to sap the spirit of Obama's forces.
Already we see signs that they're finding their mark. Whereas, for instance, Obama not that long ago led McCain by a dozen points in a head-to-head matchup, he now leads, according to the most recent NBC/WSJ poll, by only three.
Yet Hillary's attacks will have the corresponding effect of sapping the spirit of her own forces as well -- potential, vital and profoundly logical Obama allies. For the brushfires she has ignited will smolder for months, if not years.
The most recent conflagration, for example, was designed to incinerate any of Pennsylvania's white, blue-collar vote for Obama, but the boomerang effect will linger far past April 22. You called our side racist, when of course no one of any thoughtfulness did any such thing. There's a chasmic difference between noting racist tactics and hurling pejorative labels. I, for one, no more believe that Hillary Clinton or Geraldine Ferraro is a closet racist than I believe myself to be Teddy Roosevelt. And on this side I'm far from alone.
But that rather notable distinction has gotten lost in defensive passions and tactical warfare. You called our side racist is all that many of Hillary's forces among assorted demographics now hear and will long remember. In turn it could easily cause either a deep urge to stay home in November or to cast a vengeful vote for McCain.
There's nothing breathtakingly keen about that observation. It's just conventional wisdom, but it happens to possess the unfortunate property of truth.
Desperate politics breeds enduring divisions. Therefore the prospect of party-wide hand-holding diminishes by the day.
And for what? An already lost cause.
Sorry, Mr. Fenn, but there ain't no upside to this senseless war. It's mutually destructive, although there is a beneficiary.
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OH...OH!
Danger! Republican Crossing
If anyone has any remaining doubts that Repugnican tricksters are plying their trade here, you need to read the Jed Report analysis of exit poll data from the Mississippi primary. Clinton, with Rush Limbaugh's help, is shamelessly gaming the system.
Republicans called forth by Rush Limbaugh to vote in the Mississippi Democratic primary did nothing to hide their animosity towards the Democrats or their reason for voting for Hillary, rather than for the Republican's already-decided nominee McCain:
Republican operatives vote
These numbers are as compelling as a signed confession. The polls showed that about a quarter of Hillary voters expressed strong negative opinions about Hillary, but strongly favorable opinions about McCain. Yet they crossed over to vote for Hillary.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what was going on -- especially after Bill Clinton went on the Rush Limbaugh show to urge Rush's dittoheads to support Hillary.
We should expect to see similar record turnouts of Republicans voting Democratic in the remaining contests that allow crossovers. Of course, the double crossing Rethugs have no intention of voting for Clinton in the general election. They're voting in the Democratic primaries to help set up a losing candidate for the Republicans to more easily knock down.
So there is Clinton's game plan: She's beating the drums of racism to assist Limbaugh in motivating his dittoheads to help her steal the nomination.
Time to heat the tar and tear open the feather pillows.
Time to learn ...
... how to do a little research, instead of cutting and pasting from other Clinton-haters.
For example, you make the startling claim that "It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what was going on -- especially after Bill Clinton went on the Rush Limbaugh show to urge Rush's dittoheads to support Hillary."
BILL CLINTON WENT ON THE RUSH LIMBAUGH SHOW!!! WTF?!? That's incredible! That's amazing! That's unbelievable! That PROVES that Billary will do ANYTHING to steal .....
..... wait a second .......
... On second thought, you'd think something that amazing would make the news, or a least the political talk shows, right? Lemme check .........
Ooooops - Wrong again! Turns out that Bill Clinton was interviewed by Mark Davis on WBAP, a radio station in Arlington, Texas. http://www.wbap.com/Article.asp?id=606119&spid=6051
Mr. Davis then replayed the interview when he acted as guest host on the Rush Limbaugh show. Wow, that only took about 45 seconds to check out. To modify your statement to make it accurate, you should say "It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand how to verify basic facts," particularly those that seem incredible on their face. Just one more example of how the Clinton-haters are beginning to resemble talk radio. Don't have the facts? No problem ........ just make 'em up as you go along.
Damn, Askolnick. I thought you claimed to be a professional journalist. Guess it's time to go back to school.
You're utterly shameless
You really are shameless. Although, I understand that's a prerequisite for becoming a Repugnican trickster.
EIB Guest Host While Rush Is Sick
Mark Davis of WBAP Dallas/Ft. Worth
• Mark Interviews Bill Clinton (no, really)
Rush Limbaugh Home Page
Shameless? Try accurate
Yes - I saw the screen shot and link on Kos also. Rush put the notice up on his website. Problem is, Bill Clinton NEVER WENT ON RUSH'S SHOW as you claimed. He went on the Mark Davis show, and then Mark filled in as guest host for Limbaugh and REPLAYED THE INTERVIEW FROM THE MARK DAVIS SHOW that Clinton had done earlier in Arlington, Texas. Audio of the whole interview in on the WBAP website, because that's where he did the interview. It's not posted on Limbaugh's site, because HE NEVER WENT ON THE RUSH LIMBAUGH SHOW.
http://www.wbap.com/Article.asp?id=606119&spid=6051
BTW - note that the audio/brief description of the interview was posted on the WBAP website at 9:58:49 AM on 3/4/08. That would be more than 2 hours BEFORE the Limbaugh show airs.
Do you really think that Bill Clinton appearing on Rush Limbaugh wouldn't make the news, talking head shows, etc.? Wow, Askolnick, there's denial and then there's DENIAL. Is that what passes for journalistic standards these days?
Bill Clinton NOT on Limbaugh show ...
From Democratic Underground, where this rumor made the rounds previously.
Look again. The headline - EIB Guest Host While Rush Is Sick
Mark Davis of WBAP Dallas/Ft. Worth
• Mark Interviews Bill Clinton (no, really)
The headline does not say the interview was on Rush's show. It says that the purported interviewer was a guest host on Rush's show. If you follow the link, its to a local radio station where the guest host usually works.
Even that is dishonest though, because what you are listening to is not a real interview. Campaigns and public relations offices make tapes of sound bites they'd like to have on the air and send them out to every radio station in the state. Stations who want to get away with it just insert their own announcers voice in between the taped quotes. They make it sound like a real interview. I used to work in a PR office and it was amazing how many radio stations used the PR tapes that way.
The dead giveaways are no introduction where Clinton says the hosts name, no quick back and forth conversational banter, canned questions that a fascist talk show host with a chance to get Bill Clinton would never ask, no follow ups, no goodbye that said the hosts name or thank you for letting me on WBAP.
Please do not believe anything you read on RushLimbaugh.com. Its all lies created by propaganda masters. I follow the show and its amazing what lengths they'll go to to disinform. They are extremely clever at it. If Bill Clinton really went on the Rush Limbaugh show you'd hear about it all over the place.
Hope everyone's clear on this now.
Karl Rove wins again!!!!
Leave the sandbox when you leave.
Will B, I never said she is
Immitation is the purest form of flattery
Will B......Flattery is not
SHE HASN'T GONE NEGATIVE!!!???
Rod Serling is long gone ...
... but you're still a Twilight Zone of your own, Commonsense (with your buddy Askolnick, of course).
Deehtee, deehtee - - Deehtee, deehtee
Thomas M is Right -So VERY Right - WING, That Is
"Nosense"....Assnick....Will
Gotten to the Truth, Have We?
Nosense, Why would you even
Oh, Commonsense ....
.... now you're just hurting my feelings.
It's a Nice Way
Now you can go get your pay
Ah, yes - The Cult!
Danger! Tom M Crossing
I posted my Republican Crossing Warning a bit too late. Here we have a dim-witted example of one of the "agents of darkness" plying his trade as a dirty trickster.
Fortunately, competence went out of style among Republicans the day Bush moved into the White House.
We need character to restore character to the White House
Headed for rock bottom.
Try instead
Try drinking instead some piss and vinegar. We need to take our own scorched-earth campaign to every public forum we can. We need to show the Clintonista's that the only victory they can steal will by a Pyrrhic victory.
I predict Clinton's attack dogs are preparing for a more forceful slime attack to scare remaining voters into believing the swiftboat lie that Obama is a "Manchurian" Muslim candidate.
Of course, she will not agree with those attacks, but she will blame them on Obama for not making it clear enough that he's not a Muslim. "If he's hiding anything," Clinton will likely add, "now would be the time to come clean. We must not have any October surprises."
The tragic thing is that most of the press will keep letting her get away with this.
P M and McCain
Look in a Mirror for the Closet McCain Supporters, Hillaryinista
Try a mirror
The Democratic candidates continue their debate...
Sen. Barack Obama:
"Now even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us -- the spin masters, the negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of "anything goes." Well, I say to them tonight, there is not a liberal America and a conservative America -- there is the United States of America. There is not a Black America and a White America and Latino America and Asian America -- there’s the United States of America."
Sen. Hillary Clinton:
Barack is wrong. And I'll prove it.
Well said
Excellent Contrast
Hillbillary Hell
Just as Bill Clinton was willing to hold his nose and go on the Rush Limbaugh show to encourage Rush's dittoheads in Texas to turn out and vote for Hillary, the Clintons are willing to do anything to win, no matter what the cost to the Democratic Party or the nation.
With Rush Limbaugh's help, Clinton was able to get enough Repugnican votes to win the popular vote. But she still lost the delegate contest - and that's how the party's nominee is supposed to be chosen -- unless Clinton succeeds in redefining the party's rules.
New metaphor
Oh my Gosh!!!! Really!?!?!!
For FREE?!?! Thanks!!!!! (Can we make it a "NAZI suicide bomber"????)
You Can Make It a Nazi Suicide Bomber
And we could call the
Wow ....
... thanks for clarifying. The stamp of assurance from Commonsense means a lot!
You Shouldn't Defy Common Sense
OK, guys,
Oh we'll remember alright ...
But you better trademark it fast before someone beats you to it!!!
Letter to Governor Howard Dean
How disheartening
A candidate for 'real' change is a threat to the establishment.
very astute
You're Way Too Kind
being right v. being persuasive
What Would You Call the KKK or Nazis?
huh?
Not Trying To Be "Purr-suasive"