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The Doom Behind Conventional Wisdom: Hillary Clinton and Her Suicide Pact

THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

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For online commentators there's no target quite like conventional wisdom to drive up readership. But often the urge to flout said conventional wisdom yields only pure crap, proving why the targeted wisdom was so conventional to begin with.

If you'd like to read the Platonic Ideal of this observation, then by all means scurry on over to The Politico and treat yourself to "Stalled nomination could be good for Dems." In general it's a seriously playful tugging at the tails of conventionality; specifically it is 806 words of absolute bullshit.

Written by Peter Fenn -- Democratic consultant, ubiquitous cable-network pundit, especially on the fallen "Tucker" of MSNBC, and seemingly all-round and genuinely nice fellow -- "Stalled nomination" stands reality on its head and attempts a lipstick application on this, the most swinish of situations: the endless, internecine war among progressive forces.

Peter wishes to deflate Republican elation, which conventional wisdom says is well merited: "My Republican friends are jumping for joy. Their dreams have come true ... Months more of discord in the Democratic Party." So it's curtains for Democrats.

But, says Peter, "Not so fast," for "there is a clear and persuasive argument that precisely the opposite may be true."

Well, I'd love to read it, wherever it is, but it can't be found in Peter's musings. His argument is clear enough, all right, but the "persuasive" part must have fled Peter's mind before landing on paper. His attempt to justify and even bless -- presumably for Hillary's benefit -- the blood being spilled from Maryland to California and on all battlegrounds in between is like a history of the Japanese war effort, circa 1945.

From caucus-to-primary island to island, doom descended on Madame Clinton long ago. But she just won't quit. She'll make "them" pay for this disgrace, and turn what began as perhaps an honorable affair into the most dishonorable of utterly unnecessary and suicidal bloodbaths.

In Hillary's defense Peter happily reports that "getting the bulk of the arguments out now about the pluses and minuses of the candidates may avoid a series of 'October surprises' sprung by the Republicans.... They will be better-known, better-understood and, I hope, better-appreciated than any candidates at such an early stage in the campaign."

That was Peter's Argument Number One, the first of four that I would itemize in some detail if they weren't pretty much identical. But they are identical -- the selfsame felicitous upsides to internal slaughter; a little positive thinking, folks; the unconventional vision to see the silver lining of this darkening storm.

In brief, Peter further writes that "Clinton and Obama will continue to be the story, and it will be tough for Sen. John Mccain to break through"; "McCain does not know whom to attack, how to attack or which way to go. And surely both Clinton and Obama will train their fire on McCain" (ask me not where that expectation came from); and last, "The excitement for, and appreciation of, both candidates has strengthened the Democratic Party. Polls consistently show that the Democrats (and independents) are much more energized and engaged than are the Republicans."

Even briefer, just a spirited, healthy debate between friends in which the victor -- Obama, which Peter doesn't concede -- will come out a better candidate. Yet it's those four little words -- "which Peter doesn't concede" -- that cause his arguments to fall flat on their abortive face. Hence we can not unfairly treat Peter's four arguments as one.

Barring some metaphysical intervention, Obama is already the winner, just as surely as the Japanese were the losers by 1942. It's true that the currently running war permits him to hone his fighting skills, but those sharpened skills would be more profitably attained by fighting his main opponent -- McCain -- rather than defending against "friendly" sniper fire from the rear.

Potshots, cheap shots and tawdry hardball politics are indeed thrilling, but they generally go down better when directed at the actual opposition. In Hillary's case they're aimed inward -- pointed straight at the heart of necessary millions in November. Rather than motivating, or enlightening, or "energiz[ing] and engag[ing]," they are designed to demotivate and darken, to sap the spirit of Obama's forces.

Already we see signs that they're finding their mark. Whereas, for instance, Obama not that long ago led McCain by a dozen points in a head-to-head matchup, he now leads, according to the most recent NBC/WSJ poll, by only three.

Yet Hillary's attacks will have the corresponding effect of sapping the spirit of her own forces as well -- potential, vital and profoundly logical Obama allies. For the brushfires she has ignited will smolder for months, if not years.

The most recent conflagration, for example, was designed to incinerate any of Pennsylvania's white, blue-collar vote for Obama, but the boomerang effect will linger far past April 22. You called our side racist, when of course no one of any thoughtfulness did any such thing. There's a chasmic difference between noting racist tactics and hurling pejorative labels. I, for one, no more believe that Hillary Clinton or Geraldine Ferraro is a closet racist than I believe myself to be Teddy Roosevelt. And on this side I'm far from alone.

But that rather notable distinction has gotten lost in defensive passions and tactical warfare. You called our side racist is all that many of Hillary's forces among assorted demographics now hear and will long remember. In turn it could easily cause either a deep urge to stay home in November or to cast a vengeful vote for McCain.

There's nothing breathtakingly keen about that observation. It's just conventional wisdom, but it happens to possess the unfortunate property of truth.

Desperate politics breeds enduring divisions. Therefore the prospect of party-wide hand-holding diminishes by the day.

And for what? An already lost cause.

Sorry, Mr. Fenn, but there ain't no upside to this senseless war. It's mutually destructive, although there is a beneficiary.

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THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter




OH...OH!

Dan Abrams just came on saying there's a new Video out about Obama's Paster, saying America deserved 911!!! I haven't seen it yet, so I won't comment on it.

Danger! Republican Crossing

If anyone has any remaining doubts that Repugnican tricksters are plying their trade here, you need to read the Jed Report analysis of exit poll data from the Mississippi primary. Clinton, with Rush Limbaugh's help, is shamelessly gaming the system.

Republicans called forth by Rush Limbaugh to vote in the Mississippi Democratic primary did nothing to hide their animosity towards the Democrats or their reason for voting for Hillary, rather than for the Republican's already-decided nominee McCain:

Republican operatives vote

These numbers are as compelling as a signed confession. The polls showed that about a quarter of Hillary voters expressed strong negative opinions about Hillary, but strongly favorable opinions about McCain. Yet they crossed over to vote for Hillary.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what was going on -- especially after Bill Clinton went on the Rush Limbaugh show to urge Rush's dittoheads to support Hillary.

We should expect to see similar record turnouts of Republicans voting Democratic in the remaining contests that allow crossovers. Of course, the double crossing Rethugs have no intention of voting for Clinton in the general election. They're voting in the Democratic primaries to help set up a losing candidate for the Republicans to more easily knock down.

So there is Clinton's game plan: She's beating the drums of racism to assist Limbaugh in motivating his dittoheads to help her steal the nomination.

Time to heat the tar and tear open the feather pillows.

Time to learn ...

... how to do a little research, instead of cutting and pasting from other Clinton-haters.

For example, you make the startling claim that "It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what was going on -- especially after Bill Clinton went on the Rush Limbaugh show to urge Rush's dittoheads to support Hillary."

BILL CLINTON WENT ON THE RUSH LIMBAUGH SHOW!!! WTF?!? That's incredible! That's amazing! That's unbelievable! That PROVES that Billary will do ANYTHING to steal .....

..... wait a second .......

... On second thought, you'd think something that amazing would make the news, or a least the political talk shows, right? Lemme check .........

Ooooops - Wrong again! Turns out that Bill Clinton was interviewed by Mark Davis on WBAP, a radio station in Arlington, Texas. http://www.wbap.com/Article.asp?id=606119&spid=6051
Mr. Davis then replayed the interview when he acted as guest host on the Rush Limbaugh show. Wow, that only took about 45 seconds to check out. To modify your statement to make it accurate, you should say "It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand how to verify basic facts," particularly those that seem incredible on their face. Just one more example of how the Clinton-haters are beginning to resemble talk radio. Don't have the facts? No problem ........ just make 'em up as you go along.

Damn, Askolnick. I thought you claimed to be a professional journalist. Guess it's time to go back to school.

You're utterly shameless

You know Yman, you clearly are a Rethug, because your deceptions are so easily exposed. Here is the notice of Bill Clinton's interview on the Rush Limbaugh show -- exactly as it is posted on the Rush Limbaugh's Home Page

You really are shameless. Although, I understand that's a prerequisite for becoming a Repugnican trickster.

EIB Guest Host While Rush Is Sick
Mark Davis of WBAP Dallas/Ft. Worth
• Mark Interviews Bill Clinton (no, really)

Rush Limbaugh Home Page

Shameless? Try accurate

Yes - I saw the screen shot and link on Kos also. Rush put the notice up on his website. Problem is, Bill Clinton NEVER WENT ON RUSH'S SHOW as you claimed. He went on the Mark Davis show, and then Mark filled in as guest host for Limbaugh and REPLAYED THE INTERVIEW FROM THE MARK DAVIS SHOW that Clinton had done earlier in Arlington, Texas. Audio of the whole interview in on the WBAP website, because that's where he did the interview. It's not posted on Limbaugh's site, because HE NEVER WENT ON THE RUSH LIMBAUGH SHOW.

http://www.wbap.com/Article.asp?id=606119&spid=6051

BTW - note that the audio/brief description of the interview was posted on the WBAP website at 9:58:49 AM on 3/4/08. That would be more than 2 hours BEFORE the Limbaugh show airs.

Do you really think that Bill Clinton appearing on Rush Limbaugh wouldn't make the news, talking head shows, etc.? Wow, Askolnick, there's denial and then there's DENIAL. Is that what passes for journalistic standards these days?

Bill Clinton NOT on Limbaugh show ...

From Democratic Underground, where this rumor made the rounds previously.

Look again. The headline - EIB Guest Host While Rush Is Sick
Mark Davis of WBAP Dallas/Ft. Worth

• Mark Interviews Bill Clinton (no, really)

The headline does not say the interview was on Rush's show. It says that the purported interviewer was a guest host on Rush's show. If you follow the link, its to a local radio station where the guest host usually works.

Even that is dishonest though, because what you are listening to is not a real interview. Campaigns and public relations offices make tapes of sound bites they'd like to have on the air and send them out to every radio station in the state. Stations who want to get away with it just insert their own announcers voice in between the taped quotes. They make it sound like a real interview. I used to work in a PR office and it was amazing how many radio stations used the PR tapes that way.

The dead giveaways are no introduction where Clinton says the hosts name, no quick back and forth conversational banter, canned questions that a fascist talk show host with a chance to get Bill Clinton would never ask, no follow ups, no goodbye that said the hosts name or thank you for letting me on WBAP.

Please do not believe anything you read on RushLimbaugh.com. Its all lies created by propaganda masters. I follow the show and its amazing what lengths they'll go to to disinform. They are extremely clever at it. If Bill Clinton really went on the Rush Limbaugh show you'd hear about it all over the place.

Hope everyone's clear on this now.

Karl Rove wins again!!!!

We have lost any hope of wining the National election. The reason? It is because of the hateful, mean spirited "cult" like nature of the Obama supporters. The supporters of Obama have let the Republican party & the media destroy us from with inside. You have belittled a woman that has given most of her life fighting for causes that every American can be proud of. The Republicans & Media have been trying to shape her identity to the public for over 20 years. Yet thru all that she has prevailed. Now, when we have a chance at the White House, you as Democrats, have repeated all the baseless rumors right out of the Republican play book. You have let Obama & the Media twist the words of Hillary & Bill into Racist remarks. Obama started the Race baiting. His Campaign manager has been in other campaigns. He has the "Reputation" of being a race baiter. His National security advisor is a war Mongrel. Google their names, not hard to do. See if you can find out what the 4 pages Tim Russet had in his hand at the Ohio Debate, that he asked Obama about. I don't think you will take the trouble to do that, so I'll tell you. It was 4 pages of racist memo"s that he had sent to the Media & all his campaign staffers describing procedures to "race bait". Hardly the " Uniter" that you think he is. Buzzflash has done a disservice to the people that have supported them over the past years. They have lost the trust of their base because of their shameless Rhetoric. They have taken part in "Character Assassination" with a fevor. Buzzflash cannot be considered a Reputable source of information any more. That's too bad, that's not what they promised us long time supporters. Noticing the Obama posters, I see some of them posting over & over again. And most of the time "nasty" comments. I'm sure I will get some of that with this post. It's like a bunch of kids in a frenzy. But I'm also not sure, you could be a bunch of Republicans posting. This is a master plan by Karl Rove folks. Quit doing what they want you to do. He's a master at what he does. He's put George Bush in office in 2000 & 2004 and he's well on his way to putting John M'Cain in the White House. Please take the time to read this. There's a lot of articles on the internet that have explored this Theory with Republicans. http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html

Leave the sandbox when you leave.

Thomas, Why is it that you feel she is entitled to the office? If you understood democracy you would recognize that the office can be held by any native born citizen. So what's the offense? Face it, Barack is winning, so Hillary has gone negative and is bleeding our chances away. Thanks pal.

Will B, I never said she is

Will B, I never said she is entitled to the office. I said she didn't deserve the treatment Buzzflash, the Media & the Obama supporters are giving her. She hasn't gone negative, Obama's campaign, the Republican Media, & you guys have gone negative. Good God man, look at all your posts!!! Reread them, they're slime & lies. You've got two people on the thread that post all day long with hate Rhetoric. "Nosense" has got the Republican play book in front of her/him. There's two sides to every story, but not to you guys. That's why you'll never be taken seriously. I do think you are right thou, the bleeding is taking our chances away. Don't blame me buddy, you guys have cut your own throat!!!!

Immitation is the purest form of flattery

You do slime the honor of repetition.

Will B......Flattery is not

Will B......Flattery is not in this bunches vocabulary! Slime is!!!

SHE HASN'T GONE NEGATIVE!!!???

Sputter, sputter, cough &%#@#$%!!! Huh? What the . . .? Did Rod Serling arrive when I wasn't looking?

Rod Serling is long gone ...

... but you're still a Twilight Zone of your own, Commonsense (with your buddy Askolnick, of course).

Deehtee, deehtee - - Deehtee, deehtee

Just when you thought commonsense was safe, you're transported to the Twilight Zone, where the zombie minions of vicious Last Ladies mangle and torture the truth beyond recognition. But who's up in the sky? It's a bird, it's a plane . . . It's a cream pie in the eye, Yman.

Thomas M is Right -So VERY Right - WING, That Is

One of his statements turns out to be true. It didn't take long for him to be outed. His pathetic collection of words (way too long) should get one of the lesser prizes they award for disinformation of the year. Who was it who made a Republican his secretary of defense? No, who could it be? Yes, it was BILL CLINTON who appointed William Cohen. This guy and all his "Obama is the race-baiter" bullcrap is obviously working for "the other team" which in this case means Billary/McCain. Probably McCain because those folks know that Obams will be the harder candidate to beat. Too bad, your all-too-obvious cover has been blown.

"Nosense"....Assnick....Will

"Nosense"....Assnick....Will B... You are sick nosense. Your "My pathetic collection of words (way too long") statement, is a joke!!! How many posts have you made today, 85, 90. Your "working for the other team" comment about me is another case of silly uneducated Rhetoric. Is that what Obama has taught you "your either with us or against us." Sounds like George Bush to me!!! I knew it would be useless to try & get you guys to calm down. Go your merry way, destroy the party, just remember I told you so. The Republicans will tear Obama apart!!! It's quite oblivious that all the talk about Obama supporters have become a "cult" is true! When the man blows his nose & his followers cheer & stomp their feet really shows their ignorance. You think people are going to take you serious??? You can fire away at me now......Hurry thou, the babysitter is about to pick you up!!!

Gotten to the Truth, Have We?

"THE Republicans will tear Obama apart"? The Republicans? Right now, all we have is you and your over-long, misspelled rants which do such a good job of imitating the Republicans that anything they say will surely be an anti-climax. You and Yman, paid by the word but not necessarily paid to make any sense.

Nosense, Why would you even

Nosense, Why would you even make a comment on truth??? It obvious you don't know what the word means!!! And why would you use the word sense?? You have already proven that you have none!

Oh, Commonsense ....

.... now you're just hurting my feelings.

It's a Nice Way

to end the day.

Now you can go get your pay

Now you can go get your pay from the "Cult".

Ah, yes - The Cult!

AKA a majority of sane Americans.

Danger! Tom M Crossing

I posted my Republican Crossing Warning a bit too late. Here we have a dim-witted example of one of the "agents of darkness" plying his trade as a dirty trickster.

Fortunately, competence went out of style among Republicans the day Bush moved into the White House.

We need character to restore character to the White House

I keep seeing this grudge match as two kids sitting in the back seat of a car during a long road trip. The older daughter keeps taunting and nudging her younger brother, who bothered by her taunts occasionally nudges back. Then the exasperated parents turn around and yell, "cut it out you kids, both of you". Then the older sister spreads a cheshire smile while the kid brother simply shuts up exasperated by her guile. Both candidates should call a cease fire for 6 weeks, wash off the mud, and train their rhetoric on McCain. They may get used to the civility and demand more; I know Barack will. By and large, the remaining democratic electorate knows who they favor, so further blood-letting only hurts themselves, not the other. So if anyone on either campaign is reading this, take this up the ladder, will ya!

Headed for rock bottom.

It seems like we're headed for rock bottom. How low can she go? I have a feeling she's not there yet and we'll see more before PA. IMO, it all turned with the "Shame on you Barack Obama" bit. I could'nt figure out what all the feigned outrage was for. Turns out it was to signal her negative, scorched earth, kitchen sink thing. Olberman had it right on when he said she's campaigning as the Republican. Quick, I need a fix of Hope flavored Kool Aid!

Try instead

Try drinking instead some piss and vinegar. We need to take our own scorched-earth campaign to every public forum we can. We need to show the Clintonista's that the only victory they can steal will by a Pyrrhic victory.

I predict Clinton's attack dogs are preparing for a more forceful slime attack to scare remaining voters into believing the swiftboat lie that Obama is a "Manchurian" Muslim candidate.

Of course, she will not agree with those attacks, but she will blame them on Obama for not making it clear enough that he's not a Muslim. "If he's hiding anything," Clinton will likely add, "now would be the time to come clean. We must not have any October surprises."

The tragic thing is that most of the press will keep letting her get away with this.

P M and McCain

Congratulation, PM, on another right on endorsement of John McCain for President. If McCain's campaign is not paying you to destroy the Democratic nominee on a daily basis, they should be. I don't think McCain has a bigger or more prolific booster than you. And, to think that you used to be rational and make some sense with your commentary before you started writing your daily anti-Clinton rants here on the Buzzflash McCain express.

Look in a Mirror for the Closet McCain Supporters, Hillaryinista

B/c THAT is where you'll find them! God in Heaven - you're all as bad as the Bushiveks! You'd rather be waterboarded and have your testicles fried than admit that maybe, just MAYBE, you. Are. Wrong.

Try a mirror

Robert, Hillary and some of her followers need no help in the campaign destruction business. She is writing history in that category.

The Democratic candidates continue their debate...

The debate continues:

Sen. Barack Obama:
"Now even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us -- the spin masters, the negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of "anything goes." Well, I say to them tonight, there is not a liberal America and a conservative America -- there is the United States of America. There is not a Black America and a White America and Latino America and Asian America -- there’s the United States of America."

Sen. Hillary Clinton:
Barack is wrong. And I'll prove it.

Well said

Hillary's divisive brand of politics is exactly what Obama is trying to transcend.

Excellent Contrast

Though Hillary can only "prove" it with a great deal of help from her friends. At least they should be honest and come out as "Racists for Hillary" or maybe "Bigots for Billary." Either one, same thing.

Hillbillary Hell

Just as Bill Clinton was willing to hold his nose and go on the Rush Limbaugh show to encourage Rush's dittoheads in Texas to turn out and vote for Hillary, the Clintons are willing to do anything to win, no matter what the cost to the Democratic Party or the nation.

With Rush Limbaugh's help, Clinton was able to get enough Repugnican votes to win the popular vote. But she still lost the delegate contest - and that's how the party's nominee is supposed to be chosen -- unless Clinton succeeds in redefining the party's rules.

New metaphor

At least I think it's new. A fitting metaphor for Hillary's campaign tactics--the SUICIDE BOMBER. Anyone who likes this should feel free to use it.

Oh my Gosh!!!! Really!?!?!!

For FREE?!?! Thanks!!!!! (Can we make it a "NAZI suicide bomber"????)

You Can Make It a Nazi Suicide Bomber

in a pink polyester pants suit. Kamikaze would be more accurate, though.

And we could call the

And we could call the Obamas campaign "Radical Racists".

Wow ....

... thanks for clarifying. The stamp of assurance from Commonsense means a lot!

You Shouldn't Defy Common Sense

But I won't take it personally.

OK, guys,

Make fun all you want, but remember you read it here first.

Oh we'll remember alright ...

But you better trademark it fast before someone beats you to it!!!

Letter to Governor Howard Dean

Here is a letter I sent to Howard Dean on 3/12/2008. If anyone thinks Senator Hillary Clinton is not tearing our party apart, they are absolutely wrong! 03/12/2008 Dear Governor Dean, I am writing to you today to tell you that I am fed up with the direction of the Democratic Presidential Primaries. First of all, I believe when one breaks the rules there should not be any going back. When people play by the rules they should be rewarded as such. I believe you need to take a much larger public leadership role with this situation and stand your ground! Say no to Michigan and Florida as you did right from the start. Haven't we had enough of Florida election issues? I have to tell you that I am also fed up with Senator Hillary Clinton. I did sign your petition to support whoever the eventual Democratic nominee will be but that was before the racist attacks by President Bill Clinton and the recent racist attacks by Congresswoman Geraldine Ferraro. Senator Clinton has not fired her, she has not resigned and again I believe you need to step up your public appearances and say no to racism and call for her to be fired. If you don't do this, you risk letting Senator Clinton split our great party. As head of the DNC it is your responsibility not to let this happen. We cannot afford more years of Republican rule and you know and understand this. You also know that most Democrats are not going to stand for Senator Clinton repeatedly playing dirty politics. As a Democrat I am sickened by it! I am stating to you emphatically that if you do not step forward and publicly denounce Congresswoman Ferraro's comments and publicly state she MUST Be FIRED then I will not support Senator Clinton if she were to become the nominee. You cannot expect anyone, who signed your "support of the nominee petition" to support a politician who plays the race card and misleads at almost every turn! I expect these kinds of dirty politics and bigotry from the Republicans but not from my party, the Democratic party. This is not an idle threat. It is not a threat at all. It is reality. It is time for you to be bold once again. Just as when you ran for President. Just as when you became Chairman of the DNC. Just as when you intiated your 50 state plan. You showed great leadership in all of these and it is time you demonstrated great leadership in this situation! It is vital to our party and to our Great Country. Now is the time of your greatest challenge Governor Dean. The challenge is to hold our party together by flat out publicly denouncing racial comments, bigotry, rule breaking and dirty politics. And you need to do this repeatedly in full view of the people of our Great Nation! The challenge is yours. Will you rise to meet this challenge?

How disheartening

I keep asking myself whether Hillary Clinton truly believes that she can win the nomination with her scorched earth tactics or she simply wants to bring the Party down with her in defeat. But I have no doubt whatsoever that she would rather see John McCain elected president than Barack Obama. Philosophically, she and McCain are actually fairly close in their fondness for the military and the corporate world. It is very distressing to see that she has become the same polarizing figure within the Democratic Party that she has been amongst the general public. Her massive ego prevents her from seeing that her personal ambition does not necessarily serve the best interests of the party and the nation. If the Democrats manage to blow this election, History will not judge her kindly.

A candidate for 'real' change is a threat to the establishment.

Hillary Clinton and John McCain are part of the establishment through their support for the Iraq war and the military/industrial complex. Clinton believes that lobbyists have a voice in government. While he says different, McCain must believe the same since lobbyists are running his campaign and doing their business on the campaign bus. If the American public wants to continue the Bush polities for another 4 years, they should vote for either of these two candidates. If Hillary would stay on the issues and not go negative in order to attempt to overtake Obama, it could be good for the Democratic party. There is nothing wrong with discussing differences in policy ideas but make sure the differences are based on facts, not deceit. Politicians like to take statements out of context to win advantage. That will only split the party in this period before the convention.

very astute

Once again, a very astute column. After learning that Mrs. Ferarro had made these comments over the course of weeks (I first thought it was one conversation on radio) the pattern becomes quite clear. Clinton surrogates are busy planting seeds - the seeds of "latent white resentment" which they hope will grow into the weed that chokes Obama. If it doesn't take him in the primary, the general will do, as far as they're concerned. While I don't believe the Clintons are themselves racists (that is, they don't believe people of other races are inherently inferior) they know that racism and prejudice are powerful forces in American life. Their willingness to use these bludgeons to their "advantage" is an illustration of just how cynical and empty their "belief" system must be.

You're Way Too Kind

Character assassination is the Clintons' middle name. "Cynical"? "Empty"? How about vicious and demented? But it isn't the Clintons to whom you are being too kind. It is the American people you are letting off the hook. The Clintons are who they are, like some species of stinkweed. Nice people usually don't plant them in their gardens. They pull them out.

being right v. being persuasive

I don't aim to be "kind," I aim to be measured. Over the years, I've learned to temper my outrage in arguments, mostly because it's rarely persuasive to people. In my experience, when people feel attacked they tend to harden their views, not change them. If we wish to be persuasive rather than simply right, I don't think it's helpful to denigrate those you wish to convince.

What Would You Call the KKK or Nazis?

Simply people who have a wrong-headed view of the world. No one is more discreet or politic than I am, but there comes a time when things need to be called by their right names. You may imagine that you are persuasive, but what you are really doing is indulging in a kind of self-righteous politeness that is not appropriate when you are a witness to violence, physical or political.

huh?

Wow, I guess you put me in my place. For the record, I don't "imagine" myself persuasive, I just rarely find you so - even when I agree with you, which was kind of the point of the post. And bringing up the Nazis and the KKK make your charge of "self-righteous" ironic in the extreme.

Not Trying To Be "Purr-suasive"

Look, man, the history of the 20th century is pretty much one long horror show. You want your reality sugar-coated, dipped in chocolate with a cherry on top, fine. The point is this - face the facts, call them by their right name and choose your poison. Today I am not particularly in the mood to play to the brittle self-image of the oh-so-nice-couldn't-get-their-political-hands-dirty mentality. I consider it "disgusting" in the extreme when the only time you can raise the issue of the KKK or Nazis is AFTER they drag in the dead body. You seem like someone who wants to do the right thing. Sometimes the right thing is to shout, condemn and speak in unequivocal terms.