Would Kennedy Have Forgiven Lady Lyndon Baines Clinton?
THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter
OK, so maybe things seem "to just fester" under Hillary's "detached manager" style. And maybe she "delegated decisions large and small and deferred to advisers on critical questions" as her campaign was taking on water and swiftly sinking in the east, west, north and south.
And maybe she didn't "seem to know how to stop it" or even "want to stop it," as one authority on presidential management put it in this morning's New York Times.
And maybe, just maybe, those aren't exactly the most appetizing qualities in a prospective commander in chief -- removed, befuddled and careless -- but a lot of Democrats are eager to roll the dice. A few of them, however, are also beginning to hedge their bets, ever since Hillary -- or somebody -- decided the bad roll-of-the-dice Barack Obama would make a splendid vice president. Even though, as Hillary has alerted us, he's incapable of answering telephones with pluck and decisiveness at 3 A.M.
This immediately posed an executive dilemma that no one in the Clinton camp had thought of: If he's acceptable as veep, then that's a tacit admission that he's qualified as POTUS, right? Oh dear. Oh my. For heaven's sake. What, the Clintonites are now asking themselves, have we gone and done?
Well, they set themselves up for a lot of stuttering, stammering and backpedaling. That's what. And this was deliciously on display yesterday, as Clinton-booster Gov. Ed Rendell performed on "Meet the Press" some stunning cerebral backflips for Tim Russert; indeed, for all of us:
RUSSERT: So, if you believe he's acceptable as vice president, one heartbeat away from the presidency, you believe that Barack Obama is qualified to be commander in chief.
RENDELL: I think he's qualified. I don't think he's as good a potential commander in chief right now as Hillary Clinton is. But I certainly think he's qualified. And I will work my heart out for him if he's our nominee....
RUSSERT: It--that seems to be in conflict with some things that you have said and what Hillary Clinton has said.... If Barack Obama's qualified to be vice president, he has crossed the commander in chief threshold. Correct?
RENDELL: Well, I, I think he's ready. He's not nearly as ready as Hillary Clinton is, there's no question about that. But, look, make no mistake about it, he's a talented, dynamic politician and, and a, and a good senator, and I think he would make a fine president. Again, is he as experienced and as ready as Hillary Clinton? Nobody is.... [Ed might want to rethink that particular line.]
RUSSERT: But if, in fact, there's a possibility Obama may be the Democratic nominee, would it be better, in the interest of the Democratic Party, that the Clintons not suggest that he hasn't passed the threshold to be commander in chief?
RENDELL: Well, sure. Look, there, there's rhetoric in a campaign on all, on all sides, and I, I think the, the issue should be framed as ready compared to Hillary Clinton. And, and that's the way I would frame the issue going forward. To me, there's no contest. I don't think -- it's not Barack Obama's fault. I think almost any of the other candidates would have fallen into the same category....
And that, as they say, was that: A rather indelicate, Emily Litella retreat from the campaign's principal offensive front. Never mind.
But what of this dicey coin's other side? -- the issue of Hillary as veep, which I raised yesterday as a party-mending salve.
The chief objection to this, of course, is that Clinton's savaging of a fellow Democratic candidate as unfit as commander in chief is not only inexcusable, but unprecedented. And while I won't -- can't -- differ with the inexcusable argument, her wretched behavior is, nonetheless, not entirely unprecedented.
See, for instance, Even Thomas' marvelous Bobby Kennedy: His Life, which I happen to have just read, for it contains an instructive reminder. To wit ...
When John Kennedy surprisingly secured the necessary delegates for a first-ballot nomination, competitor Lyndon Johnson, in a last-ditch effort to "stop Kennedy" before the vote, first instructed his surrogates to leak to the press that the party's impending nominee was suffering from a terminal disease (Addison's) -- that JFK was, in short, a dying man. But more than that, LBJ then staged a news conference in which he accused Joseph Kennedy Sr. as having been, in the 1930s, a "[Neville] Chamberlain umbrella man" -- in effect, a Nazi appeaser.
Read broadly, it was close to calling the old man's scion a closet quisling by familial association, but at the barest minimum, designed to call into question Kennedy's fitness as commander in chief.
Bobby, as Evan Thomas described him, was understandably "apoplectic" at this and threatened LBJ's organization in unambiguous terms: "You'll get yours." Meanwhile, however, John Kennedy "blithely" overlooked all the fuss -- Obama-like -- and chose Johnson as his running mate, even though other immensely powerful Democratic voices, such as the UAW's political operation, had warned the Kennedys: "If you do this, you're going to fuck everything up."
They didn't, and it didn't. The inexcusable was excused party-wide and soon forgotten. That's politics, and something Gov. Ed Rendell yesterday was, however painfully executed, reminding us.
That's not to say -- for this is politics, too -- that President Obama would not soon determine that the best possible use of Vice-President Clinton would be her investigating the effects of global warming in Antarctica, likely an eight-year mission. Welcome once again to the White House, Hillary, and a hearty goodbye. Dress warmly.
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you see what happened to JFK didn't you.
More dirty Repugnican tricks from the Clintons
Apparently, one of the Repugnican tricks the Clintons pulled to get the Republican out to vote for her in Texas was for Bill to go on the Rush Limbaugh show and urge of Rush's ditto heads to vote for Hillary!
This was arranged by Rush calling in "sick" so that Clinton would have an acceptable substitute host. Rush's audience of ditto heads, however did not call in "sick," and many thousands of them marched to the polls and voted for Hillary.
Despite Clintons' sleazy treachery, Obama still won the Texas delegate count.
Proofread
More on Bradley
Talk about not paying attention...
Talk about not paying attention!
Sheesh!
Footnotes and Links
So your point is...
So your point is we should embrace First Lady Macbeth because she's not a trend setter? We should tolerate her campaign's vicious bile and stench because we've smelled it before? We should let her tear the party apart because it's been torn before?
Is that your point?
Then it's meaningless. We've accused Hillary of all kinds of things. But I don't think anyone here has accused her of originality.
If you were listening, you would know how sick we are that she has decided to follow Karl Rove's act with her rather clumsy imitation.
And I thought the Spitzer story was flakey
Breaking News: Gov. Spitzer caught with pants down
Now here's a golden opportunity for Hillary to name an even better running mate than "inexperienced" Obama.
The New York Times just reported Hillary's buddy, New York Gov. Elliott Spitzer, was just caught with his pants down (so to speak). The governor has just admitted to being one of the frequent fliers at a high-priced prostitution ring.
This is the former NY Attorney General who made news by going after glitzy, high-priced prostitution rings and holding press conferences to denounce those operations with disgust.
Seems like he's learned how to get past his disgust.
Considering that his Repugnican-like hypocrisy is a good match for Hillary Clinton's, I urge her to consider the Governor for her ticket instead of Obama. He comes already corrupted and won't need any breaking in. And there are additional benefits:
With Spitzer holding call-girl parties in the Vice President's office, she'll won't have to worry so much about Bill giving his lollipop to her White House interns every time her back is turned.
Enough is enough
What I'm trying to say with this is that we have to stop electing sleazy hypocrites, like Spitzer and the Clintons.
If progressive democrats are going to prove their case to the rest of American voters, we need to support candidates who don't behave like Spitzer, the Clintons, or others who have been making our party indistinguishable from the Repugnicans.
Finally, in Obama, we have a clean, charismatic Democratic candidate who's showed he not only can win, but that he can draw enormous voter turnouts and help Democrats win in even the most tightly held Repuginican seats.
Imagine, helping an unknown physicist take the "safe" Republican seat that was just vacated by former Speaker of the House Hastert. What greater sign from the Gods do we need? Are we so addicted to losing that we just won't listen? Have we learned nothing from years of watching the recklessness of Bill and Hillary Clinton, which cost us so much already?
Why are we trying to find a way to bring these old skeletons out of the Democratic closet and shove them back into the White House?
Enough's enough. No more sleaze. No more hypocrisy. No more Clintons. It's time to build a new progressive Democratic party and take our government back from the crooks and creeps of both parties.
Me!
the presidency
When talking about the Presidency, we won't settle for deja vu
P.M., the NY Times article you referenced also said this about Hillary Clinton's management style:
"Again and again, the senator was portrayed as a manager who valued loyalty and familiarity over experience and expertise."
Who else here is getting a sickening, stomach-turning sense of deja vu?
After eight years of screaming our heads off against America's manager-in-chief who values loyalty and familiarity over experience and expertise, why the hell would any of us want to repeat this tragic mistake?
You're also forgetting, picking LBJ was widely hailed as a politically smart move, which enabled Kennedy to narrowly defeat Nixon. Without LBJ bringing Kennedy Texas, Nixon would have staged Watergate a decade earlier.
With the exception of Arkansas, Clinton would bring no state onto the Democratic side that Obama cannot win on his own. The bullshit claim that Obama won't win California, New York, Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc. on his own is just that, bullshit.
By the way, I'm starting to worry that your column's name has no other meaning but the common one: A secret sympathizer or supporter of an enemy that engages in sabotage from within. Tell us it isn't so.
Obvious in the Campaign
What's not clear..
Unfortunately, it's not clear enough to the Democratic Leadership Council bosses, who are backing the Clintons. They're the ones who are propping her up and allowing her to smash the party with her me-me-me-me-me tantrums. Their interests are tied to the Clintons, not to Obama. And they're nearly as stubborn as First Lady Macbeth.
I just hope they're not as suicidal.
As for putting the Clintons back in the White House
We do too...
As For Putting Billary Back In the White House
We ALL want peace and prosperity. But it's not a nostalia-commod
What a disappointment you have become P.M.
Next time don't check your logic at the door...
Do you care so little about
What my crystal ball says
Here's what my crystal ball predicts if we put First Lady Macbeth in charge of Global Warming Control and banish her to Antarctica:
-- By the year 2011, U.S. customs and border control agents will be overwhelmed trying to stem the tide of illegal penguin immigration.
-- Efforts to get Bill to smoke excess carbon dioxide failed because he refused to inhale.
-- Habeas corpus will be denied to thousands of broadcast and newspaper meteorologists as they're carted off in shackles to the new Guantanamo Bay prison camp.
-- Hillary and her supporters will justify her failed attempt to stop global warming by pointing out how easy it is for people living in the world's most arid regions to now get fresh water: They just have to melt all the icebergs floating off their coasts, which were once part of the giant Antarctic ice sheet.
-- They will also point out that her re-failure to get universal health care is being mitigated by the warmer climate: "People are catching fewer colds," Vice President Clinton declares.
You got to admire that woman: Life gives her deadly nightshade, so she makes lemonade.
Agreed, P.M. Carpenter must be joking
Hillary sucks worse than Monica...
Clinton as Veep
Don't forget that George HW Bush was in the grassy knoll
And I think
And I think there's a photograph somewhere of Dick Cheney, gun in hand, standing on the adjacent overpass.
He was just duck hunting, the Warren Commission concluded.
[Note for humor impaired: joke]
The Spin is Maddening!