It's Coming: Obama/Clinton
THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter
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This comes from a gut feeling and scattered anecdotal evidence as much as hard facts, but I think the eventual denouement to the Democratic bloodbath is finally coming into focus: Well before the convention it will be Obama/Clinton -- assuming that, in the interlude, Hillary doesn't overplay her losing hand even more egregiously than she already has.
At first Clinton's inevitability-campaign was realistically grounded. It didn't seem that anyone could possibly compete in money or name ID or party-insider connections. Those were her halcyon days of wine and roses; nary a worry in the offing on the road to the nomination.
But someone did compete. Boy, did he ever. So after being outvoted and out-moneyed for weeks on end, the Clinton campaign recently resorted in desperation to a laughably transparent, faux inevitability -- dropping unsubtle hints that sure, it would be happy to ponder a Clinton/Obama ticket. Nothing has changed, to hear the Clinton camp tell it, except Hillary's newly inflated willingness to embrace this pesky upstart.
For a few days Clinton's tactical chutzpah nearly smothered the indelible reality. But gradually, like an aggressive antibiotic, the imposing reality began to kick in again among the pace-setting, television-network commentariat class. One now hears it with increasing frequency: Wait a minute. Obama is ahead. Sorry, folks, we sort of lost ourselves in all the spin, but both feet are now back on Earth.
Wyoming was the first cold douse of reality revisited; Mississippi in two days will be the next. And Pennsylvania -- six long, grueling, agonizing weeks away -- will put a bow on it, but not until its intervening and needless agony causes sufficient superdelegates to finally and preemptively announce that enough is enough. Between now and April 22, look for the Obama train to take on a lot more superdelegate passengers.
For they really and quite simply have no choice, both realistically and politically speaking.
Numbers are numbers. Already more than two-thirds of the states have cast primary or caucus ballots, and Obama not only possesses but is sure to maintain a decisive lead in derived pledged delegates. There aren't enough states left for Clinton to compensate, and that's an insurmountable fact of the electoral future.
Moreover, and just as critical, Obama maintains a lead in the amassed popular vote. If anything could have done lethal harm to Obama's argument -- and it is just an argument, by the way, not any attempted "change" in rules -- that whoever leads in pledged delegates should properly secure the loyalty of superdelegates, it would have been an offsetting popular-vote plurality by Clinton. But she's been unable to produce one, and the history of the past two-and-a-half months strongly suggests a continuation of the popular status quo.
Those are the realistically speaking parts. And politically speaking there is no way -- absolutely no way, so we should all just put it out of our minds right now as part of our tough-love reality check -- that several hundred tuned-in superdelegates with a self-interested eye to the future are going to defy both the popular and pledged-delegate will.
Furthermore, and perfectly aside from the numerically ethical argument, superdelegates are worried about more than just who captures the nomination per se. They worry, of course, about their own turf. And the Obama campaign's selling point that it will "provide a better climate for down-ballot candidates" is as profoundly persuasive as it is self-interested itself.
So as Clinton and Obama needlessly spill more blood in Pennsylvania, watch for an announced-superdelegate shift meant to signal to voters that though blood there may be, it is, in reality, all over.
And watch as well for a corresponding sales pitch from the Obama camp: It's true that Clinton is conducting a scorched-earth campaign of GOP design and dimensions, calling into question Obama's experience, trustworthiness and, most squalidly, his fitness as commander in chief; and it's further true that for at least the past several days John McCain has had no better friend than the Democratic senator from New York. But politics is about bending and moving on, and the best possible bend at this point is that sure, he'll stoop to embrace Hillary as veep.
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Obama's running mate
Hillary and Obama
Clinton's big "Republican" win in Ohio
Guys, did you see the story in the Cleveland Plain Dealer? Seems Hillary got by with a little help from her friends - in the Republican party. (She should take her partner McCain out to lunch to thank him. Probably should take Rush too.)
16,000 Republicans in one county alone crossed over and voted in Ohio's Democratic primary.
However, Ohio law stipulates that those switching parties to vote have to sign a pledge card vowing allegiance to their new party.
So what did the Repugnicans do? They mockingly scribbled messages like, "For one day only," and "I don't believe in abortions," yet they still were allowed to vote.
Oh, these Repugnican dirty trickters! You gotta love them ... in the pits of hell.
It appears we have quite a few of these guys right here in BuzzFlash, bashing Obama and urging us to support the Republican's favorite Democrat.
I say, if Republicans want Hillary, let's give her to them. We need to tell our party leaders to stop this disaster while they still can.
Let Hillary join buddy McCain on the Republican ticket, where she might be more comfortable. And if she's not, progressive democrats of America certainly will.
The numbers
An example of Clinton Foreign policy
this is exactly what I'm talking about
You know, Slick..I'm pretty damn sure that the "freeper" here...
yes this is my brilliant freeper strategey:
No my friend...
you can't seriously be suggesting
Like I said...
Bill Clinton isn't actually running but...
Hey Slick
You're about as slick as they come, Slick. But here at BuzzFlash, you don't get away with such transparent revisionism.
Clinton was NOT "impeached for private legal behavior." He was impeached for lying under oath about that private legal behavior.
Putting aside the legitimacy of impeaching a President for lying under oath on a matter that was NOT germane to the civil suit -- Bill Clinton didn't seem to learn anything from Watergate and the arrogance that brought Nixon down:
It's not the crime that will get you, it's the cover up.
not ONE SINGLE PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF THE US
the reason the hysterical reaction to clinton is clinton hate
No this is called subterfuge
"That is why it is called clinton hatred."
No, this is called Republican subterfuge.
Slick Willie says the reason so many democrats hate Hillary is because she is a confirmed centrist democrat, unlike Obama who's concealing his centrist membership card.
So how can he explain why the epitome of centrist democrats Bill Clinton was so vastly popular among the Democrats throughout the 1990s and beyond?
Nor does he explain why millions of long-time Hillary supporters have been turned into Hillary haters in the last few weeks.
I doubt he'll stick around to explain. He'll probably pop up with a different screen name to attack Obama supporters. Real slick.
Yeah?
Slick Willie must be a Repuglican plant
look at obamas record and policy proposals
Don't need to go much further...
she hasn't done anything different than obama
I've seen better rationalizations...
the true test of which of us is either lying, crazy
No it's not the true test...
are you going to answer the question?
ARE YOU HIGH??
hillary will be supporting obama, count on it
Really...
His name says it all
OK, it's time to stop feeding the troll. Slick Willie's name says it all.
bush called reagans supply side tax cuts "voodo economics"
Well, Slick...
calling it voodoo economics
Actually, there might be method in her madness
It just struck me (like a falling red wood tree) that there might be some amazing method in Lady Macbeth's apparent madness.
No pundit has come up with a plausible reason for such a seasoned, in-control campaigner like Hillary to poison the party's drinking well, with her shocking endorsement of McCain as having better Commander in Chief credentials than Obama. I think I see a method behind this madness.
The comments below, by me and others, paint a clear picture why there can be no plausible Democratic Obama-Clinton ticket. Hillary effectively aborted that choice with her denunciation of Obama as being unfit to command the U.S. armed forces. So that compromise is dead-borne.
But with a compromise putting her on top of the ticket, Obama's so-called inadequacies in handling national crises will not be problem. His "inexperience" cannot be used by the Repugnicans against the Democratic ticket. And in 8 years, Obama should then be "ready for the job."
So with a few fell whoops on the campaign trail, Hillary has made it clear that, 1) if she loses she will take the Democratic house down with her; 2) they can't give her the Vice President slot because that would make her attack on Obama's competency unassailable; and 3) the only way around the impasse is to place her on top of the Democratic ticket; point, game, match.
No one should ever underestimate the canniness of this woman. In her sleep, she can probably out Rove Rove.
it makes a lot of sense
here's some more sense
You don't necessarily have to anger progressive democrats into voting for McCain instead of Hillary to lose the election (although I suspect quite a few will switch to McCain, because they view Clinton as the far greater threat to democracy).
All that's needed for the Repugnicans to win is for enough democrats and independents to stay home on election day.
Few probably doubt that the Democrats would lose millions of votes in November (along with the loss of many additional Congressional seats), if Hillary is allowed to steal the nomination from the candidate with the most popular votes and delegates.
There's no way in hell that I'd vote for her. I hope I won't be forced to decide whether to stay home or vote for McCain. I can't stand Sophie's choices.
"No way you'd vote for her"? Really?
Gotta keep the storyline straight, Askolnick. Just the other day, you said, "If Clinton somehow wins the nomination, I probably would reluctantly head over to my polling place, step into the booth, hold my nose with one hand, and vote for her with the other."
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/carpenter/002
What a difference a few days can make. I'll check back with you in a few days to see if you're working for her campaign.
Putz, that was before Clinton joined McCain's ticket
Yman, ya putz, that was before Clinton joined the McCain ticket.
I won't vote for anyone who backs Crazy McCain for Commander in Chief even if she's also on the Democratic ticket!
You rethugs really think you're going to destroy the Democratic Party by coming here and beating the drum for the party's biggest embarrassment?
Democratic leaders are going to listen to voters, rather than a bunch of dirty tricksters in donkey suits.
You guys must think we're as dumb as those who vote Republican.
you attitude towrds clinton is completely irrational
No...
It's Coming: Obama/Clinton
Are You Insane!?!
Has anyone noted that the people floating this so-called "Dream Ticket" are REPUBLICANS?!!!!
Let's get down to basics - it's NOT who gets the votes that wins; it's who LOSES the votes who loses! (Don't believe it? Just ask Karl or note that with each election cycle, the percentage of voters DECLINES as the campaigns become ever more skillful!)
Amerika remains a racist and misogynist society. (Sorry, but we have to deal with reality here.)
Barak is non-white and Hillary is female; add in the fact that she brings Bubba with her and this "Dream Ticket" is a Republican WET DREAM of monumental proportions. (As in Republican super-majorities as well as a McCain presidency.)
Either one is going to have a far more daunting challenge than anyone seems to grasp - together, each will be a millstone around the other's neck.
Once again, the Democrats are poised to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory....
It's Coming: Obama/Clinton
Hillary's personality
Absolutely...
Now that you mention the DLC...
It will not be Hillary.
I wouln't trust her...
Hillary sucks worse than Monica...
Yeah, but
Yeah, but she gives good cigar.
Now that's experience...