Clinton's Curious Claims, Obama's Altered Democracy, and a Possible Resolution
THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter
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Probably my most cherished memory of the many talk-radio callers I've heard over the years is that of an intensely fatuous regular who asked one morning in the 1990s of Hillary Clinton (who, as I recall, had just committed some now-unremembered political sin): "How stupid does she think we is?"
That caller was always immeasurably good fun, but after the Clinton administration retired he retired as well, from the airwaves, to delight me nevermore. Yet the other night -- primary night -- his words that morning came back to me in a flash as I listened to his old bugbear, Hillary, address a victory rally in Ohio. As she spoke I found myself asking, How stupid does she think we is?
Her first brazen insult to electoral intelligence came early, loud, and wrapped in the following implausible laundry list: "You all know that if we want a Democratic president, we need a Democratic nominee who can win the battleground states, just like Ohio. And that is what we've done. We've won Florida, Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, Michigan, New Hampshire, Arkansas, California, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Oklahoma and Tennessee."
Her stately recitation reminded me of the teenager Toad in "American Graffiti" who casually added a bottle of hooch to a lengthy list of items requested at a liquor store, hoping the clerk wouldn't notice the illicit incongruity. Right, I'll have some gum, hair tonic, a pint of Jack Daniels, Florida, Michigan and a comb, please.
When you want to get away with political larceny, just act like it's nothing out of the ordinary. And sure enough, Hillary's crowd went wild in violent agreement.
Another non sequitur that Hillary even more chronically serves up is that in the primaries she alone has won the "big" states, the "important" states, such as California and New York -- states, she goes on to say, that Democrats must carry in the general if they're to have any hope. Ergo her primary victories and Obama's losses in these states, she implies, prove that she alone can win them in November.
Again, it's a kind of underhanded, bullying assumption of the electorate's stupidity -- trusting that few stop to realize how solidly blue these states are; that sure, in a contested primary some Democrat must lose, but that loser would slide home in the general as easily as the primary victor.
I don't really blame Hillary for retailing these insults to what passes for the multitudes' intelligence -- after all, 62 million of us voted for George W. Bush in 2004 -- but it does irk that the reportedly harsh and Hillary-hating media don't stop her after each and every campaign conclave and press the question: Were you honestly saying, just now, that you don't believe Obama can carry the Republican-repellent state of California? Oh, and by the way, how did Florida and Michigan primary victories in the non-competing non-primary states of Florida and Michigan get in there?
Also nonchalantly slipped by the electorate is Hillary & Co.'s screeching U-turn on the momentum vs. math superhighway. Originally the Clinton campaign insisted with businesslike solemnity that the race is all about math, not momentum. That was when they believed the math was on their side. Now, whoosh, they insist with equal solemnity and without a dram of self-aware shame that the race is actually all about momentum, not math.
Simultaneously they've tried to muddle what is, in fact, the rather straightforward matter of math. And based on the plentiful emails I've received from Clinton supporters, they've been robustly successful in their muddlement.
This really, as they say, isn't rocket science. For the inescapable basics are these: True, neither Clinton or Obama will reach the magic 2,025 delegate count by convention time. Obama, however -- barring unimaginably staggering victories by Clinton from here on out -- will still hold a plurality of those pledged delegates by convention time. Which is to say, simply, he'll go into the convention with more delegates derived from voters than Hillary. That reality is as close to an absolute certainty as absolute certainties come.
And from this further derives some rather unassailable logic -- basic democracy stuff, you know, wherein the majority rules. If, among two candidates at a nominating convention, one holds more votes popularly won than the other but is still short of a needed 2,025, it would seem, democratically speaking, that the leading candidate deserves the deciding votes cast by superdelegates. To argue otherwise -- that the second-place candidate is more deserving in a (D)emocratic forum than the first-place candidate -- is a real head-scratcher.
Appearing on "Hardball" yesterday, Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe was asked about the democratic virtue of even a single-vote majority, with Chris Matthews adeptly quoting the Democratic Party's founder, Tom Jefferson: "the majority of a single vote as [is] sacred as if unanimous." What said Terry to this democratic axiom? Not much, for he bobbed and dodged the question by trying to cite legalistic rules and technicalities as the ultimate authority. But in other, plainer words, he was saying no, the Clinton campaign gives not one whit about all that democratic fussiness stuff. He also clearly believed that if he just dispensed with it quickly enough, no one would notice.
How stupid, indeed, do they think we is?
I should like to not altogether whimsically float, however, a possible resolution to the prevailing madness that faces no end in sight, except a severely and debilitatingly divided party. And the solution, not a speech, is this: If the party is intent on abusing democracy, then it can nominate neither Clinton or Obama.
If, that is, it looks like sufficient superdelegates are about to steal the popular will by siding with Hillary, then, in league with his pledged ones in addition to as many supers as he can muster, Obama could throw his support to, say, a Senator Russ Feingold or Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky -- anybody who denied authorization for Bush's idiotic and illegal war. Joe Biden would have been an appealing natural, but, alas, he committed the same unconscionably opportunistic sin as Hillary.
Such an escape route might convince enough superdelegates to pull in the reins before careening over the divisive edge. If it's democracy denial they seek, they might as well go whole hog and at least nominate a potential unifier, and not a certain divider.
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Clinton vs Obama vs McCain
It is being discussed
LeeAnn, see my comments in Carpenter's blog today. Also, see Keith Olbermann's segment on her praise of the Republican nominee in last night's Countdown. He and Bloomberg News columnist Margaret Carlson discussed Clinton's latest sleazy gambit.
I think Clinton is doing this to send a message to Democratic party leaders. That message, any way you interpret it, is ominous. She appears to be telling them that she's going to get the Democratic nomination one way or the other and they better decide how they want to give it to her.
Obama, Clinton, McCain
No one who voted for the War...
What's really driving Hilliary?
What's really driving Hilliary's scorched earth policy? Is it just an ambition that would make Lady Macbeth blush?
Maybe. But could it also be a deep desire for payback? You know, to humiliate Bill by being caught overly friendly with an airhead intern in the Oval Office? You know what they say about a woman scorned.
I hear she's even taken up cigars.
cigars
Alas, not when it comes to the Clintons
Alas, not when it comes to the Clintons. They could make even Sigmund blush.
wrong turn
It's not "Clinton haters" who made the "wrong turn"
It's the Clintons who made the wrong turn.
You shouldn't blame progressives for hating any politician who turns to fear-mongering, corruption, and sleazy politics.
That's what we're supposed to do. We hate corruption, we hate sleazy politics, and we hate betrayers of democracy.
I think the blog you want is all the way to the right and straight down to hell.
obamaflash.org now no longer buzzflash
death of buzzflash?
Hey, allyourbase
not really the enemy
Allergies
Wrong item of plumbing
Actually Will, it's much worse than that. If you saw Clinton's TV ad in which Sen. Obama's face was darkened, you'd realize that the Clintons aren't throwing sinks. They are now throwing the toilet.
Gore/Obama
possibly
Quit defending bad tactics
Guilt?
Don't talk to US about guilt. We're feeling plenty of guilt having defended the corruption of the Clintons for more than 15 years.
Enough's enough.
phony
You must know something... no, that can't be true
no guilt?
and so if mccain wins in 2008 because hillary gets nominated and you sat home or voted for nader, you wouldn't feel guilty? well, actually guilty is probably not the correct word for how you'd likely feel. but you would get to complain online for the next 4 to 8 years as the country and the planet went to hades. so maybe you'd feel happy that you stuck to your principles. and yeah let's not forget that bill clinton's presidency was 8 horrible, terrible, awful, no-good, very bad years of peace and prosperity. and let's be sure to compare hillary to bush/cheney/rove because that makes so much sense to do that.
ok, you personally didn't do all that, so far as i know, but i am also responding more generally to the shrill tenor of so many obama supporters on this website and others.
Still time
I Couldn't Agree More, Will
Not the message to send
Will, I can understand your position, but I fear this is not the message we can afford to send the Democratic party bosses.
Remember, these are the bosses that continue to capitulate to Cheney-Bush's criminal conspiracy that is shredding our Constitution.
These are the bosses who refuse to stop the Iraq war - or even to impose meaningful benchmarks on the parasitic Iraq "government."
These are the bosses who refused to stop the appointment of two more fascists to the Supreme Court bench.
These are the bosses who refused to stop the appointment of an Attorney General, after he made it pretty clear that he would not defend the Constitution or national and international laws against torture.
These bosses need to hear from us that if they steal the nomination from Obama, the way the Repugnicans twice stole the Presidency from Democrats, they will not have any meaningful party to boss for a long time to come.
If they continue to facilitate the Republican's criminal rule, we need to stop pretending that government of the United States is anything but a single party dictatorship.
We either fight for our democracy now or we will deserve the government we get in November.
Askolnick. I have a
Your arguments are sound
Your arguments are sound, Will.
Still, we must not let Democratic Party bosses sell us down the river -- as they have consistently done since letting Bush steal the Presidency eight long, bloody years ago.
Are we all forgetting how Congressman Alcee Hastings, Congresswoman Corrine Brown, and the rest of the black Congressional Caucus were humiliated and betrayed by their fellow Democrats in the US Senate -- all of whom refused to cosign a point of order complaint over the widespread disenfranchisement of thousands of African-American voters in Florida during the 2000 election? NOT ONE GOD DAMN Democratic Senator was willing to face the wrath of the Repugnicans by standing up for the voting rights of black Americans in Republican run states.
And now we're facing the possibility that they're going to deny the nomination to a black candidate who is ahead of Clinton in every measure except the number of sleazy attack ads.
We need to make these fine specimens of Cnidaria understand that if they allow either McCain or Macbeth to steal the Presidency, they will have no significant party left to boss.
Men and women like Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, and Feinstein are guided less by principles then they are by their seedy self-interests. We better appeal to those self-interests, because appealing to their principles has gotten nothing but a half-shredded Constitution and a 100-year war for McCain to dream of playing Warrior-President.
In 2006, progressive democrats gave them a majority in both chambers of Congress. And they've betrayed us repeatedly. If they continue to betray us, we need to retire them or at least strip them of as much power as we can.
As long as they are willing to submit to Republican rule, then let us end this sham of a Democratic majority.
RE: Guilt
Naw - He'll Blame it on Nader, b/c that fits his "narrative"!
No. More like a sense of a job well done.
Not guilt. Allybabble would more likely be bearing a grin of a job well done.
Rush Limbaugh and 6 to 10 percent of the voters Clinton received Tuesday were from Repugnicans who crossed over in order to save McCain from having to face Sen. Obama in the November election.
And that's just what Allybabble is doing here: Trying to tear votes from Obama in order to steal the election a THIRD STRAIT TIME from progressive democrats.
When will the American people finally stand up to these thugs?
Ohio just did for HRC what it did for Bush in 2004
If you believe that Bush won in 2004 by the recorded 62-59m...
The ease with which she lies
Majority rules, not
After Nancy Pelosi's
SUPER DELEGATE AND HONOR?
Honor? Not in this horse race
Lowalteen, not in this horse race, where we're supposed to play by Clinton's rules.
In this race, the "by-a-nose" rule applies only to white horses, either stallions or their mares. Black horses must win by at least the length of 40 states.