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Clinton's Curious Claims, Obama's Altered Democracy, and a Possible Resolution

THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

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Probably my most cherished memory of the many talk-radio callers I've heard over the years is that of an intensely fatuous regular who asked one morning in the 1990s of Hillary Clinton (who, as I recall, had just committed some now-unremembered political sin): "How stupid does she think we is?"

That caller was always immeasurably good fun, but after the Clinton administration retired he retired as well, from the airwaves, to delight me nevermore. Yet the other night -- primary night -- his words that morning came back to me in a flash as I listened to his old bugbear, Hillary, address a victory rally in Ohio. As she spoke I found myself asking, How stupid does she think we is?

Her first brazen insult to electoral intelligence came early, loud, and wrapped in the following implausible laundry list: "You all know that if we want a Democratic president, we need a Democratic nominee who can win the battleground states, just like Ohio. And that is what we've done. We've won Florida, Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, Michigan, New Hampshire, Arkansas, California, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Oklahoma and Tennessee."

Her stately recitation reminded me of the teenager Toad in "American Graffiti" who casually added a bottle of hooch to a lengthy list of items requested at a liquor store, hoping the clerk wouldn't notice the illicit incongruity. Right, I'll have some gum, hair tonic, a pint of Jack Daniels, Florida, Michigan and a comb, please.

When you want to get away with political larceny, just act like it's nothing out of the ordinary. And sure enough, Hillary's crowd went wild in violent agreement.

Another non sequitur that Hillary even more chronically serves up is that in the primaries she alone has won the "big" states, the "important" states, such as California and New York -- states, she goes on to say, that Democrats must carry in the general if they're to have any hope. Ergo her primary victories and Obama's losses in these states, she implies, prove that she alone can win them in November.

Again, it's a kind of underhanded, bullying assumption of the electorate's stupidity -- trusting that few stop to realize how solidly blue these states are; that sure, in a contested primary some Democrat must lose, but that loser would slide home in the general as easily as the primary victor.

I don't really blame Hillary for retailing these insults to what passes for the multitudes' intelligence -- after all, 62 million of us voted for George W. Bush in 2004 -- but it does irk that the reportedly harsh and Hillary-hating media don't stop her after each and every campaign conclave and press the question: Were you honestly saying, just now, that you don't believe Obama can carry the Republican-repellent state of California? Oh, and by the way, how did Florida and Michigan primary victories in the non-competing non-primary states of Florida and Michigan get in there?

Also nonchalantly slipped by the electorate is Hillary & Co.'s screeching U-turn on the momentum vs. math superhighway. Originally the Clinton campaign insisted with businesslike solemnity that the race is all about math, not momentum. That was when they believed the math was on their side. Now, whoosh, they insist with equal solemnity and without a dram of self-aware shame that the race is actually all about momentum, not math.

Simultaneously they've tried to muddle what is, in fact, the rather straightforward matter of math. And based on the plentiful emails I've received from Clinton supporters, they've been robustly successful in their muddlement.

This really, as they say, isn't rocket science. For the inescapable basics are these: True, neither Clinton or Obama will reach the magic 2,025 delegate count by convention time. Obama, however -- barring unimaginably staggering victories by Clinton from here on out -- will still hold a plurality of those pledged delegates by convention time. Which is to say, simply, he'll go into the convention with more delegates derived from voters than Hillary. That reality is as close to an absolute certainty as absolute certainties come.

And from this further derives some rather unassailable logic -- basic democracy stuff, you know, wherein the majority rules. If, among two candidates at a nominating convention, one holds more votes popularly won than the other but is still short of a needed 2,025, it would seem, democratically speaking, that the leading candidate deserves the deciding votes cast by superdelegates. To argue otherwise -- that the second-place candidate is more deserving in a (D)emocratic forum than the first-place candidate -- is a real head-scratcher.

Appearing on "Hardball" yesterday, Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe was asked about the democratic virtue of even a single-vote majority, with Chris Matthews adeptly quoting the Democratic Party's founder, Tom Jefferson: "the majority of a single vote as [is] sacred as if unanimous." What said Terry to this democratic axiom? Not much, for he bobbed and dodged the question by trying to cite legalistic rules and technicalities as the ultimate authority. But in other, plainer words, he was saying no, the Clinton campaign gives not one whit about all that democratic fussiness stuff. He also clearly believed that if he just dispensed with it quickly enough, no one would notice.

How stupid, indeed, do they think we is?

I should like to not altogether whimsically float, however, a possible resolution to the prevailing madness that faces no end in sight, except a severely and debilitatingly divided party. And the solution, not a speech, is this: If the party is intent on abusing democracy, then it can nominate neither Clinton or Obama.

If, that is, it looks like sufficient superdelegates are about to steal the popular will by siding with Hillary, then, in league with his pledged ones in addition to as many supers as he can muster, Obama could throw his support to, say, a Senator Russ Feingold or Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky -- anybody who denied authorization for Bush's idiotic and illegal war. Joe Biden would have been an appealing natural, but, alas, he committed the same unconscionably opportunistic sin as Hillary.

Such an escape route might convince enough superdelegates to pull in the reins before careening over the divisive edge. If it's democracy denial they seek, they might as well go whole hog and at least nominate a potential unifier, and not a certain divider.

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THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter




Clinton vs Obama vs McCain

I'm surprised that no one mentioned Clinton's implicit assertion that McCain would be a better president than Obama. When she said that she is experienced and McCain is experienced, but Obama has only his one speech in 2002 to run on, I was stunned. I suppose one could interpret this statement in a different way, but it seems that what Clinton meant was that experience is the one and only qualifier. Was she really saying that she has the experience and so does McCain, and therefore, she'd prefer her republican rival to her democratic one? That's certainly what it sounded like! In the event that Obama gets the nomination, the republicans can jump all over this one: "Even Obama's democratic opponent said that Senator McCain is more qualified to be president." Holy cow! What was she thinking? How stupid does she think the republicans is? Lately I've been reading more about the Clinton and Obama policies, and they don't seem all that different. Mother Jones Magazine, for example, even gave the Clinton platform a slight edge. For me, neither is sufficiently progressive to capture my loyalty the way a Kucinich candidacy, for example, would do. However, no matter the minor differences between the politics of Clinton and Obama; for me there's a matter of character. This last ploy of Clinton's was the final straw of nastiness, inuendo, and outright Rovian tactics. At this point, I'm not sure I don't think even McCain would be better than she would! (Just kidding - I couldn't possibly support that hypocritical old warmonger. Just making a point.)

It is being discussed

LeeAnn, see my comments in Carpenter's blog today. Also, see Keith Olbermann's segment on her praise of the Republican nominee in last night's Countdown. He and Bloomberg News columnist Margaret Carlson discussed Clinton's latest sleazy gambit.

I think Clinton is doing this to send a message to Democratic party leaders. That message, any way you interpret it, is ominous. She appears to be telling them that she's going to get the Democratic nomination one way or the other and they better decide how they want to give it to her.

Obama, Clinton, McCain

I'm sorry, but I've missed the part where there's any substantial difference between Billary & McCain. Obama, what a breath of fresh air, but can he move/change the entrenched Washington beaurocracy, now that it's been filled with Shrubbite minions? Stupidity should be painful to the stupid, too!

No one who voted for the War...

The 5th anniversary of the Invasion of Iraq is upon us. 5 long, costly years. Professor Stiglitz has clearly demonstrated the relationship between the 3 trillion dollar war and our nation's declining economy. Have we learned nothing in the past 7 1/2 years of NUKULAR self- destruction??? I am a 50 year-old caucasian female, a feminist since the 60's. I do not support Senator Hillary Clinton. In fact I reject and denounce her claims of 35 years of service to our country. WALMART is not my country! Dropping cluster bombs on civilians is not service to my country. Flag burning bans are not service to my country. And giving authorization to go to war pre-emptively against a sovereign nation, giving this authorization to a lying cheat of a sociopath named George W Bush, was the worst disservice to our nation in decades. I pray that the American electorate wakes up and chooses to reject and denounce endless war, hiring of cronies, back-room deals, triangulation, and chooses instead to vote for a candidate who understands the dire needs of this nation for a people-powered, grassroots reform movement. I would love to have our real President, Al Gore, weigh in on the deviciveness of the Democratic Primaries, before or at the convention.

What's really driving Hilliary?

What's really driving Hilliary's scorched earth policy? Is it just an ambition that would make Lady Macbeth blush?

Maybe. But could it also be a deep desire for payback? You know, to humiliate Bill by being caught overly friendly with an airhead intern in the Oval Office? You know what they say about a woman scorned.

I hear she's even taken up cigars.

cigars

"sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." freud.

Alas, not when it comes to the Clintons

Alas, not when it comes to the Clintons. They could make even Sigmund blush.

wrong turn

askolnick you seem to have taken a wrong turn at freerepublic.com, they like to duel over there, clinton haters for Obama can't be for real Bill from ct

It's not "Clinton haters" who made the "wrong turn"

It's the Clintons who made the wrong turn.

You shouldn't blame progressives for hating any politician who turns to fear-mongering, corruption, and sleazy politics.

That's what we're supposed to do. We hate corruption, we hate sleazy politics, and we hate betrayers of democracy.

I think the blog you want is all the way to the right and straight down to hell.

obamaflash.org now no longer buzzflash

and yet another bulletin from "obamaflash.org obama free advertising and commentary chock full of attitude." the 24/7/365 obama channel. now just all obama all the time...

death of buzzflash?

I thought this site was for enlightened,progressive types. The knuckle draggers have arrived. allyourbaseareb has it just about right. Bill from ct

Hey, allyourbase

Switch channels. It will make you feel better.

not really the enemy

no see i'm not really the enemy except in the eyes of those who want to see me that way. but that's not really MY problem -- catch my drift...

Allergies

Assuming you're a Hillary backer, I can understand your perspective. Speaking as an Obama backer, the chorus you're referring to reflects an almost "knee-jerk" reaction of the progressives to Hillary's campaign, of late. But appealing to your rationale Democratic Party instincts (hoping mine are intact), you must admit that throwing the slop in Kitchen Sinks at your fellow Democrat, well that deserves to be outed, don’t you think? Hillary's base is the traditional, older Democratic voter, more centrist "Blue Dogs", if you will. Progressives, by and large, have swung to Obama. Hence your concern, but how else should they respond? Buzzflash and many other prominent Progressive websites didn't begin singing their chorus of Clinton criticisms until after witnessing Hillary's campaign train come off the rails after Iowa. The crescendo since February 20th reflects the appliance tossing strategy she's employed since then. What she doesn't understand is that the Progressives are allergic to political mud and will react accordingly, especially when the kitchen sink thrown at you is from your house!

Wrong item of plumbing

Actually Will, it's much worse than that. If you saw Clinton's TV ad in which Sen. Obama's face was darkened, you'd realize that the Clintons aren't throwing sinks. They are now throwing the toilet.

Gore/Obama

If it gets increasingly ugly, and a bitter and divisive convention begins looking inevitable, what if the superdelegates came together, for the good of the party, to support Gore as the nominee? Then they would need to make a deal with the Hillary or Obama pledged delegates, probably needing to offer a VP slot to that candidate to get the necessary support. Considering that it is highly unlikely that Hillary would be interested in the VP slot, the likely outcome would be a Gore/Obama ticket, which, it turns out, is the strongest possible ticket the Democrats could run.

possibly

yeah i would vote for that enthusiastically. just as i would vote for gore/clinton, obama/edwards, clinton/edwards, clinton/obama and even for obama/clinton. tho i think obama would be even less inclined to go for obama/clinton than clinton/obama. i'm sure he's paid attention to the whole bush/cheney thing with the commentary about cheney being in charge. doubtful he'd want to deal with the comments about obama/clinton/clinton with him being top of the ticket but the junior partner among the three. the shrill anti-hillary tone of this website and many of its contributors worries me that they'll refuse to vote for her if she wins the nomination. on the other hand, i bet that many of hillary's supporters will vote for and campaign for obama if he wins the nomination. i would hope that the obama folks would feel some guilt over that but i doubt it as it does take a well-developed superego to feel guilt.

Quit defending bad tactics

I voted for Bill Clinton two times, despite his sleazy "I did not inhale" comment. I voted for Al Gore with absolutely no reservations (not knowing what a chickenhawk Joe Lieberman would turn out to be), I voted for the Winter Soldier in John Kerry despite his vote for the war resolution and the fratricide he helped commit against Howard Dean, and along those lines I would vote for Senator Clinton if that were the only choice. But that is not the only choice right now, and I am not the one saying John McCain is a better choice than Barack Obama---Hillary Clinton is doing that. It sickens me that there is fratricide being committed again during this primary season. It stinks of desperation and taints the candidate who condones it. If I must, I'll hold my nose and vote for Clinton, but I'd rather have some fresh air to clear the DC swamp.

Guilt?

Don't talk to US about guilt. We're feeling plenty of guilt having defended the corruption of the Clintons for more than 15 years.

Enough's enough.

phony

you've never defended the Clintons so knock off the crap Bill from CT

You must know something... no, that can't be true

A lot of us Obama supporters defended her and Bill in the 1990s and through the last 7 years of Shrub's regime; and with our own family members. So it wasn't fun. The school-yard BS you just pitched is the same mistake that's getting Hillary in such deep water in 2008.

no guilt?

and so if mccain wins in 2008 because hillary gets nominated and you sat home or voted for nader, you wouldn't feel guilty? well, actually guilty is probably not the correct word for how you'd likely feel. but you would get to complain online for the next 4 to 8 years as the country and the planet went to hades. so maybe you'd feel happy that you stuck to your principles. and yeah let's not forget that bill clinton's presidency was 8 horrible, terrible, awful, no-good, very bad years of peace and prosperity. and let's be sure to compare hillary to bush/cheney/rove because that makes so much sense to do that.

ok, you personally didn't do all that, so far as i know, but i am also responding more generally to the shrill tenor of so many obama supporters on this website and others.

Still time

You’re right, we don't want McCain to win if Hillary gets the nomination. That's a future decision, and I hope my fellow Obama backers agree to bury the hatchet in November, if it comes to that sad ending. But Hillary has got to follow Barack's example, and now. She needs to change course and begin adopting his rationale, civilized, and respectful tone – she is capable of doing this. That's the tonic we need to get over the 6 years of GOP Clinton-baiting followed by the last 7 years of GOP shrub-xenophobia. Additionally, Barack should be careful to avoid adopting her campaigns negative smear tactics. It's fine for both of them to point out their differences, and clarify what they see as the truth, but keep it civil and above all honest. If they do, these Democratic rifts may avoid becoming chasms. Let's face it, the math predicts that she will likely loose to Obama, and all the poles I've seen demonstrate the Barack will do much better vs. McCain than Hillary will. As much as Hillary's tactics have enraged me of late, and as much as she's looking like Joe Liebermann in drag, her presidency would be better than a third Bush regime run by a Dr. Strangelove. But if she continues in Rovian-style tactics, it may be hard for us to distinguish the difference.

I Couldn't Agree More, Will

Especially the "Hillary is increasingly looking like Bush in drag" - or maybe "Liebermann in a rust-colored pantsuit", which I've also said. Tell you what, AllYourBase and all you other Hillary apologists: You and her back off on the personal attacks and negative campaigning, and those of us who are supporting Obama b/c we believe he's the better current choice will, too. Otherwise, I at least am really failing to see any significant difference between Hillary Clinton and John McCain anymore - an opinion she apparently shares, as she's so eager to cuddle up to McCain to bash Obama lately she sounds like she's angling for his VP spot. Is THAT the best you DLC "centrist" types can do?

Not the message to send

Will, I can understand your position, but I fear this is not the message we can afford to send the Democratic party bosses.

Remember, these are the bosses that continue to capitulate to Cheney-Bush's criminal conspiracy that is shredding our Constitution.

These are the bosses who refuse to stop the Iraq war - or even to impose meaningful benchmarks on the parasitic Iraq "government."

These are the bosses who refused to stop the appointment of two more fascists to the Supreme Court bench.

These are the bosses who refused to stop the appointment of an Attorney General, after he made it pretty clear that he would not defend the Constitution or national and international laws against torture.

These bosses need to hear from us that if they steal the nomination from Obama, the way the Repugnicans twice stole the Presidency from Democrats, they will not have any meaningful party to boss for a long time to come.

If they continue to facilitate the Republican's criminal rule, we need to stop pretending that government of the United States is anything but a single party dictatorship.

We either fight for our democracy now or we will deserve the government we get in November.

Askolnick. I have a

Askolnick. I have a backward's Bush time counter on my desk that ticks off the days, hours, minutes, and deci-minutes till Shrub leaves office. Watching each 10th second speed down yields a particular pleasure beyond description, every time I look at it - I'm not kidding, its wonderful. I will not stand in the way of preventing a third Bush term, period. Your arguement is compelling and from a purist perpective, I applaud. But I cannot accept having a guy who sing's "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb - Bomb Iran" and "there will be more wars, my friends", as President. As lame as the 2006 Congress has been, they are not the GOP of the 21st Century. That entity lead by Dr. Strangelove McCain will finish this Republic and I'm not going to leave that as an inheritance for my 2 year old boy. We need your help.

Your arguments are sound

Your arguments are sound, Will.

Still, we must not let Democratic Party bosses sell us down the river -- as they have consistently done since letting Bush steal the Presidency eight long, bloody years ago.

Are we all forgetting how Congressman Alcee Hastings, Congresswoman Corrine Brown, and the rest of the black Congressional Caucus were humiliated and betrayed by their fellow Democrats in the US Senate -- all of whom refused to cosign a point of order complaint over the widespread disenfranchisement of thousands of African-American voters in Florida during the 2000 election? NOT ONE GOD DAMN Democratic Senator was willing to face the wrath of the Repugnicans by standing up for the voting rights of black Americans in Republican run states.

And now we're facing the possibility that they're going to deny the nomination to a black candidate who is ahead of Clinton in every measure except the number of sleazy attack ads.

We need to make these fine specimens of Cnidaria understand that if they allow either McCain or Macbeth to steal the Presidency, they will have no significant party left to boss.

Men and women like Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, and Feinstein are guided less by principles then they are by their seedy self-interests. We better appeal to those self-interests, because appealing to their principles has gotten nothing but a half-shredded Constitution and a 100-year war for McCain to dream of playing Warrior-President.

In 2006, progressive democrats gave them a majority in both chambers of Congress. And they've betrayed us repeatedly. If they continue to betray us, we need to retire them or at least strip them of as much power as we can.

As long as they are willing to submit to Republican rule, then let us end this sham of a Democratic majority.

RE: Guilt

What's up with You, allyourbase? Will YOU feel guilty if McCain wins if Clinton is the Democrat's nominee? She walked into the race with over 45% negatives. Have you thought at all about that? Or are you going to blame her losing the White House on "those crazy Obamamaniacs" refusing to vote for her? The cards are stacked against the Dems already: Rove is a free agent, based at FAUX NEWS, touchscreen machines are still "counting" votes across the nation, voters are still falling for fear tactics and the name Clinton is anathema to way too many sheeple already. Why do you keep flogging this dead horse? Are you looking for vengeance, or are you looking to get our nation back on track towards a hopeful future? Quit trying to blame Clinton's flaws on Obama and those of us who support him.

Naw - He'll Blame it on Nader, b/c that fits his "narrative"!

Same as everybody did in 2000 - but don't forget that it was Nader who pointed out that "Al Gore's worst enemy is Al Gore - he's running against a known criminal incompetent...and he's neck-and-neck with him?!?" I still remember John Stewart mentioning that on THE DAILY SHOW, and stopping for a moment before saying, "What can I say? When the man's right, he's right." But the "narrative" is to Blame Nader for Gore's Loss - even though Gore would have won so handily that even Rove at his most crooked couldn't have cooked the results If He Had Just Stayed True to Us Progressives. Gore sold the progressives down the river in 2000 (a fact everybody's conveniently forgotten) in an idiotic attempt to distance himself from Clinton's "sleaze" by picking Holy Joe Liebermann, and thus forgot to provide America with a real alternative to Bush - at least that's how it appeared in 2000. History proved Gore at least certainly would have been a considerable alternative - but in 2000, Al Gore was the guy who let his bipolar wife run riot trying to censor the music industry, allied to some uptight paper-money "moralist" who did his level best to censor the videogame industry. If I wanted censors in power I'd vote Republican, thanks all the same.

No. More like a sense of a job well done.

Not guilt. Allybabble would more likely be bearing a grin of a job well done.

Rush Limbaugh and 6 to 10 percent of the voters Clinton received Tuesday were from Repugnicans who crossed over in order to save McCain from having to face Sen. Obama in the November election.

And that's just what Allybabble is doing here: Trying to tear votes from Obama in order to steal the election a THIRD STRAIT TIME from progressive democrats.

When will the American people finally stand up to these thugs?

Ohio just did for HRC what it did for Bush in 2004

truthisall.net Update: Mar.5, 10am Ohio just did for HRC what it did for Bush in 2004. Clinton won the final 2-party Ohio vote by 55.23-44.77% (100% reporting) http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/ The 9pm exit poll had Clinton leading by 51.65-48.35% (two-party) The Final Zogby poll had the race DEAD EVEN... http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1461 Bush's Ohio vote share exceeded his "pristine" exit poll share by 5%. Clinton's 2-party vote share exceeded her exit poll by 3.6% (55.23-51.65%). The probability that the 3.6% shift was due to chance is 1 in 4,436 (2% MoE). Assuming a 3% MoE, the probability is 1 in 103. Once again, just like in the 2008 New Hampshire primary and the 2004 stolen election, Zogby's projection was confirmed by the exit poll. It should be obvious by now to anyone who has analyzed the numbers: the elections are being stolen right before our eyes. But the media keeps blinders on the masses while catapulting the propaganda. They never mention the probability of election fraud as the root cause of the skew in pre-election and exit polls. Tommy Heinrich was a NY Yankee baseball player who played right field with Joe DiMaggio in center. His nickname was "Old Reliable" because he would always deliver in the "clutch" when it counted. Know this: Ohio is "Old Reliable" for the Republicans. It will deliver it's phantom votes in the clutch for John McCain just like Diebold's CEO and Secretary of State Blackwell delivered them for Bush in 2004. It's not who votes. It's who counts.

If you believe that Bush won in 2004 by the recorded 62-59m...

truthisall.net If you believe that Bush won in 2004 by the recorded 62-59m...then you must NOT believe that fraud occurred. But it should be obvious to anyone who has analyzed the numbers and the tangible evidence that election fraud was massive. How does an incumbent with a 48% approval rating who stole the 2000 election, who has lied about everything, and is universally acknowleged as the worst president in history, avoid the temptation (necessity) to steal the election? Especially when Democratic voter registration and turnout in 2004 overwhelmed the Republicans and brother Jebbie in Florida, Diebold and Ken Blackwell in Ohio and Karl Rove in the WH are pulling all the strings? So why would you believe it? Kerry won the TRUE VOTE by close to 66-58m. Here's the evidence. Election Fraud Polling Analysis: Confirmation of a Kerry Landslide http://www.geocities.com/electionmodel/FurtherConfirmationOfaKerryLandslide.htm

The ease with which she lies

To the above list, here are a couple of other whoppers that have become part of the MSM narrative: "No candidate in recent history has won the presidency without winning Ohio's primary." As "recent" as 1968 it wasn't true. And of course, Ohio holds its primary late. By the time Ohio voted in primaries after 1968, the nominee was already apparent, if not definite. So that's a lie. "After all, my husband in 1992 didn't sew up the nomination until June." Before primaries were front-loaded. In 1992, the California primary wasn't until June. With such slippery ease, she lies. And the people who make their voting choices from 2 minutes on the evening news are buying it. Obama had better change this dynamic and change it today. The press has obviously decided that being "fair" to Hillary means not reporting her lies. Obama needs to change that dynamic somehow. asap.

Majority rules, not

Who said the Democratic Party was a democracy? Like the electoral college, superdelegates exist for no other reason than to make sure there isn't too much democracy. Let's hope the wise heads of the Democratic Party are right now considering your resolution...and savoring the justice of Al Gore.

After Nancy Pelosi's

After Nancy Pelosi's performance as Speaker, I don't know what the party elite understand or believe. They may just fall for her nonsense. And give up our best chance in a generation to fill the voting booth with interested, informed committed young voters. I remember a politcal scientist once saying, if you're interested in your first two elections, you'll be interested for life. I believe the democratic party could throw that under the bus, to support a serial liar whose family has already had 8 years in the White House. Stunning. Absolutely stunning.

SUPER DELEGATE AND HONOR?

If A canidate is leading by one delegate at the end of the campaign. Then that canidate should be given all the super delegate votes. It's the same in horse racing if A horse crosses the finish line by A nose. It's the winner. If not there will be no interest in voting or races.

Honor? Not in this horse race

Lowalteen, not in this horse race, where we're supposed to play by Clinton's rules.

In this race, the "by-a-nose" rule applies only to white horses, either stallions or their mares. Black horses must win by at least the length of 40 states.