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Is the DNC enforcing some rules and agreements and not others?

FURTHER, A MAJOR STIPULATION -- NO ADVERTISING -- IN FLORIDA. OBAMA ADVERTISED IN FLORIDA, A FLAGRANT VIOLATION OF DNC RULES.

This is literally, capital letters and all, from a letter we received. But was it a violation? And more importantly, was it a violation of rules or an agreement? Does that make a difference? And if it is a violation, what was the penalty?

When I have written about the Florida-Michigan debacle, two things are clear. One, most people disagree with what I have written, and Two, rules are rules and rules shouldn't be broken.

Okay, I get that rules aren't to be broken. But what about agreements?

The rules were if Florida and Michigan went before they were supposed to, none of the delegates would be seated. For the sake of this piece, I won't go any further about that.

But what about the agreements? I ask that initially because of The New York Times essay written by Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) and Debbie Dingell, member of the Democratic National Committee, and wife of prominent Rep. John Dingell (D-MI).

"While Michigan Democrats were disappointed that our state was not selected for one of the four early contests, we appreciated the new rule for adding a bit of much-needed diversity to the early nominating process, and as a first step toward breaking the Iowa-New Hampshire lock. We announced that we would abide by the new calendar provided that other states did the same.

"But last August, the New Hampshire secretary of state indicated he was going to schedule his state's primary before the date specified, clearly defying the sequence and timing the party had set. Michigan Democratic leaders repeatedly asked the Democratic National Committee if it intended to penalize New Hampshire for this violation, but the committee refused to act.

"Rather than allow this broken system to persist, we challenged it by deciding to apportion our delegates according to the results of a primary scheduled by the Michigan Legislature for Jan. 15."

They use the word "rule" but it seems more like an agreement to me, but I'm not a lawyer. Assuming what Levin and Dingell are saying is true, did New Hampshire break the rules? Did New Hampshire break an agreement? What were the consequences?

The other reasons I bring this up are the side agreements the DNC had with candidates. And again as a non-lawyer, I figure you have to have agreements if rules don't apply. The DNC had rules to not seat delegates. But the DNC felt like it had to have agreements on top of the rules. The punishment against Florida and Michigan apparently wasn't enough -- the DNC compelled more from the candidates on top of the punishment given to the two states.

You could easily argue that why would candidates go to states where the delegates didn't count. But why did the DNC have agreements to further punish the states? Wasn't the punishment, as laid out in the rules, not sufficient? The agreements went above and beyond the rules; they were outside the rules.

The agreements were to not campaign in those states (depriving voters of at least hearing from these candidates), not to be on the ballot (so voters could at least express an opinion, even if it would ultimately not count), not advertise in those states (so local TV stations wouldn't get any money). But they did allow fundraisers -- so to the people (not the parties) of Michigan and Florida, their cash was good enough but spending time with voters wasn't?

So when the candidates violated those DNC agreements, were they penalized?

Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd, Mike Gravel, and Dennis Kucinich all appeared on the Michigan ballot. Were they penalized for being on the ballot?

Gravel and Kucinich campaigned in Michigan. Were they penalized for campaigning on the state?

You would be surprised how many people have written in complaining that Barack Obama advertised in Florida. Obama did run national ads. And as someone who covered marketing for a living and has worked in broadcast media, national ads are national. You can't run a national ad in only 48 states. Did the agreement only apply to local ads or any advertising? So if national advertising "counts" as advertising in Florida, did Obama break that part of the agreement? Were Obama and other candidates prohibited from running national ads because they would air in Florida? And if Obama violated the agreement, was he penalized for his actions?

And finally, did the candidates have an option to not sign the agreements in the first place. The DNC wanted the candidates to sign, but would there have been a punishment if they never signed it in the first place? And is an agreement binding if one party is forced to sign a deal? Again, I'm not a lawyer.

You could argue that the DNC doesn't have to release every punishment for every infraction, but you would think that announcing penalties would deter future actions.

For right or wrong, many felt that the RNC would ultimately seat all the delegates, even though its punishment was denying half of them. And some felt the DNC would ultimately seat some if not all of the delegates. Again, I'm not sure that was a good thing or bad thing to think. The state parties of both major parties likely gambled that their delegates wouldn't ultimately be denied.

It was a very bad gamble to take, but sometimes, organizations take those risks if they don't feel like rules and agreements will be enforced. Levin and Dingell argue that Michigan's stance stemmed from a lack of enforcement over New Hampshire. Selective enforcement of rules and agreements is a rather easy way to destroy trust. So if rules and agreements aren't meant to be broken, we need to know that is true up and down the line.

It has been pounded into my head that parties have the full discretion to make up their own rules. But political parties aren't monsters, they are human beings trying to do the best they can. They are us. If you can stand up in a room and proudly proclaim you are a Democrat and that you strongly support Democratic candidates, then you should have a say in how the Democratic Party is run.

We're told by right-wing people "America: Love it or Leave it." We reply that we want to make America better by making improvements. I don't like the "Love it or Leave it" mentality; I would like to make the Democratic Party better by making improvements. One way to start is making sure rules and agreements are consistently applied.


DNC Enforcing Some Rules & Not Others

I think the rules have been unfairly applied. The state of Florida did not affect the outcome of the 4 states that the DNC wanted to vote first but still we are punished here in Florida. I think the DNC is applying the rules unfairly to manipulate the outcome of the primary season. I am beginning to believe what I have heard from some commentators that the DNC is willing to concede Florida in the general election because they feel they cannot win it with Obama and he is the candidate they have coelested behind. There have been polls taken of Democrats in Florida and 25% have stated in these polls they will vote Republican in the general election in the fall if these votes are not counted as they were cast on January 29th. I have one question to ask all you Obama supporters, if this was your vote and it was being ignored would you just sit back and say I understand that a rule is a rule and that is okay? I know you you would be as upset at that prospect if the shoe was on the other foot and you would be lying if you stated otherwise. This is undemocratic and should not be tolerated regardless to how it effects the outcome. I will be one of those 25% that will be using my vote in the fall to protest the treatment that I have received from a party that I have supported for 36 years and I only hope that the percentage only gets larger and that Michigan voters join us for being locked out of such an important nominating process. I would also like to ask where is Jimmy Carter right now. I voted for him and have always supported his good work since he left office but I find it hard to accept that he goes to these other countries to monitor the vote to see that their elections are fair and that every vote is counted but he has not spoken up for us.

The big difference...

Between the attitudes of the Democratic and Rethuglican parties that I can see seems to boil down to the seeming fact that the political players in the Rethug party see themselves as Rethuglcans first over and above their specific political agenda (more conservative or less) whereas those in the Democratic party place their political agenda before the unity of their party. This primary cycle is a perfect example. McKrazy (Bush V.2) is already the shoe in for the rethug presidental candidate, while Hillary and the other less progressive Dems fight it out against the tide of progressive change and hope that Obama offers.

This lack of party unity and focus (not to mention fear of taking real action) is in my humble opinion one of the big reasons we're in the sad state of affairs that currently exists. When this once great democracy falls into fascism, it won't be Hillary or Obama's fault, but the fault of the entire Democratic party and their lack of unity.

Conspiracy

What kind of election is this when the voters in 2 big states that went for Hillary overwhelmingly are shut out because whiney little Obama and the incompetant DNC don't want to count their votes??? Is this a conspiracy against Hillary??? There's also TX, another big state, where Hillary won the primary, but it was someone's stupid or corrupt idea to throw in some corrupt caucuses to steal the delegates from the winner, Hillary. Then there's SC, who broke the same rule that FL and MI did, but I don't see anyone trying to steal Obama's delegates. No doubt someone will come up with another corrupt idea on how to steal PA, another big state, from Hillary, too. You may as well just skip any more elections and crown Obama. He can have fun until November, then turn it over to McCain.

Your comment is really funny

"There's also TX, another big state, where Hillary won the primary, but it was someone's stupid or corrupt idea to throw in some corrupt caucuses to steal the delegates from the winner, Hillary."

The someone's stupid or corrupt idea was himself, Bill Clinton, who according to the Texas Democratic Party, in 1991 helped write the rules currently in effect. Only after the polling turned to Obama's favor in late February, did Hillary Clinton utter the lie that the Texas caucus was so difficult to understand "it made grown men cry" trying to figure it out.

Florida Democratic Primary

The date that was set , January 29th, for Election Day in Florida was set by law by the Republican majority Florida Legislature and signed into law By Charlie Christ, the Republican Governor of Florida. This was the date set not only for the primaries, but also for state, local, county and municipal elections, bond issue votes, etc, and was the only date for which the State of Florida would pay for the election. It is true that the Democratic Party of Florida decided to hold its primary on that date but the consideration for doing so involved having the state pay the election expenses and also to not disenfranchise voters who would have decided to vote only on one day, not two separate days and therefore would have missed either the government related elections or the primary becoming essentially disenfranchised from one or the other. Below is an email I received from the Florida Democratic Party: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Florida Democrats, You spoke… …and your Party listened. As Chair of your Party, I am proud to officially announce that Florida’s Democratic Presidential Preference Primary will be held on January 29, 2008, in accordance with a new state law and the will of Florida’s Democratic voters. Although Democratic National Committee (DNC) rules can penalize states (except for Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina) that hold 2008 primaries prior to February 5, the Florida Democratic Party’s leadership determined that holding a process outside the state-run January 29th election would be detrimental to the voters of this state. We did not come to this decision on our own. Over the past few months, the Party discussed the issue with the DNC, Democratic Presidential candidates, Democratic leaders in Florida, and committed Florida Democrats like you. We read your emails and letters, and, in the end, a clear consensus emerged. Florida Democrats made it clear that a date other than January 29th would potentially disenfranchise voters and inhibit preparations for a winning 2008 campaign – a campaign that will deliver the state’s 27 crucial electoral votes on November 4, 2008 to the Democratic Presidential nominee. Also, we all know the importance of November, but the January 29 elections will affect the people of Florida as well, with important municipal races on the ballot in many cities, and a statewide property tax constitutional amendment that threatens county budgets and local jobs. As the Florida Democratic Party, we cannot and will not support disenfranchisement that could occur if our primary were held on a date other than January 29, 2008. Our state has seen far too much of this in the past. Also, we agree with many of you who wrote and e-mailed us with concerns that holding a separate, later election would take our eyes off the prize and adversely affect the progress made toward winning the state for the Democratic nominee in 2008. Like you’ve said, there’s just too much at stake. Because of these reasons, the Florida Democratic Party has respectfully requested that the DNC not enact penalties on our state or Democratic Presidential candidates by diluting the Florida delegation’s voting strength. The Delegation Selection Plan we submitted to the DNC is available online at www.fladems.com/delegateplan until July 20 for your comments. We will keep you posted as the discussions with the DNC continue. Thank you for your trust. Sincerely, Karen L. Thurman Congresswoman Karen L. Thurman Chair, Florida Democratic Party Now is the DNC going to disenfranchise Florida and Michigan Democrats for voting on the dates set for Election Day by their states? As a Democrat who lives in Florida I highly resent that. I also resent that any one state can be allowed to vote any earlier than any other.

Not Again!

Could we just conduct at least ONE Presidential Election, and not have Florida screw it up? Florida is NOT, I repeat NOT the center of the political universe. Maybe someday, they can accept that. This C**p is getting old.

un-democratic elections

We can't see the forest for the trees here. This whole labyrinthine mess of a system could be fixed; in theory it is quite simple. Abolish 'superdelegates' and caucuses. Hold a one-day, national, primary based solely on the popular vote. The election should have standard rules and procedures throughout the country. The current system lacks a clear line of democratic representation and lacks a "one person one vote" principle. Holding a mix of primaries and caucuses on so many different dates is not only unfair, but an inefficient waste of resources. Let's face it, the status quo is un-democratic. If we purport to live in a democracy, why not make the elections more democratic. The general election system should also be overhauled.

Agreed - One Person, One Vote ...

... should be a principal that governs all of our elections, whether they be primary or general elections. Re: the Democratic nomination process, while I understand the rationale behind "superdelegates," they are anything but democratic. A national, uniform primary system with a popular vote nominee would bring us closer to the democratic concept of ensuring that one person's vote does not count more or less than another's. A single day primary may work, but a rotating primary divided into roughly equal proportions might better preserve some of the advantages of a primary process that occurs over several months.

With respect to the general election, it might prove impossible - or at least extremely difficult - to directly overturn the electoral college system. An alternative, however, would be a system where the states pass legislation requiring their delegates to back the candidate with the highest popular vote, as I believe Maryland recently did. The legislation does not take effect unless and until enough states (representing a majority of the electoral college votes) pass such legislation. It is possible that such legislation may face a court challenge, but it's a step in the right direction.