Obama to Clinton: Al Gore Won the Election in 2000!

Submitted by mark karlin on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 10:46am.

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by Mark Karlin

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April 14, 2008

Add this to Senator Hillary Clinton's list of craven pandering: she doesn't believe Al Gore won the 2000 election, even though he beat Bush by 542,000 votes and beat him in Florida, except that the Supreme Court stopped the recount.

But Barack Obama will have none of accepting the GOP mugging of democracy in 2000 as Clinton has done. In the so-called "values debate" on April 13th, Obama chastised Clinton for lumping Gore and Kerry together as "elitist" candidates -- and claiming that's why they both lost their elections.

Obama becomes the first major candidate to acknowledge the truth about the stolen 2000 election as he issued this rejoinder to Clinton's disowning of the real vice-president during her husband's administration: "I know that Al Gore was mentioned earlier," Obama said. "By the way, I have to say, I think Al Gore won."

The Washington Post offers details of what Obama was responding to.

From the April 14th WP :

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) asserted Sunday night that Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), through his recent description of sentiments in small-town America, reinforced a stereotype of "out-of-touch" Democrats that doomed the party's past two presidential nominees.
"We had two very good men, and men of faith, run for president in 2000 and 2004. But large segments of the electorate concluded that they did not really understand or relate to or frankly respect their ways of life," Clinton said at Messiah College, referring to former vice president Al Gore and Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.). She repeated her view that Obama had been "elitist . . . and, frankly, patronizing."

Perhaps Senator Clinton's shameless and disingenuous tag-teaming with John McCain against Obama will meet with some success in Pennsylvania, as wielding dishonest wedge issues have in the past with workers left behind by NAFTA, Wal-Mart factories in China, and the neo-liberal trade policies of the Clinton and Bush administrations (and Reagan and Bush administrations before them).

But for once, we've heard a potential president say what the facts tell us about the 2000 election: Al Gore won.

As is often the case, Senator Clinton just can't get her facts straight. She sold Gore and democracy down the river for a desperate Hail Mary attempt to wrench the nomination from Obama.

But Obama spoke truth to power and gave Gore and our voters the due that they deserve.

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I believe that adopting the

Submitted by sulphurdunn on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 8:17am.

I believe that adopting the persona of your oppressor is evidence of a psychiatric disorder. After what big money and faith based Republicans have done to the Clintons, it is amazing how they still panders to them and their faith based pit viper piety.

Don't worry...

Submitted by TJAmericanWay on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 7:52am.

Hey don't worry about any more "hanging chads", recounts, or Supreme Court decisions, given the move to electronic voting sans paper verification we're "blessed" in the fact that it's just a matter of a few simple software hacks and presto, it's child's play to get to a "one for you, two, ten, or hundreds" for me scenario.

It all makes sense.

Submitted by bettysdad on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 10:12pm.

It's been amusing to watch Mrs. Bill Clinton's crocodile tears about voters in Florida and Michigan being cut out of democracy by not having their primary votes count. Did she make a peep after Bush stole the 2000 election? Did she make a peep after Bush stole the 2004 election? Has she had a problem with the Bush presidency?

before or after

Submitted by Clintonforprez on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 10:36pm.

Gore conceded the election?

Get a clue

Submitted by bettysdad on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 2:07am.

Conceding an election doesn't mean you lost. It's "saying" you lost, and for a whole host of reasons Gore did that. Why do Hillary supporters have such a hard time with reality?

Earth to Buzzflash

Submitted by Clintonforprez on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 8:20pm.

Bush stole the election.....Democratic leaders, Gore, and sites like Buzzflash let him get away with it. None said a peep. Now Buzzflash is poised to contribute to the loss of another presidential election to a rightwing nutjob. Thanks a heap. for nothing

Recollections

Submitted by Captain Jessie on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 8:42am.

I have logged on to Buzzflash since its beginning. In reference to Buzzflash letting Bush get away with stealing the election, the accusation in that statement is dead wrong. Unlike other media and blogs, Buzzflash was the first to bring to our attention that the election was stolen. This site covered the stolen election like a bulldog on a meat wagon. This site was relentless in its efforts in bringing its readers the facts. Just setting the record straight and hopefully an apology will be forthcoming.

Workers versus Corporate America

Submitted by anagitator on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 7:15pm.

I've been saying for years that Democrats lose elections because their views are more about specialized issues such as political correctness, gay rights, choice for women, affirmative action, anti-guns, and pro-illegal immigration than being for American workers as were the FDR Democrats that controlled the country for decades.

When it comes down to it in a two party system, you either favor the rich "have more" capitalists with their pro big business, more cheap labor, more corporate America, and Wall St, OR you are for the rights and advantages for average American workers. There are no other real choices for the country.

The Democrats chose starting in the late 1960s to make their priority the aforementioned special elitist issues instead of workers.

However

Submitted by Captain Jessie on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 8:46am.

However, the working man has made more progress under Democratic Administrations than Republicans. Check it out.

Yup

Submitted by bettysdad on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 10:13pm.

We have an abortion-rights corporate party, and an anti abortion-rights corporate party.

Exit polls (accurate to

Submitted by keith22 on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 6:06pm.

Exit polls (accurate to about 0.2%) said Gore won Florida by 300,000 and Kerry won the nation by about 3,000,000! It is totally impossible for exit polls to be off by 3.0%. The American people should never have stood for the stealing of these two elections. The people of Ukraine and the Republic of Georgia would not.

Gore won

Submitted by hopeful on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 5:15pm.

We need more straight talk from the Dems.

Get it here...

Submitted by Captain Jessie on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 9:11am.

Try listening to Obama and we can find that straight talk.

What the hell is an elitist anyway ?

Submitted by Raggae on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 5:06pm.

george w. bush once said that his base is called elite by some people, John Kerry was the Massachusetts liberal elite in 2004 and now Hillary and Johnny Mc say that the black guy raised by a single mom who grew up in humble surroundings is also elite, guess it means we're all elite ? If you served on the board of directors with the world's biggest retail mega-store chain and you're the spouse of an ex U.S. president and ... you're worth MILLIONS, it must mean that you're not elite? Maybe Hillary's idea of what makes a person part the elite is when they tell the truth and don't mince words doing so? Anyone who's been fired, downsized, outsourced, filed for bankruptcy, faced foreclosure or had their car repo'd feels angered and left bitter. The ugly underbelly of this wild reaction to the Obama comments is that Hillary is behaving like a card carrying member of the Rush Limbaugh cult, only someone who's disconnected from reality would deny the fact that there are lots of us who are VERY bitter.

Elections

Submitted by bansidh on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 4:52pm.

It turns my stomach to read Hillary Clinton's comment on Gore and Kerry as 'men of faith'. What the hell does that mean? A code for pandering to religious fanatics. I am 67 years old today and have seen a lot of presidential elections, only since Bush have I been bombarded with religious nonsense. I guess Bush is a 'man of faith' as he murders thousands and thousands of people around the world. I think that having a woman president would be wonderful, but I could not bring myself to vote for Hillary Clinton. She has sold her soul.

Gore won by 2.5 million more than his official 542,000 margin

Submitted by TruthIsAll on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 3:07pm.

truthisall.net http://www.geocities.com/electionmodel/TruthIsAllFAQResponse.htm http://www.geocities.com/electionmodel/FurtherConfirmationOfaKerryLandslide.htm The 2000 Election: Starting Point of the Analysis In every election, millions of votes are never counted. They represent a significant component of the exit poll discrepancies. According to the 2000 Census, 110.8m votes were cast but only 105.4m recorded, leaving 5.4m uncounted. Most were from heavily democratic minority districts. Assuming that 75% were Gore votes, his true margin was close to 3 million, not the 540,000 recorded. But that doesn’t include likely vote-switching to Bush on DREs and optical scanners. And don’t forget the millions of disenfranchised Democrats who never even got to the voting booth. Gore’s 540,000 “official” vote margin is a long-running media myth. The 2000 election wasn’t even close, although the media would like us to believe it was. Only the 5-4 Supreme Court decision was close. Consider the Florida fiasco. Bush “won” by 537 “official” votes before the Supreme Court aborted the recount - and 175,010 spoiled (under-punched and over-punched) ballots were never counted. Since approximately 75% were intended for Gore, he probably won Florida by more than 80,000 votes. The spoiled punched cards in Florida were just the tip of the national iceberg.

Swift Boating the Democratic Party

Submitted by Libby Shaw on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 3:03pm.

Considering her unconscionable comments about former V.P. (and truly elected President in 2000), Al Gore, and Senator Kerry, is Hillary Clinton going to swift boat the entire membership of the Democratic Party before this primary is said and done? This nomination is obviously all about her and nothing else. If Clinton stood by her party's core values and truly cared about the state of our nation she would not be conducting the campaign of a Rovian trained junk yard dog.

Reading outside the lines

Submitted by robertjones2001 on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 1:31pm.

"We had two very good men, and men of faith, run for president in 2000 and 2004. But large segments of the electorate concluded that they did not really understand or relate to or frankly respect their ways of life," Clinton said.

How low will you go to undermine the Democratic Party's chances in November? She DID NOT SAY Gore and Kerry lost the election. What she said was: "large segments of the electorate concluded . . .". What this means is that a whole lot of people didn't vote for Gore or Kerry. Because the election was so close, it allowed Bush and Rove to steal the election through the electoral college. The electoral college is the way we elect presidents to office. The popular vote only applies within each state.

... and

Submitted by Captain Jessie on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 8:59am.

... and do you recall news reports that said the Bush people were prepared to fight the electoral college principle if Bush lost by that principle?

I'm Reminded of a Lewis Lapham Comment in HARPER's

Submitted by drprodny on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 12:18pm.

In light of the investigation of the Ohio polls and how screwed up they were, Lapham commented (and I'm paraphrasing big-time) that "perhaps the Democrats aren't making a fuss in the hopes that they can use the same mechanics to steal the 2008 election."

Disgusted with Buzzflash's failure to reply re privacy invasion

Submitted by askolnick on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 12:16pm.

Dear Mark Karlin,

Last week, I sent you email via your web site complaining about being stalked by one of the trolls who has been attacking you and PM Carpenter. I 'm disappointed and angry that no one even acknowledged my email.

Even if I have been posting critiques, instead of defending you, I would have expected due consideration. Buzzflash should not allow people to snoop on commentators and post their name, where they live, and other private information.

I don't understand why you would allow a cyberstalker to invade the privacy of a contributor in order to drive him away.

There are good reasons to fear right-wing thugs and the loss of privacy. I will not risk my privacy and safety further by contributing any more to Buzzflash.

I am also disgusted

Submitted by robertjones2001 on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 1:23pm.

I, too, have complained about being stalked by one of your commentors -- namely the above "askolnick". I have been an avid reader, contributor and occasional commentor since at least Nov 2006. I have complained several times about being stalked, demeaned and even physically threatened by this "askolnick" and you have not even seen fit to respond to me either. Another right-wing hate baiter and stalker is "RedBaron SIU". What good is it to have a place to write private complaints if they are not dealt with.

In addition, I am very upset that your Website has turned into a right-wing hate opinion site rather than the progressive home it once was. For these, reasons, I too have taken my leave of your hate mongering.

Thank God RobertJones is leaving

Submitted by DaveClearly on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 3:12pm.

No snide references to assholenick for you today Mr Jones you right wing troll? I am sorry to see Nick go and if it is true what he says then shame on BuzzFlash. Nick has made some thoughtful comments on this site while Mr. Jones has been derogatory and does not offer much in the way of futhering any discussions on these list. We are now in a proto-facsist society helped along by your likes Mr. Jones. You miss what is going on in this country Mr. Jones- or do you? "Because something is happening here- But you don't know what it is. Do you, Mister Jones?" (-B. Dylan) Dave

Buzzflash is "ight-wing hate opinion site"? WTF?

Submitted by DaveClearly on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 3:31pm.

Mr Jones says- "I am very upset that your Website has turned into a right-wing hate opinion site rather than the progressive home it once was." You have got to be kidding- oh my that is definitely the sheer audacity of dope. Dave

Will she help Obama in 2008?

Submitted by anagitator on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 11:46am.

Hillary is obsessed with a chance at running and winning the Presidency, if not in 2008 will she then be mapping out a strategy against McCain in 2012.

If Obama gets the Democratic candidacy I'm worried that the Clintons will put their efforts into helping John McCain win in 2008 thinking that gives them another chance at a run in 2012. I would hope not, but then ambition does not always bring out the best in people.

Oh No! Not the TRUTH!

Submitted by Clemsy Diggs on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 11:42am.

Obama is screwed now... like America can handle the truth.

Of course, his comment may, just like the Administration's torture fest in the White House basement, be completely ignored.

Have you ever seen so many people with their fingers in their ears saying, "Nananananana?"

McCain/Clinton 2008?

Submitted by quousque on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 11:07am.

Mayhaps Hillary is actually running for the #2 spot on the GOP ticket?

Herself sure comes across a whole lot more like one of them than one of us.

ELECTIONS WERE STOLEN!

Submitted by felinetta on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 11:52am.

Hillary is so phony! She knows exactly what Barack meant. She reads the polls! And she is really in the Bush camp when she says Gore and Kerry lost. No Hillary, Bush stole those elections and you know it. And to say they (Gore and Kerry) "did not really understand or relate to or frankly respect their ways of life" is an insult. Bill and Hill are so Republican it is disgusting. Knock it off Hillary! How can you call Barackk an elitist. No, McCain and Clinton are the elitists.

Well, well...

Submitted by Captain Jessie on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 9:08am.

Hillary was once a staunch republican. The whole elitist Rodham family are staunch republicans. Possibly, once a republican, always a republican applies here, huh?

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