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Ken Rynne: Meet "Joe The Plumber": His Story Does Not Hold Water

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by Ken Rynne
Planet Washington

A Holland, Ohio man "Joe," 34, on a campaign rope line asks Sen. Obama why his tax plan would punish those who made more than $250,000 who had achieved "the American Dream," and says he was preparing to buy a plumbing company that earns more than $250,000 a year.

Obama stopped and explained his plan, acknowledged that those who earn more than $250,000 a year would see their taxes rise to 39 percent from 36 percent (only on amounts over $250,000). "You're going to be better off if you've got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you, and right now everybody's so pinched that business is bad for everybody," Obama said.

During the final presidential Debate, Sen. McCain repeatedly uses "Joe The Plumber" encounter to criticize Obama tax and health plans.

The media feeding frenzy commences. Joe gives more interviews in one day that Sarah Palin does in "like, five weeks." Among the sayings of Plumber Joe: "Social Security is a joke." And Joe knows dance: declares Obama tap-danced around the answer, "almost as good as Sammy Davis Jr." During his 15 minutes, the nation also learns:

CategoryTalking PointsFact Check
Name
Joe The PlumberSamuel Joseph Wurzelbacher
Occupation
Plumber
Contractor, Not Licensed Plumber
AffiliationIndependentRegistered Republican
Politics UndecidedRight wing radio regular
Income$250,000 "No, not even close." ($40k)
Boss's Business
$250,000 incomeCloser to $100,000
Plans  Buy boss's businessNo plans, not really
ObamaIncreases Joe's taxes
Would reduce tax >$500
ObamaMandates health careNo Mandate
ObamaImposes penaltyNo Penalty
McCain
Really?
Really.
         

A Plumber? That story -- like Joe's pipes -- just won't hold water.

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there are many fraud

there are many fraud activities that takes place in this society, my brother Dave had a very big clash with his ex-company, they cheated on him and even the case was taken to lawyers however the case resolved, now he is working as a sub contractor for Tampa plumber and he is very happy to carry on his own business, you need to be very careful when dealing with the regulations

Joe the Plumber

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE7DE123CF930A25751C1A965958260 *Joe the Plumber* is related to Charles Keating of the Keating 5 Savings and Loan Scandal, which McCain was part of and which thousands lost their life savings. It appears that McCain is still associated with corruption, dirty tricks, and misspeaks...and will stop at nothing to win this election.

Joe the jerk

Great post, Ken. Really. Joe The Non-Plumber got under my skin from the moment I saw him. It's clear like day that the schmuck is lying through his teeth and trying to score cheap GOP points (for what? his own glory? or are they paying him?)

Now some folks who are good with numbers had this to say about Joe's tax discomfort (before it was known that his "buying the business" story was a lie):

So, he can't handle a $900 increase in taxes on $280,000 of income, and won't buy that business? Come on, I don't buy that for a second. The numbers: $280,000 - $250,000 (taxes remain the same) = $30,000 Tax rate increase 36% up to 39% in Obama plan: 3% increase $30,000 x 0.03 = $900 Wow, what a pity case. Also, why not incorporate a company w/ that amount of income? This guy is not capable of running a business if he can't figure this stuff out.

Posted on Politico.com by: FactCheckerInPDX

I would call him a GOP plant...

but that would be an insult to the intelligence level of potted plants.

So let's get this

So let's get this straight: Joe, the lying "plumber", goes up to Obama, falsely claiming that he is about to buy a plumbing business, that he falsely claims nets over $250,000 per year, obviously trying to play gotcha with Obama based on a completely made up personal history. Joe, the lying "plumber", actually makes $40,000 per year and would benefit substantially from Obama's proposed tax cuts for the middle class. He also has lien on his home due to tax delinquency. Despite being better off now and for the foreseeable future under Obama's plan, Joe the lying "plumber" would rather vote for McSame on the one in a million chance that someday he'll be rich enough to owe more taxes that he doesn't pay anyhow. Joe, the lying "plumber", interprets Obama's straightforward detailed explanation that he took his valuable time to give in response to a question based on lies as "tap dancing like Sammy Davis Jr." (surprised he didn't say "shucking and jiving"? me too) revealing his inner bigot. Joe, the lying "plumber" goes on to use his 15 minutes of fame to spout more idiocy about Social Security ("it's a joke", apparently Joe would prefer to have invested in the Wall Street 3 card monte charade) and the Iraq debacle, which he is sure has made us safer, nonexistent WMDs be damned. Joe, the lying "plumber", is the perfect GOP voter; uninformed, misinformed, or bigoted enough to vote consistently against his own best interests and out of step with how the vast majority of voters in this country feel about the important issues. He is also McCain's best hope to reanimate his corpse of a campaign, and despite the revelations about his misrepresentaions (lies), Joe the lying "plumber" is still a media darling. Why do I get the feeling that even if Obama wins in a landslide, we are seriously fucked by the dynamics of a political system that allowed this asshole to enter into the discussion?

Joe the Plumber gets flushed out

A LETTER TO JOE THE PLUMBER

Sam Smith

Dear Joe:

I am Charles R. Chortlelywell, chief accountant of Flush Plumbers United - or Change Man Charlie as I'm known around the office.

We are a national organization dedicated to the interests of plumbers earning more than a quarter million dollars a year. As you know, the salary of your average Joe in the industry is approximately $37,500, so you are clearly someone special.

We would like to learn more about you in order to help you, even if Barack Obama won't. So would you mind answering a few questions:

Does this company you are planning actually make $250-280 thousand a year in profits or is that just its total revenue? If the latter than you don't have to worry about Obama's tax bill at all. If it's the former, then your additional taxes each year will range between zero and $900. Since you'll be making five to seven times as much as your average Joe in the trade you can probably handle it.

On the other hand, perhaps not. A Toledo Blade story about you notes that "In December, 2007, the Ohio Department of Taxation placed a lien against him because $1,183 in personal property taxes had not been paid, but there has been no action in the case since it was filed." Is part of your concern that since you already owe so much to the socialist state of Ohio and don't want to compound the problem? If so, perhaps you shouldn't be going around buying businesses at all.

Since court records from your divorce also show you only made $40,000 in 2006, where are you going to get the money for this deal? Let's say you buy it for a million bucks or so. I just checked and found where you could get such a loan, but it would cost you over $60,000 a year in interest alone and you'd have to pay it off in seven years. I suggest you worry about that more than Obama's tax increase.

How many new employees do you plan to hire? If you just hire one you'll get a $3000 tax credit and that dangerous fellow Obama will actually end up adding $2100-3000 to your profits.

Where are the headquarters of the company you currently work for and would like to buy? The Toledo Blade couldn't come up with a good answer to this question: "Mr. Wurzelbacher told reporters that he worked for Newell Plumbing & Heating Co., a small local firm whose business addresses flow back to several residential homes, including one on Talmadge Road in Ottawa Hills"

When do you actually plan to get a plumbers' license? It would help to add validity to your nickname. I was a bit bothered by the part of the Blade story that read: "According to Lucas County Building Inspection records, A. W. Newell Corp. does maintain a state plumbing license, and one with the City of Toledo, but would not be allowed to work in Lucas County outside of Toledo without a county license. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell's license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work. He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he's not a plumber. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was hired by Mr. Newell six years ago and that the possibility of him eventually buying the company was discussed during his job interview. He said it's his understanding he can work under Mr. Newell's license as long as the licensed contractor works on the same site. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he is working on taking the Ohio plumbing contractors' license test."

If we are to invite you to join our board we might also need some help in answering issues such as raised by Tom Joseph, business manager for Local 50 of the United Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters, and Service Mechanics, who says you didn't undergo any apprenticeship training. Reported the Blade: "'When you have guys going out there with no training whatsoever, it's a little disreputable to start with,' Mr. Joseph said. 'We're the real Joe the Plumber.' Mr. Joseph said Mr. Wulzerbacher could only legally work in the townships, but not in any municipality in Lucas County or elsewhere in the country. 'This individual has got no schooling, no licenses, he's never been to a training program, union or non-union, in the United States of America,' Mr. Joseph said."

While I realize Plumber Joseph may merely be feeling bitter being upstaged by Plumber Joe, as we say in the trade about faucets, this one needs a better spin on it.

Thanks for help. Your attention to this matter, as well as to the fact that the candidate whom you support has eight homes, 13 cars and wears $500 loafers, will be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely yours,

Charles R. Chortlelywell

John B. Mendolusky,

President

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