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Did Clinton Forces Infiltrate "Uncommitted" Delegates at Michigan Dem Convention? -- Susan Demas

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by Susan J. Demas

If you voted "uncommitted" in the Michigan primary to support Barack Obama, your vote might have essentially gone to Hillary Clinton anyway.

The Michigan Information & Research Service (MIRS) has learned that some of the 36 uncommitted delegates chosen at Saturday's district conventions say they're staying uncommitted and not backing Obama. That seems curious, because there are only two candidates left in the race and those backing Clinton could have caucused for her.

Michigan Democratic Party (MDP) Chair Mark Brewer gave those exact instructions to those attending the 15 sites. But Obama supporters say they might not have been heeded to give Clinton even more than the 55 percent of delegates she won on January 15.

This could be a harbinger of what is to come. A MIRS analysis of superdelegates shows most favor Clinton (See "Advantage Clinton In MI Super Delegate Hunt," 3/19/08). The central committee will choose another 45 pledged delegates, and party elders are largely pro-Hillary. When all is said and done, Clinton likely will walk away with more than 60 percent of Michigan's pledged and superdelegates, perhaps more than 70 percent.

That is if the delegates are seated with full voting power. Negotiations are still ongoing with the Democratic National Committee, although it's not clear what the makeup would be. Obama has proposed splitting them 50-50. So there's a chance more chaos could ensue down the road, although MDP spokeswoman Liz Kerr said they'll cross that bridge when it comes.

Clinton, by and large, had the establishment on Saturday. Former Governor Jim Blanchard, who didn't attend the 9th District, but was elected a delegate, said the Clinton forces were well organized with an eye toward a contested convention. "We wanted to pick people who would be loyal to Hillary, who would commit to her through multiple ballots," said Blanchard.

There was Michiganders for Obama, an upstart group trying to organize but it was behind the curve since the candidate never campaigned here.

Some Obama supporters were especially suspicious on Saturday of the "unity slates" made up of members of the UAW, which hasn't endorsed a candidate. Attendees said there were shouting matches and massive confusion at the 9th District convention. UAW member Catherine Martin was elected as an uncommitted delegate and plans to stay that way until the union endorses.

State Rep. Aldo Vagnozzi (D-Farmington Hills), an elected Obama delegate, points out Martin was elected by an "overwhelmingly Obama crowd."

The problem is the perception that the UAW backs Clinton. Nadine Nosal, legislative coordinator for the UAW, was elected in the 8th District as an alternate delegate supporting Clinton.

The UAW flatly denies it's pro-Clinton. Nosal said the union put delegate candidates in both caucuses because it's neutral. As for the Obama supporters' criticism, she said, "I don't perceive it to be what they're saying."

The Clinton campaign has been unusually quiet about the Michigan conventions. Clinton and national advisers have said that Obama's pledged delegates are fair game to flip, although they've backed away from statements afterward. Still, Clinton is making an aggressive behind-the-scenes push with superdelegates and to massage the nominating process to ensure she gets the nomination, even if she's behind in the delegate count, popular vote, and states won.

The MDP hasn't released an official list of the 83 delegates and 15 alternates. Kerr said it hasn't been policy to do so in past years until a few days before the national convention.

The remaining 45 of the 128 pledged delegates will be selected at the central committee meeting in May.

Derrick Johnson is an uncommitted delegate from the 15th District who supports Obama and also is head of the Washtenaw County Board of Elections. He said he's heard from Obama backers in other districts who were concerned they were outmaneuvered by Clinton supporters.

"If you're uncommitted, our message is that you shouldn't be uncommitted now. There are only two people left. If you support Clinton, there's a process for her delegates. Uncommitted should be for Obama," Johnson said. "It wasn't a problem in our district, but I think we had a different culture there than in some others."

Vagnozzi said there were four times as many Obama supporters than Clinton backers in the 9th, which seems to fit the statewide pattern. But the MDP doesn't have attendance numbers yet.

When asked if that was surprising, given the fact that Clinton won the primary, Vagnozzi said, "I think it shows the election wasn't an accurate reflection. Obama wasn't on the ballot. Clinton was."

He said the most important thing is for the delegation to be seated, because a Democrat will never win the White House without Florida and Michigan.

Vagnozzi acknowledges that scenario doesn't favor Obama.

"It might, but it's much more important to seat Michigan than any downside to it."

Nosal said it was her "hope and prayer" that the Democrats rally around the nominee whenever that's decided. "We need to come together. We need to elect a Democrat -- I feel so strongly about that. Otherwise, we'll have four more years of what we've already had eight years of."

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Susan J. Demas is a political analyst for Michigan Information & Research Service. She can be reached at sjdemas@gmail.com or http://susanjdemas.blogspot.com.




I'm in Michigan

I am in Michigan and this clears up somethings that have been so hard to figure out. It stinks, we knew that the majority of our representatives were supporting them (Clinton's in the plural) for the 2008. It has been hard to figure out who is an Obama supporter, I can only pick out one, and that is David Bonior who was Edward's manager here in Michigan and it seems like he came out in support of him, I don't know if it was an actual endorsement, someone will have to correct me here. Bonior used to be a representative. But Governor Granholm who myself and my husband have become sorely disillusioned with, was a Clinton supporter from the beginning as well as Stabenow. Stabenow has stumbled many times although her heart appears to be in the right place. Blanchard supports her, he was a great governor until after his divorce from his first wife, he looked so good before that, that he gave many of us in Michigan the feeling that he had chance of becoming a good future presidential candidate. But once he divorced his first wife it all seemed to change, his first wife was very involved in his career as I remember. He was very young then. This is just so scary because I don't get the connection of Michigan to the Ohio, Pennsylvania crowd. We have lived on both sides of the states, 14 years on the west side and the rest of our life before and after that on the east side in the Detroit area, I would say the west side has very strong ties to the Chicago people in fact we sold our home that we built to a young couple from Chicago two years ago. We have family ties to Pennsylvania and somehow it doesn't surprise me too much except that I don't trust the results of these machine run states. I have been wondering what is going on with the UAW? Our family has strong ties to the auto industry, but my husband has been retired since 1992 and we don't know where the union people stand. As far as the election itself, we voted uncommitted because of an email from Mark Brewer, I may have seen a couple of ads on the TV from him, but I don't think the people were flooded with what they were to do if they didn't have a candidate on the ballot. I told my 91 year old mother by way of email her and my brother to vote uncommitted because if they tried to write it in the ballot would be thrown out. In spite of what the article says, I imagine many of the Clinton votes might just as easily have gone for another candidate if we had more choices. Just because she got the vote is not a guarantee that the vote was in full support for her. If they think so then they should have pushed for a revote. But I doubt that. There was no strong interest in voting here for this primary. Being that we were on the west side of the state for 14 years I can say this much for sure, there were a few black communities there and we did not see any participation for the elections by blacks there during that 14 years. I imagine that if Obama's name were on the ballot even in the early part of the election the blacks would have participated. Michigan should not be counted, should not be seated and we should just accept it because there is no way to correct the mess that we have been dealt. Sylvia Hayes Redford, MI

Can you smell that smell?

If you get that sinking feeling that these primary elections seem to be skewed, here's another story from Jacksonville, Florida: Duval County, home of the 27.000 purged African American votes in 2000, voted overwhelmingly for Barack Obama back on January 29th, in the "beauty contest-your votes won't matter" primary. Duval County has ver 400,000 registered Dems, yet when it came time to select delegates for the Denver convention, Obama only received ONE delegate to vote for, although state party rules in previous elections always had an alternate, and previously, we always had a male and a female delagate for each candidate. John Edwards had ONE delegate, and somehow, Hillary Clinton wound up with TWO from our County. When we asked our state party rep, Teri Brady (also a superdelegate)why there were no alternates being voted on, and why Obama did not get equal representation with both a male and female delegate, she hid behind "party rules". Zero votes for Obama in certain New York precincts; voters turned away from the polls in Pennsylvania because of switched party affiliations, irregularities in Michigan and Florida and all favoring HRC?!? WTF? Why does Clinton smell so much like Karl Rove?