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Obama, Warren, and much inaugural ado

THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

Look, as far as I'm concerned, the apostate cleric Jean Meslier had it just about right when 300 years ago he heartily endorsed the proposition that "Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."

So why then would I urge tolerance of the intolerant Rick Warren?

Merely because symbolic inclusion -- which is all this priestly yokel's invocation delivered at Barack Obama's inauguration will represent -- is an ingenious political trade of little immediate cost for a long-term payoff.

Hey, President Obama can say to the religious racketeers from that moment on, you can't call me liberally doctrinaire: I suffered your Falwell-wannabe fool of a witch doctor on my crowning day, to the humiliating hoots and hypercriticism of a core constituency.

That won't conclusively please or pacify the thumpers, of course, since nothing ever does, yet it's a formidable but inexpensively wrought bargaining chip. Because Obama can then more easily put an end to the stupendously idiotic military-service policy -- something he can actually do something about -- of "don’t ask, don’t tell."

But good grief, the poor man needs cover -- lots and lots of political cover -- if he's to avoid the senselessly self-inflicted wounds of the early Clinton administration.

Obama foreshadowed as much at his news conference yesterday, when he reminded the disillusioned that symbolic inclusion -- again, that's my characterization, not his, for obvious reasons -- "is part of what my campaign’s been all about; that we’re not going to agree on every single issue, but what we have to do is to be able to create an atmosphere where we can disagree without being disagreeable."

Translation: I'll suffer the fundamentalist community's medieval outrage, and I'll suffer it with a smile; but when the dust settles and the policy rubble stops bouncing, you'll see that I'm on top.

It's a delicate killing by kindness.

And, true, it's also a game -- an unfortunately necessary political game of subtle disingenuousness. But gentle bamboozlement, figures Obama -- and I think he figures correctly -- will in the long run accomplish a good deal more than abrupt, unilateral, in-your-face edicts.

That's not to say that I'm unsympathetic to the not atypical likes of Kevin Naff, editor of the Washington Blade, who wrote that Obama's invitation to Warren signaled a "tone-deafness to [the gay and lesbian community's] concerns," which "must not be tolerated."

Mr. Naff's sharp disgruntlement is understandable, but mistakenly grounded in recent history. "We have just endured eight years of endless assaults on our dignity and equality from a president beholden to bigoted conservative Christians," he added. "The election was supposed to have ended that era. It appears otherwise."

You can scour that assessment with an electron microscope for even the slimmest element of logic, but you'll find nothing but buckets of misplaced outrage. To venture that Obama's guileful invitation to the shamanistic Warren is but an extension of a former "president beholden to bigoted conservative Christians" is not only beyond the non-sequitur pale, it's just, in a word, silly.

As in prima-facie silly. As in over-the-top silly. As in Mr.-Naff-you-protest-with-blinders silly. On the other hand, I suppose such a call-to-arms hysteria might boost subscriptions. Nevertheless I remain sympathetic.

It seems to me that if one wishes to lay valid criticism at Mr. Obama's feet in this, the realm of theological superstition, ignorance and bigotry, it can fittingly be laid in terms of disapproval regarding his programmatic faith-based inclinations. For those, I am devoutly certain, are anticonstitutional.

One of the biggest lies ever spread by the fundamentally intoxicated is that the Founders -- were they Congregationalists or Anglicans or deists or atheists -- had no standing objections to the marriage, or at the very least courtship, of religion and government. Nothing could be farther from the historical truth, for they themselves had witnessed the contemporary perils of other societies having not strangled kings with the entrails of priests.

But as for Warren and his invitation? That's just smart politics, the benefits of which are in the offering.

 

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THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter




An aloof essay that shows clouded perception and no empathy.

With the wave of your hand, you brush this issue off, as if everyone who is offended and upset is “over the top”. Quite possibly, the biggest blunder Obama has made since the clutching guns comment, and your scholarly, very intellectual conclusion: “ingenious political trade”. This essay in a word: silly. Your attitude, and the demeanor of your prose in a few words: what a pompous ass. Really.

Warren for invocationist is counter-intuitive.

There must be a political reason for the choice, but nearly the same effect could have been made by choosing someone else. I think there is an emotional bond issue between them. It reminds me of the bond Bush thought he had with Putin, or the bond Churchill thought he had with Roosevelt. The honor bestowed on Warren is unwarranted, and will only increase his popularity, but will also increase his political power. I don't know how one finds common ground between a person who believes the Constitution demands the separation of church and state, and one who believes that the Bible supercedes the Constitution.

I hope, Mr. Carpenter, that you are right but...

politicking really has no place in the symbolic act of Invocation. Warren is a bad choice, plain and simple. A better choice would be a military chaplain who serves all denominations, agnostics and atheists. A superior choice would be no religious invocation but that ain't gonna happen. I think Warren is the wrong choice, not just because of his anti-gay marriage stance, but also because of his history of condemning so many people to hell - Jews, Christians other than his brand, and the list goes on and on. He also represents cash register fundamentalism and an end-of-days mentality that is jarringly out of place at the Inauguration of Hope and Change. President Obama has chosen a divisive figure supposedly in the interest of inclusivenes. Being inclusive can be taken too far - choosing Warren is as ill-advised as having the KKK or neo-Nazi white supremacists take over security for the event. . I don't think kissing butt is an auspicious beginning for the Audacity of Hope. Your faith in President Obama is laudable but little cracks are appearing all over mine. There is time for him to change his mind on this and, if he and his staff listen to "we the people" as much as they say they do, that change will be made.

Reaching out

Obama is reaching out to you and me and the many people who think poorly of Rick Warren and the many more people who think either well or neutral of Rick Warren, to stop sounding and acting the way we do. I was shaking my head all day yesterday, on account of so many fellow lefties reminding me just a little of Paul Weyrich on the very day he died.

Indeed, the reaction among my fellows demonstrates the value of Obama's choice. Do people realize what a bad impression we make? We need to learn control of our adrenal rush, and here's an opportunity to practice.

I half hope that Obama sings tributes to Ronald Reagan in his inaugural speech, to give us another opportunity.

Also, now it will be harder to link the president with Jeremiah Wright or an Islamic conspiracy.

(I'm much more concerned about Obama's weaseliness on Iraq, or his plain out lying about the FISA-gutting bill, than I am about Rick Warren having the opportunity to say a few words.)

Attack versus Defense

There's a big difference between preemptive war and resistance.

There's a big difference between denying certain American citizens equal rights and opposing those who would deny them their rights.

There's a big difference between right and wrong. And there's a big difference between Obama and progress.

Too Expensive In The Long Run

"...an ingenious political trade of little immediate cost..."

No way, Jose! Obama is playing with a very unstable IED (intellectually-empty denomination) whose explosive power will prove to be the equal - if not the greater - of that quasi-religious zeal which in 1860 rent the country in two. Nothing is more self-justified than a fundamentalist who thinks that his beliefs have been used to make him look like a fool. Their self-defined righteous wrath will know no bounds nor observe their own beliefs as they spread their terror in the name of the Prince of Peace.

Maybe Obama feels he owes Warren for the relatively benign treatment during the campaign, but there has to be a better way to repay this imagined debt than to allow a member of the opposition to set a moral direction for his administration as it takes its first steps.

Why Didn't Obama Invite Fred Phelps for Invocation

Why iddnt Obama just invite old Fred Phelps to deliver the invocation? Warren is just as bad.

What You Call "Smart Political Calculation"

I call another serious miscalculation - like the FISA vote and the backpedaling on torture and civil liberties violations. After two decades of Khrister Right dominion of American politics, why doesn't Obama get a simple truth - Rick Warren, like all the other "of faith" Hypocrites and False Prophets, live on wedge-issue divisiveness, period. The poison they seep into the marrow of America's bones is as Mother's Milk to them.

They will gleefully take every symbolic attempt to "reach across the aisle" you give them - and then spit in your face after they've wrung all the juice out of it. They cannot be "reasoned with", which only swells their ungodly vanity further - they can only be brought low, so as to be reminded their place is to advise, not rule.

If I'd wanted an unprincipled triangulator like Hillary Clinton, I'd have bloody supported Hillary Clinton. I had believed Barack Obama was wiser than her, wise enough to perhaps heal this country - but by tossing the Left under the bus at every opportunity, as he just did again, I wonder if he isn't just another Clinton-LIEberman so-called "Centrist"....

Damn "Doc"!

I know it's hard being a perennial dupe, but I thought you'd hold out until at least after the inauguration.

You just cost me $100 on the over/under.

BTW - Hate to break the news to you, but Clinton never picked Warren to give the invocation at the inauguration. She never toured with Donnie McClurkin for the homophobe vote in South Carolina. And she ever went back on a promise to filibuster FISA.

I feel your pain, "Doc".

Hey, it's "just smart politics"

And all you "true progs" who are outraged at Warren's selection are just being "silly" and "illogical". Right, PM?

Now, on the other hand, if Hillary Clinton chose Warren to deliver the invocation, or embraced an expansion of Bush's Office of "Faith-Based" Initiatives, or toured SC before the SC primary with infamous homophobe "Reverend" Donnie McClurkin, well, ...... that would be an entirely different story. That would be a betrayal of the worst kind. That would be a craven act of pandering in a never-ending, all-consuming, quest for power.

But it was Obama, so stop being "silly" ...... it's just "smart politics".

Yeah, Yman

What is that about stopped clocks being right twice a day...?

Looks like you have a little work to do ...

... if you want to work your way up to the accuracy of a stopped clock.

the Jiminy Cricket Brigade

Carpenter is a charter member of the Jiminy Cricket Brigade that speculates endlessly without a shred of evidence about how Obama's allegedly good intentions (which apparently only some chosen mystics can see) will some day manifest. Then he has the audacity of dope to criticize as "silly" those who observe the material fact that the emperor has no balls. To paraphrase Carpenter's argument which supports itself solely through the artifice of being circular -you can scour his assessment with an electron microscope for even the slimmest element of logic, but you'll find nothing but buckets of misplaced mania. As in prima facie mania.

I Wonder How Many Gays Obama Invited

We gays have to wonder how many gays have received an invitation from Obama to attend the INNIGGERATION ceremony? Probably not many at all !!All inclusive, he says?

Consulting by "backpedaling" you say

i consulted an English grammar book and it said pn forming the word i used you double the first consonant..the NN then you also double the second consonant and add the suffic..eration. so i used both in my description. but people with be just like the MSM and put their own "spin" on it no matter what.in the first i was referring to Niger and Nigeria and in the second instance i consulted the English grammar book.but neither word was racist.i had an aunt who is still in her 90s and she taught us English grammar at home in the summertime while we were visiting.. she even made us write essays so she could critique our grammar. she retired after 40 years of teaching English grammar. so after taking Spanish and Russian my grammar is poor nowadays. you will still say i am back pedaling so spin as you will. people do that you know.i called her and she could barely speak and i spelled the word and she said my spelling was correct.2 double consonants were the correct one...the NN and the GG.the root word was NIGER so to make it a complete word for an act done you put EN on the first then the root word then double the second consonant G then the suffic ATION. which makes it an act.then I added ceremony.so go ahead and get bent out shape.. you look good that way !! better than having to look at your straight face !!!

Really? Three questions, then ...

1) Which one of Obama's relatives is from Niger/Nigeria?

2) How many people from the South refer to "bad people" as "Nigers (refering to the country"?

3) How many people are stupid enough to buy your new and improved explanation? Tell ya what, TA. In the spirit of the holidays, I'll even help you out. The answer to all three questions is .....

....... "Not one".

Just goes to show that even positive stereotypes...

...are often wrong. I always believed that gays were more tolerant than most but your comments (including your backpedaling to Niger) have convinced me otherwise.

"INNIGERATION" ceremony?

Wow ......

And you say you're not a racist, Texasatheist3?

You underestimate yourself.

The N word

In the south here, blacks tell me the "N" word means "bad person" and i use it in that tense.they even call themselves the N word.used to have a black friend who told me that and i have heard it from others.but it's supposed to be "racist" when we use it? dont think so.how do you know my race? you dont.there are even bad white people too.

Niger(country) and Nigeria(country)

I speak Spanish pretty good. the word for black in Latin is negro..the wrod for white is blanco. when i used the EN-NIGER-ATION word it was in reference to Obama's roots being in either Nigeria or Niger.those words both connotye that dark-skinned(maybe thats not a "racist" word)live there.had i used the double "g" that could have been "racist".but having put the word ceremonies with it some got bent out of shape.if Obama had a service it cpould be referred to an American service, or a Nigerian ceremony, or even an Niger-ation ceremony.i think he is from either of those countries.that is, his roots.altho i know he is half and half..and that is not a racist statement.but i referred to the en-Niger-ation ceremony.not inaugeration at all.quite different.i hasve many "Afro-American" friends and they dont see me as being "racist" at all.They know i am with them all the way..and some of them are also gay.and my friends told me about the hated "N" word.i did not use the double "g" word at all.Look on your map see where Niger and Nigeria are.They come from the root word "negro"..which to meis not racist..only a description of their race like we are Americans.so calling me a racist was totally uncalled for. I dont wish Rick Warren well but i do Obama.but i dont have to support him at all.He has a hard road ahead of him as it is.I dont know all of his background either.I hope he can make some changes but i have my doubts.

Oooooooohhhh ... Now it makes sense.

When you said "Inigeration", it wasn't a typo or spelling mistake. You actually meant the country of Niger. And therefore, when you tried to excuse yourself by saying that people in the South use the "N" word to mean a "bad person" of any race (including whites, believe it or not), you meant they called bad people "Nigers" .... like the country. Ohhhhhhhhhhhh ..... that makes sense.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Now, while you're at it, ........... how 'bout explaining your theory on why the "Mexicans" and "blacks" get all the government assistance they want, while you don't get anything?

BTW - Obama's paternal family is from Kenya, not Niger. So maybe you actually meant to refer to his "Kenyauguration"?

BBTW - You "speak Spanish pretty good"?

Time to work on your English.

Nice try, ...

So if you say "niggers" commit all the rapes, murders, etc., "niggers" attacked the WTC on 9/11, "niggers" were responsible for the holocaust, you'd be accurate, because in the south, "niggers" just means "bad people", right?

Do you always drink this early in the morning?

BTW ... This is coming from the same guy (Texasatheist3) who - just a few weeks ago - complained about how the "blacks" and "Mexicans" get all the government assistance while poor Texasatheist gets nothing. Gee ...... ya think it's real hard to figure out what your race is?

Hey, ya know what?....

Up north here, "bigoted, scumbag racist" really means "nice guy". So when I call you a "bigoted, scumbag racist" ....

.................. don't be offended.

Excuse me..but

Excuse me and you but see my post above.using the double g could be racist,yes.but i used the E--NIGER-ATION to refer to Obama's roots of maybe Nigeria and Niger..both of those are countries in Africa.you took what i said and took it out of context. yes i did say these blacks and mexicans do get all they help tbhey ask for and i will keep repeating it..my home nurse thinks the same thing.visit a food stamp office just to seewho is there like i did to prove my point.not many others except because of the Bush economy the food stamp lines are gettingfull according to a report on Buzzflash.

Yeah, ...

... and see my response, racist bigot ....... which is what we up north here call "nice guys" of all races.

Obama has no roots in Niger or Nigeria .... his father's family was from Kenya.

Of course, all those dark brown countries start to look alike after a while, don'tcha think?

BTW - Don't those "blacks" and "Mexicans" in the food stamp line who are "getting all the help they ask for" resent you white guys who get your own home nurse?

"I Have Nothing against - N**gers -

"Some of My Best FRIENDS Are - N**gers...."

Maybe it's something in the water in Texas? Obama's Black, you're Gay - would you like it if he started calling you a "f**got", and defended it by saying that some of his gay friends had been heard using the term?

Excuse me - I'm going to go smash my head against a wall until I feel better....

it would not bother me in the least

it would not bother me in the least.go do what you feel is necessary to relieve the pressure you are feeling on your head.maybe you will feel better and have to go to the ER.

I Hate This

I actually agree with Yman.

Can we dial back the racist rhetoric, TA? Please? That is precisely the problem at issue here - that Obama invited a bigot to his Inauguration. Don't add your racism to Warren's homophobia....

I don't Have to Support Obama Anymore Either

Being gay,poor and atheist, i dont have to support Obama either anymore. I cant see him letting the enemy speak.Warren is my dire enemy.i dont wish him well in anythning except that he be sent to Greenland or Antarctica and let him melt to smithereens in the ice.maybe even the penguins would even not touch his decaying carcas.I am waning in my support for Obama.. he certainly wont chage the way i livehere poor,destitute,$637/mo SSI and a condemned trailer about to fall down.I dont have anythning to look forward to in Obam's YES,WE CAN so-called CHANGE he proposed.He wont change the way Habitat 4 Humanity accepts clients for housing. i am not the right race nor color.So all things remain as before.So much for my vote.I may not be voting again.If i dont toot my own horn it dont get tooted. I cant shout it from my rooftop because it is about to cave in from age and storms here.Bankers,other vagabonds get bsiled out--i get nothing.Nothing for the poor,down and out.Billions of dollars but nothing for the poor..call it socialism but we poor get left out. so where is the so-called "socialism" Obama is supposed to bring in? Even tho i dont believe in jesus,wasnt jesus a "socialist"...telling to give what you have feed,clothe and tend to the poor and needy. Aren't those socialistic acts? Religion is the crutch of the poeple. It is nothing but a sham.He(jesus) said "even the son of man hath not where to lay his head".Old Rick Warren says he is concerned about the plight of the poor but he never contacted me.But he sure made millions with his book.What a freaking joke he is.I would prefer Obama have Oprah read a poem for the so-called invocation.

P.M. column

P.M. may be right--a good tactical move! But overlooked is that we have waited 8 long years for the 'other' party (not the opposition party, that took a hike long ago) to stand up and for those so called 'leaders' to stand for something. Is this a Obama stand up? Nope it's another of those tactics which got us into this mess. Will it work, well maybe? But a lot of folks feel left out and want guts not tactics to hit the street.