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Amendments to FISA revision squashed, bill to pass this afternoon

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by Amy Weiss

The debate on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Amendments Act continued on the Senate floor Wednesday and all three proposed amendments that would eliminate or make conditional the telecom immunity were defeated.

Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) warned that if this bill passes today, "I'm confident history will not judge this Congress kindly."

Feingold also emphasized that the majority of Congress has not been fully briefed on the President's wiretapping program. Because of the classification of detailed documents, only a few Senators, including himself, have been permitted to read about the program.

"If more information is declassified in the future...," he said, "members of this body will regret that we passed this legislation."

Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) thanked the blogosphere, Internet petitioners, and concerned citizens for their leadership against the bill. He said the notion that we have to sacrifice liberty for security is a "fundamentally flawed idea," that Americans have regretted every time they've chosen it, referencing the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII.

Dodd also said he is certain that this matter will not end even if the bill passes today, and that the constitutionality of granting immunity to the telecommunications companies will be challenged in the courts in the future.

Dodd, Feingold, and Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) sponsored an amendment to completely strike Article 2 of the bill, which gives retroactive immunity to the telecommunications companies. The amendment was defeated with 32 senators voting for it, and 66 voting against it.

Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), the ranking minority member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, also offered an amendment requiring the district courts to review the constitutionality of the president's surveillance program. He warned that the bill is asking the Senate to do two dangerous things. It asks the Senate to vote on something it does not understand and to "fly in the face" of Marbury v. Madison, the 1803 Supreme Court decision that established judicial review.

He said, "We are dealing with a matter of historical importance ... I believe historians will look back on this period from 9/11 ... as the greatest expansion of executive power," but also said he is "prepared to stomach this bill if I must, but ... I do not believe it is too late to make this bill better." Specter's amendment was defeated 37-61.

The final amendment, proposed by Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-NM), which would require a stay on over 40 pending court cases and an investigation before granting retroactive immunity, was defeated by a vote of 42-56.

Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), who has endured criticism for changing his position to support FISA, voted for all three amendments but indicated he will still support the final bill. Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) is campaigning in Ohio today and was not present for the votes. The final vote will take place this afternoon after the Republican Party's weekly lunch and is expected to pass.

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The rest of the internment story

CrystalCity1945 A former internee therein!

Does Senator Dodd know that almost 11,000 German Americans and 3,500 Italian Americans were interned in the U.S. during World War II?

Senator Dodd and his colleagues should visit Freedom of Information Times [foitimes.com] to learn of this little-known episode of American history.

The FISA Vote

I just don't understand the outrage about this vote. Other than making sure that Senator Obama is the next president, and will then be able to get some important and beneficial things done I just don't think it is wise to make a fuss now about anything he does. Republicans are just loving this pounding the left is giving Obama. We can't all agree on everything. My goal and drive has been since 2000 to get rid of the criminals in the whitehouse. This has made me crazy as I supported Gore and then Kerry to the bitter and ruthless end. Please let us try to get Senator Obama into office. Lets give him our support and our hope for a better America. I can't stand the thought of McCain. He gives me the creeps.

Sooth the right?

Vicki,

A criminal act is not how to rid the WH of criminals. You sound like PM Chamberlain after his return from meeting Hitler.

What you are asking for is the most rightwing a$$hole we can elect.

We need to start now with moves to rid our party of the GOP sympathizers and imbeds. I am not asking you to change a vote now BUT remember to use your donations to get rid of the crap floating in our party.

Have a great day
:D

Letter to Obama campaign

I am crushed by Senator Obama's unprincipled vote today in suport of the FISA "compromise", which is in effect nothing but an abject capitulation to America's corporatocracy. I recently read with dismay the Senator's weak explanation of his position on this issue in which he diminished the very real constitutional danger of acquiescence to telecom immunity and echoed the right-wing's false alarms regarding the "expiration" of the FISA laws and our nation's ability to protect itself. This man, who once stirred my hopes for our country with his capacity to directly and compellingly discuss complex and controversial issues with the American people, has betrayed his great potential by treating his hopeful constituency as rubes in order to help the Bush administration and its cronies erase their destructive crimes. The Senator's vote today for the FISA bill has cost him my once emphatic support. Perhaps in November I will write in a name like Dennis Kucinich, or maybe Russell Feingold; or maybe I will abstain entirely from voting in this dreary presidential election. In any case, I will not cast my vote for Mr. Obama, who has proven himself to be so untrustworthy on such a growing list of issues. Ken Duerksen Oxford, Ohio

FISA

What a surprise that Obama caved on the FISA bill. Not! Is there any issue that we count on Obama to vote with the Democrats and not the Republicans? If Hillary would have voted for this bill and Obama against, Buzzflash, Obama supporters and all the left wing blogs would have crucified her, called her names, called for violence against her, degraded her. But since it was Obama who caved (again)there is barely a peep. He can be forgiven. As he agrees more and more with the Republicans, Buzzflash and Democrats will soon be praising the Bush years. I think it is hilarious!

Obama votes to cave in to Bush on FISA...Idiot

The real question is why. Was Obama paid off? IS Obama really a republican? His flip flops are whiplash inducers. Hillary voted against this cave in...just as she said she would during the debates. Obama lied in the debates..or should I say flip flopped because he stated many times that he would fight telecom immunity. (In my world that reversal is a lie) Yea, Obama is a piece of work. It is so good that BuzzFlash was so gung ho Obama! And villified Hillary with your derangement syndrome. I guess Buzz must have gotten some Obama money to destroy Hillary. And now we have his reassessment on Iraq. It is funny if not so disgusting. Thanks Buzz

Interesting that Clinton voted "no"

Oh yeah! While everybody is giving Obama what heQQ FISA legislation, and his position on this bill, our favorite political opportunist, voted --- against this bill in the Senate today. Now, I know why it was brought up for a vote before the election. I asked the question. Nobody gave me an explanation. So..... now.... never mind. "Something" could still happen between now and the convention. And the "progressive" circular firing squad, can give themselves a big pat on the back. Geeshhhhh. Be careful what you wish for.

Immunity

The immunity from civil suits protects the shareholder. Why should the working man or woman who invested his retirement in telecom stock be subject to a civil suit for a criminal act he had no knowledge of?

There is no immunity here for criminal acts.. All we need is an administration that will obey the law and investigate and prosecute lawbreaking.

Civil suits would be a waste of time. Corporations are expert at delaying strategies, so the people pursuing civil penalties would run out of money and give it up.

This isn't Faux News

This isn't Faux News. The people here can read and think.

Criminal prosecutions will never happen because Dubya will pardon the perps.

And just in case you're tempted to suggest that Dubya can't pardon people until they're indicted - that would be false. The President can pardon anyone anytime for any reason - whether indicted or impeached or none of the above. That's how Ford pardoned Nixon.

Civil suits against the telcom conspirators are the only way to find out what treason they committed with and for Cheney and Rove.

Democrats surrender (again)

Never in the history of this planet has there been a group of such puffed-up politicos, such capricious cowards, such sorry surrenderers as the undemocratic Democratic Party.

This bill, like the numerous bills to extend the war, need never have come to the floor.

Roll over Nancy. Roll over Harry. Your owner is calling.

Any Chance of It Being Ruled Unconstitutional?

Seeing as the Democratic Congress, including the Democratic Presidential Nominee, have gone tango-uniform on civil liberties....

...and I hope everyone who's slapped me and other Progressives around for criticizing Obama's caving on the FISA bill will remember that McCain made himself scarce today - so he can later beat Obama up for voting against the Bill of Rights and Rule of Law! Just you watch and see if he doesn't do JUST that....

McCain a no vote

At least Obama voted for the Amendments. McCain did not even bother to show up. And yet somehow, the story on the evening news shows will be "Obama deserts his base." Why not "McCain AWOL on FISA"?