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Full Senate debates FISA, Feingold, Dodd, and Leahy standing against telecom immunity

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by Amy Weiss

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) revision reached the floor of the Senate today, as Senators from both sides of the aisle offered their reasons for supporting or rejecting the bill as is. Many of the opponents objected to the retroactive immunity provided for telecommunications companies that conducted warrantless wiretaps at the request of the White House. Senators Russ Feingold (D-WI) and Chris Dodd (D-CT) said earlier this week that they would filibuster the current bill and Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) promised to join them in proposing an amendment to the bill to address this provision.

Sen. Feingold unequivocally said, "The bill is still a very serious mistake."

He feels much of the bill threatens Americans' civil liberties and that the immunity for telecoms gives the president power above the law. The bill says no civil action can be taken:

"... if the Attorney General certifies [...] the assistance alleged to have been provided by the electronic communication service provider was -- in connection with an intelligence activity involving communications that was -- authorized by the President during the period beginning on September 11, 2001, and ending on January 17, 2007; and designed to detect or prevent a terrorist attack, or activities in preparation for a terrorist attack, against the United States ..."

Sen. Leahy, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, reminded his colleagues that many documents acquired from the telecom companies --although classified for the general public-- are available for them to read to gain a better insight. He also reminded them that one telecommunications company refused to participate in the wiretapping and that its refusal should "raise a red flag."

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) echoed his colleagues' concern that the bill as it stands effectively allows the President to be above the law. "The president is not the law," he said, "... the law is the law, the Constitution is the law."

Senators Kit Bond (R-MO), Saxby Chambliss (R-GA), and Orrin Hatch (R-UT) argued strongly for the bill, often invoking "9/11" "Al-Qaeda" and "terrorism" in their defenses. Sen. Chambliss emphasized the importance of protecting American corporations from "frivolous lawsuits."

More or less responding to the argument made by his Republican colleagues, Sen. Dodd emphasized that the issue before Congress is "not a choice between security and liberty."

Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) said that after the Bush administration leaves the White House, Justice Department opinions will become public and "Americans will see how flimsy the legal reasoning is behind warrantless wiretapping."

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) admitted the bill was not perfect and that she would support an amendment but that it was very important to pass the bill quickly so intelligence agencies are not without regulation and so current legislation that she believes does not have as many protections for citizens is not extended.

Reports from Raw Story and CQ Politics indicate that a procedure for voting on a possible amendment to eliminate telecom immunity has not been decided yet and the bill may not come to a vote until after the 4th of July recess.

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Telecom that refused to cooperate

with the Bush wire-tapping crimes: QWEST

Information Please

Can someone please enlighten me as to which telecom refused to participate in the wiretapping? Is this a company that we should be supporting? And boycotting those companies that went along with the illegal activity?

RE: Who refused

I think it was Qwest

It's to be expected that

It's to be expected that hypocrite senators of the Enabling Act Party would pass as many Reichstag Fire Decrees as possible to anoint their little Fuhrer with plenary power. Of course, these same unctuous rouges may be expected to revert to strict constructionists should the Democrats, by some miscalculation, take back the presidency and hold Congress. What is even more disgusting than these Republicans are the appeasement Democrats who are always ringing their hands and bleating on about how their legislative capitulation is necessary to protect America or to protect the troops or to avoid a constitutional crisis that might detract them from their domestic agenda or national security concerns. They said the same things abut the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act and every supplemental war funding bill they've helped pass.

Have any of you...

been to the Mexican border lately? The last of our civil liberties were taken away when the Patriot act passed. This is just one more, not so unique, government intrusion. The privacy ship has sailed. Corporations have been above the law forever. This is nothing new.

Corporate immunity

Russ Feingold consistantly votes for freedom and the Constitution. If we had a couple of dozen more like him, this country would be in much, much better shape. I think he would make a great Vice President.

Obama capitulating on FISA and Retroactive Immunity for Telecoms

I just heard the guy filling in for Mike Malloy postulating that the reason Obama isn't fighting the bill that gives retroactive immunity to the telecoms is because he doesn't want to be hammered for being weak on terrorism. I think that is a load of shit. The reason Obama is capitulating on the FISA bill, is because he is afraid to take on the Corporatocracy. He is afraid to rock the corporate boat. It is a sign of weakness, just like the weakness of Pelosi and company. For the record, I think Reid is against the "compromise" bill because he knows it will pass without his vote and he wants to look strong. He is not fooling anyone. He is a pussy. I caucused for Obama. I was hopeful that he could be the change America needs. I was overly optimistic. If the telecoms get retroactive immunity, this country is irreparably fucked. THIS BILL IS THE LITMUS TEST AS TO JUST HOW FASCISTIC THIS COUNTRY HAS BECOME. IF OBAMA VOTES FOR THIS BILL WHICH GRANTS RETROACTIVE IMMUNITY TO THE TELECOMS FOR THEIR ILLEGAL SPYING, I WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM. I will campaign against him. I knew Hillary was a corporate tool, but I thought Obama wasn't bought yet. If he votes for immunity, he has been bought also. In my opinion, he will be no better than McCain if he lets it through. He should be part of the filibuster. He should do all he can to block this bullshit. And furthermore, stop buying this "War On Terror" bullshit. We all know that the spying, which started before 9/11/01, is about monitoring dissent among Americans. It is not about the bogus war on terror. Obama, My vote and the votes of all the friends that I have influence on, is at stake. Don't fuck yourself. ROBinDALLAS

Democracy Hanging By a Tiny Thread

Our very democracy is hanging by a very thin thread, and only a handful of true Statesmen and Patriots are fighting for it, along with all Patriotic Citizens whose voices go unheard by those elected to protect their interests. Those elected have decided instead of representing those that elected them, they will follow the money trail and spit in our faces. Ladies and Gentlemen, if there ever was a time of taxation without representation - this is it. We have entered the era where men sell their souls for a few pieces of gold, while they perpetuate the illusion of being men of God. I still believe that he who steals my purse steals trash, but he who steals my good name and integrity kills my soul.

Barack, you may be on the verge of a grave error.

We know the Democrats are now divided. The house vote on the Telecom issue, made that clear.
105 Democrats sided with the hard liners in Hoyer's House.

The same group that threw out the Troop withdrawal provisions, and the Iran provision in last springs bills. The same cowardly group -for the most part -that have caused Democrats to lose support for the last 12 years and 6 elections. They took the '06 win and ran it into the sewer.

Now it's the Senate's turn. Reid and Schumer brought back Lieberman -knowing his war votes would destroy the Dems new '06 majority.

Obama, our bold new hero of honesty and accountability can side with the sniveling pandering Reid and Feinstein and Rockefeller and Lieberman or he can fly with the eagles -like Feingold or Dodd or McCaskill.

Barack Obama, THIS is the most important decision you'll ever make before November.

Don't fail us now.

Nationalism is not terrorism. And an adversary is not an enemy.